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My Bok Starting XV versus All Blacks

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sharkbok
sharkbokCaptain23,230 posts
27 Jul 2022, 23:27
#1
27 Jul 2022, 23:27#1

1. Kitshoff.                       Bench - Ox Nche
Kitshoff has been solid off the bench. 

2. Marx  /                        Bench - Bongi          
The best forward in world rugby not starting makes no sense. Is this transformation influencing selection? We need his presence to stop teams from getting an early lead- especially at the breakdown 

3. Malherbe                    Bench - Koch 
Koch on bench or possibly Trevor who can cover both sides of the scrum, to make the bench a 4/3 split with forwards/backs. Although Fat Trevor was a no-show in the matches he started as of late. 

4. Eztebeth

5. Lood                            Bench - Moerat

6. Kolisi

7. Steph DuToit               Bench - Elrigh Louw
Louw played better in his test debut than Evan Roos

8.  Kwagga Smith

We need to start with either Marx or Kwagga on the pitch to be effective at the breakdown. 
                          

9. Jaden Hendrikse          Bench  - Faff

10. Pollard

11. Mapimpi

12.  Delande

13. AM

14. Kurt-Lee Arendse
Possibly Gelant who has pace, and to give him more test experience before the world cup. 

15  Willemse            Bench: Willie Leroux

It is debatable to go for a 4/3 or 5/2 split. Trevor Nyakana has experience on both sides of the scrum, and if he is on the bench it makes it easier to field a 4/3 split.
Although he has not been in form for some time. Bongi has not been in form for some time either.

Vermuelen is still injured. As is Frans Steyn.
Esterhuizen is still out, as is Kolbe (Think both are out of this series with injury). 



MS
Mrs SearlePro1,533 posts
27 Jul 2022, 23:32
#2
27 Jul 2022, 23:32#2

Elstat at 7 and Gelant at 15 and that's more like it. I'd play Ester at 12 and Allende at 13.

PL
PlumCaptain21,007 posts
28 Jul 2022, 08:52
#3
28 Jul 2022, 08:52#3
I’d play DDA as reserve toilet seat warmer. …but to each his own.
MS
Mrs SearlePro1,533 posts
28 Jul 2022, 11:11
#4
28 Jul 2022, 11:11#4
There's always that Plum. Love that comment! XD
SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
28 Jul 2022, 11:14
#5
28 Jul 2022, 11:14#5
Mine would be: 15. Gelant 14. Willemse 13. Am 12. de Allende 11. Mapimpi 10. Pollard 9. Faf 1. Kitshoff 2. Marx 3. Thomas du Toit 4. Etzebeth 5. Lood 6. Kolisi 7. PSDT 8. Roos 16. Mbonambi 17. Ox 18. Malherbe 19. Moerat 20. Kwagga 21. Hendrikse 22. Willie 23. Kriel We should have had Tambwe and Nkosi in the squad to replace Kolbe Arendse is gifted but too small he needs to bulk up like Kolbe did if he is to play test rugby. It’s only a matter of time before we see him get blown away
sharkbok
sharkbokCaptain23,230 posts
28 Jul 2022, 12:36
#6
28 Jul 2022, 12:36#6

Yes, not sure when Nkosi is. He has been a bit injury prone in recent times, although perhaps he is being punished for not having his passport ready f or last years tour. 

MS
Mrs SearlePro1,533 posts
28 Jul 2022, 14:20
#7
28 Jul 2022, 14:20#7

Marx is good. But not the best forward in the world. No Block is. 2016 Marx was closest but he got played out by Bongi. Marc can go off the boil and miss jumpers and have bad hands. Some bad defending.

Nkosi is shit on defence. This quota can't fucking read the field. What good is that? Bad in the air too. 

SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
28 Jul 2022, 15:35
#8
28 Jul 2022, 15:35#8
No one gives a toss what you think clean cunt You are rugby ignorant Look no further than Elstadt at 7
SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
28 Jul 2022, 15:36
#9
28 Jul 2022, 15:36#9
Nkosi is a class act he went missing at the Sharks after he signed with the Bulls He should be in the squad if not injured as should Tambwe
AJ
AJHPro3,183 posts
28 Jul 2022, 16:19
#10
28 Jul 2022, 16:19#10

Got to get the starting colour numbers correct first irrespective of form.....remember.

Hendrikse for Faf for starters.

KI
kingcornPro3,695 posts
28 Jul 2022, 17:06
#11
28 Jul 2022, 17:06#11

I think Sbu Nkosi has been struggling with injury. Agree that Tambwe should have been there. We also have other options like Rhule and Leyeds who all been the top wingers in their respective leagues, but yet no look into them. 

I would love to see the likes of Kitshoff, Marx and Malherbe start as they are way better than the current crop. Ox is good but not as good as Kitshoff. 

But I think it is a ploy by Rassie to get the government KPI numbers up and then let the real players come and try to close out the game. 

However, I don't see any reason why Rassie persist in letting these guys play for 30 or 40 min when you can have Kitshof and Marx play for 70 min. Probably don't trust that Bongi, Ox and Nyakane can close out a game and probably more riskier bringing them on in the second half

AJ
AJHPro3,183 posts
28 Jul 2022, 18:13
#12
28 Jul 2022, 18:13#12

I hope you are not suggesting that the regular starting trio up front are not up to it.

But your point is spot on.

Rhule and company had their shot and are not up to it plus the young guns are eager, talented and aggressive.

Question is what is Elstad for one doing in the squad?


MS
Mrs SearlePro1,533 posts
28 Jul 2022, 18:19
#13
28 Jul 2022, 18:19#13

Elstat is one of the only fucks who can go forward through contact you pussy. You know... the thing Roos the Poes couldn't? Yeah, that stuff. 

sharkbok
sharkbokCaptain23,230 posts
28 Jul 2022, 18:26
#14
28 Jul 2022, 18:26#14

Eldstat has been given many opportunities at test level and has failed every time.

At best he has had 1-2 average games, but usually, he is a passenger. Another brain-dead specimen where test-level rugby is just a step too far. 


MS
Mrs SearlePro1,533 posts
28 Jul 2022, 19:15
#15
28 Jul 2022, 19:15#15

Elstat has always shown great strength Bark. He had one bad defending game in three tackles but not the kind of shit your cunts make. Totally don't know shit about the game Mr Exp ert. 

sharkbok
sharkbokCaptain23,230 posts
28 Jul 2022, 20:19
#16
28 Jul 2022, 20:19#16

Sure Clean Cutt... I bet you wish Ronnie Coleman was playing instead...

MS
Mrs SearlePro1,533 posts
28 Jul 2022, 21:25
#17
28 Jul 2022, 21:25#17

I sure do, and watch you sniveling closet homos drool over him. What a laugh that'll be. You'd be first to wet your knickers. 

SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
28 Jul 2022, 21:28
#18
28 Jul 2022, 21:28#18
Clean cunt talk us through Boshoff at 10
SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
28 Jul 2022, 21:34
#19
28 Jul 2022, 21:34#19
Ox is up there with Kitshoff but I’d give Kitshoff the edge Our best tighthead these days is Thomas du Toit Other wing options are Zas, Green and Senatla
MS
Mrs SearlePro1,533 posts
28 Jul 2022, 22:10
#20
28 Jul 2022, 22:10#20

Saffesex, talk us through Allende... the best centre on the planet. I can only imagine the flops you've picked over the years. You were probably a Watson fan too. And Spies. Both all time great talents... except in reality. 

MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
28 Jul 2022, 22:25
#21
28 Jul 2022, 22:25#21

I see Stepfontein has been quietly left off your many teams Dave….what happened to the lad? I thought he was supposed to be a legend.

SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
28 Jul 2022, 22:45
#22
28 Jul 2022, 22:45#22
Serfontein is 29 now it’s too late - time to invest in some youngsters He should have won many more Bok caps - has been one of the best 12’s over the past 5 years in NH rugby - he is the only Saffa left in the Montpelier side He, Janse v Rensburg and Esterhuizen should have won many more Bok caps
DE
DennyCaptain12,893 posts
29 Jul 2022, 08:49
#23
29 Jul 2022, 08:49#23

......Rhule and Leyeds who all been the top wingers in their respective leagues, but yet no look into them

Is that Raymond Rhule?.......if it is ag nee man he was super kak!

SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
29 Jul 2022, 10:06
#24
29 Jul 2022, 10:06#24
No Denny he has always been pretty handy and is now in the form of his life but I would not bother with him as he is 30ish now so it would be a poor investment
PL
PlumCaptain21,007 posts
29 Jul 2022, 11:03
#25
29 Jul 2022, 11:03#25
Yep, RJVR is the best 12 we’ve had in some time and yet he barely got a look-in.
DB
DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
29 Jul 2022, 16:56
#26
29 Jul 2022, 16:56#26

Borrowed this from a Kiwi on Planet Rugby:

"Yeah. Any other Tier 1 coach and flyhalf and this Bok team would be one of the all-time great rugby sides, that I’ve seen anyway.


I don’t necessarily agree with him, but Bob Dwyer said in 1991 that to win a World Cup you needed:
- 5 x World XV players
- 5 x world class players
- 5 legit international players

It’s very subjective and after a World Cup win it’s easy to argue that individuals from the winning team are top of the world; however one could put forward a case that rhe boks have:

7 players in the world xv:
- Vermuelen
- Marx
- Kitshoff
- Om
- Kolbe
- Etzabeth
- de Lager
- PSdT

At least 5 more world class players
- Koch
- Damian de Allende
- Nyakane
- Kolisi
- Mapimpi

At the very minimum 9 legit (top-end) international players
- Mchunu
- Willie le Roux
- Ox Nche
- Mbonambi
- Mostert
- Coetzee
- Kwagga Smith
- Frans Malherbe
- Faf
- RGS

And this is just my biased anti-Saffer opinion. I might be being harsh and I definitely don’t know all the current players well enough. Thank Christ their coaching is the weak link."
MS
Mrs SearlePro1,533 posts
29 Jul 2022, 18:06
#27
29 Jul 2022, 18:06#27

That kiwi was obviously raised on Yarpie dung. Such horse shit. 

SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
29 Jul 2022, 23:04
#28
29 Jul 2022, 23:04#28
We have sooooo many world class players: Fullbacks: Willie / Gelant / Fassi Wings: / Kolbe / Nkosi / Tambwe / Senatla / Green / Zas / Skosan / Ismiel / Rhule Centres: Am / de Allende / Kriel / Esterhuizen / JVR / Serfontein / Odendaal / Rickus Pretorious / Marius Louw / Vorster / Sango Xamlashe Flyhalves: Pollard / Jantjies / Goosen/ Libbok Scrumhalves: Faf / Reinach / Jantjies / Hendrikse / Papier / v Zyl / vd Bergh / Williams / Zak Burger Props: Malherbe / Nyakane / Wilco Louw / Koch / Thomas du Toit/ Sadie / Kitshoff / Ox / Gerhard Steenkamp / Mchunu / Boan Venter Hookers: Marx / Mbonambi / Aker / Dweba / Grobelaar Locks: Etzebeth / Lood / RG / Jenkins / Ruben Schoeman / Ruben v Heerden / Moerat / Walt Steenkamp Loosies: Kolisi / Kwagga / Buthelezi / PSDT / JL du Preez/ Kobus Wiese / Liebenberg / Tsituka / Ackerman / Jacques du Plessis / Elrigh Louw / Dan du Preez/ Jaco Coetzee / Roos / Notshe / Vermeulen/ Wiese
MS
Mrs SearlePro1,533 posts
29 Jul 2022, 23:42
#29
29 Jul 2022, 23:42#29

FACTS

Fullbacks:

Willie / Gelant / Fassi

Wings:

/ Kolbe / Nkosi / Tambwe / Senatla / Green / Zas / Skosan (MAYBE) / Ismiel / Rhule

Centres:

Am / de Allende / Kriel / Esterhuizen / JVR / Serfontein / Odendaal / Rickus Pretorious / Marius Louw / Vorster / Sango Xamlashe

Flyhalves:

Pollard / Jantjies / Goosen/ Libbok

Scrumhalves:

Faf / Reinach / Jantjies / Hendrikse / Papier / v Zyl / vd Bergh / Williams / Zak Burger

Props:

Malherbe / Nyakane / Wilco Louw / Koch / Thomas du Toit/ Sadie / Kitshoff / Ox / Gerhard Steenkamp / Mchunu / Boan Venter

Hookers:

Marx / Mbonambi / Aker / Dweba / Grobelaar

Locks:

Etzebeth / Lood / RG / Jenkins / Ruben Schoeman / Ruben v Heerden / Moerat / Walt Steenkamp

Loosies:

Kolisi / Kwagga / Buthelezi / PSDT / JL du Preez/ Kobus Wiese / Liebenberg / Tsituka / Ackerman / Jacques du Plessis / Elrigh Louw / Dan du Preez (MAYBE)/ Jaco Coetzee / Roos / Notshe (FUCKING SERIOUSLY?) / Vermeulen/ Wiese

SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
30 Jul 2022, 14:05
#30
30 Jul 2022, 14:05#30
Fuck off you ignorant cunt
sharkbok
sharkbokCaptain23,230 posts
30 Jul 2022, 14:18
#31
30 Jul 2022, 14:18#31

Sure CleanCutt

Skosan is better than Kolbe, the highest-paid winger in world rugby...

Jantjies is better than Pollard....

MS
Mrs SearlePro1,533 posts
30 Jul 2022, 14:59
#32
30 Jul 2022, 14:59#32

Kolbe is the most overrated faggot in world rugby. The. Fuck can defend, dances behind the gain line, concedes ball, is shit in the air and goes massively off the boil. Give me Nkosi instead. But a useless fucks like you doesn't know enough about the game to see that. You go to your little wiki articles to pick up buzzwords. You're a fucking loser and nobody likes the taste of your dick quite like you. So choke yourself on it you fucking ass muncher. 

sharkbok
sharkbokCaptain23,230 posts
30 Jul 2022, 15:09
#33
30 Jul 2022, 15:09#33

A great contribution CleanCutt...

Somehow you know more about rugby than the best coaches in world rugby. 

I once thought Kolbe might have been too small for test rugby, but I was proven wrong.
At least I am smart enough or honest enough to realise I am not an expert in rugby- especially when compared to someone like Rassie etc. 



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Nice to know that your post is displayed on the Ruckersforum Twitter account, which would push away any civilised person from being a member...

SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
30 Jul 2022, 15:16
#34
30 Jul 2022, 15:16#34
Coming from the dumb fuck who wants Elstadt at 7 and Boshoff at 10 Say no more
MS
Mrs SearlePro1,533 posts
30 Jul 2022, 15:49
#35
30 Jul 2022, 15:49#35

Who the fuck is Bishoff you dildo jockey? And yeah... Estat was super physical. Knocked several Wallies on their arse. 

SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
30 Jul 2022, 16:05
#36
30 Jul 2022, 16:05#36
Your favourite 10 you stupid cunt
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