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My concern for the future

Started by Saffolk 13 REPLIES996 VIEWS· 11 Feb 2023, 02:15
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11 Feb 2023, 02:15
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11 Feb 2023, 02:15#1
I think we have had a great pool of players that broke onto the scene a decade ago and that group is now hitting their 30’s and their time is coming to an end. It’s a great group of players: Willie Mapimpi / Kolbe Am / de Allende / Jessie Kriel / Esterhuizen / JVR / Serfontein Pollard / Jantjies / Goosen Faf / Reinach Kitshoff / Malherbe / Nyakane / Koch Marx / Mbonambi Etzebeth / Lood / Mostert Kolisi / PSDT / Vermeulen The players behind this group are not under 25 which is a concern. The likes of: Gelant Arendse / Nkosi Ox / Thomas du Toit / Wilco Louw Dweba Jason Jenkins / RG Snyman Kwagga / Wiese / du Preez twins We don’t seem to have a group of players coming through that are a match for the class of Eben and co which is a concern There are some class youngsters about but we have only a handful that have been given a taste of tests like: Fassi/ Moodie / Willemse / Libbok / Hendrikse / Elrigh Louw and Roos Post the WC we need to get far more youngsters involved in the equation in preparation for the exit of the class of Eben etc What’s sad is that the next group like Gelant, Arendse, Nkosi, Ox, Dweba, Wilco, Thomas, Jenkins, RG Snyman, Kwagga, du Preez twins and Wiese are 27 plus and it’s almost too late for them
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11 Feb 2023, 11:36
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11 Feb 2023, 11:36#2

Biggest concern is replacing Eben...almost a once in a lifetime talent...but that's what the said about Bakkies and Victor....

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11 Feb 2023, 14:10
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11 Feb 2023, 14:10#3

Our players are becoming dumber with each generation. Our only hope is that test rugby continues to decline, so we may look somewhat passable. Passivity is a distinctive trait of the new generation of South Africans. 

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11 Feb 2023, 18:06
#4
11 Feb 2023, 18:06#4
Not Roos though! That bra jus wanna rol! lol
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11 Feb 2023, 22:08
#5
11 Feb 2023, 22:08#5
Draad remember the name JF v Heerden
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11 Feb 2023, 22:27
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11 Feb 2023, 22:27#6

Ja, I wrote a thread on here at the end of last year stating that we need to only play U/23 s in the SA A team and put the team together in a similar way in which Ireland came to SA with their emerging team to play against the cheetahs. If you look at that emerging Irish team it was all the fringe youngsters that came along. 

As per usual Rassie fucked it up, gave it to a quota a coach full of quota players with most of those players not being test quality.

These players thought they were going to be coached by Rassie but the he ran away to help Nienaber

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11 Feb 2023, 23:12
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11 Feb 2023, 23:12#7
The younger backline depth looks pretty solid, but not less so with the forwards.

Perhaps a bigger concern is SARFU and the ANC landscape than the talent.

Fortunately, Rassie has signed on to continue the job, I was thinking that Stick was going to be made head coach. 
No issue with a black coach, but they need to coach local teams to tournament victories like in the URC, before being considered for higher honours. 



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12 Feb 2023, 00:47
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12 Feb 2023, 00:47#8

We have more speed than we've ever had before, but we have very few distributors and even fewer playmakers. 

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12 Feb 2023, 03:16
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12 Feb 2023, 03:16#9
Saf I hear your concern but I’m not too worried. We still have quite a few players in the current squad who have a good 4 to 5 years left. Then the next crop of schoolboy talent looks really good. I’m not that great at remembering all their names but there are a few from the Paarl schools, Grey and Monnas who I’ve been watching. The pool looks good. I’m more concerned with our coaching continuity. Who is next? I don’t see any local coaching talent worthy of taking over once Nienaber leaves. Maybe Dobson? I’d prefer looking abroad to be honest.
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12 Feb 2023, 13:25
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12 Feb 2023, 13:25#10

Ex Doos, utter nonsense. The passing in URC by South African teams is consistently the best it has ever been. 
SA teams are scoring more backline tries than ever before.   

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12 Feb 2023, 14:32
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12 Feb 2023, 14:32#11

I'd like to see the data on that, but when we see these players at test level, these skills are never evident. The question is, what is the difference in standard or style of rugby between test rugby and the URC? Something does not add up here. The skills of the South African players I have seen today are not very good. They are soft, passive, and unable to breakdown an organized defence. They are thoughtless open-field runners. That's all that has been on display. If it doesn't translate to test rugby, then it is irrelevant. 

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12 Feb 2023, 14:40
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12 Feb 2023, 14:40#12
In SuperRugby, many of our teams relied on the forwards to score tries - mostly from driving mauls. 
You don't have to even look at stats, but just watch the URC/SuperRugby games to make this basic observation. 
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12 Feb 2023, 14:50
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12 Feb 2023, 14:50#13

This isn't actually true of Super Rugby. Why are these skills not transferring to test rugby? Where are these outstanding playmakers and distributors? Our halfbacks have the worst fundamentals across the board of all the years I have been following South African rugby. Where are the great centres? Where are the quality fullbacks? Who is going to replace Willie? Where is the replacement for Pollard? Who can stand in for Am? Nobody. I don't believe the quality of the URC is comparable to prime Super Rugby, or even years after that prime. 

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13 Feb 2023, 12:37
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13 Feb 2023, 12:37#14
Our players are better and more skilled than they have ever been It’s time to start identifying the next group of under 25’s to take us forward Fassi David Kriel Moodie Green Davids Tambwe Pienaar Penxe Strevino Jacobs Henco v Wyk Xamlashe Sebastian de Klerk Marnus Potgieter Rickus Pretorious Jurenzo Julius James Mollentz Willemse Similane Bruce Sherwood Libbok Boeta Chamberlain Hendrikse Sacha Nohamba vd Bergh Williams Hendrikse Burger Gerhard Steenkamp Mchunu Matanzima Sadie Boan Venter Jacobs Klopper Sandi Wessels Hugo Venter Grobelaar JJ Kotze Ruben v Heerden Moerat vd Mecht Nortje Vermaak Andre Smith Swanepoel Miller JF v Heerden Evans Kitete Jason-Dixon Emile v Heerden Buthelezi Elrigh Louw Roos Kobus Wiese Dayimani Augustus James Venter Tsituka x 2 Ruan Venter Xaba A team from this list: 15. Fassi 14. Moodie 13. Xamlashe 12. Willemse 11. Tambwe 10. Libbok 9. Hendrikse 1. Steenkamp 2. Grobelaar 3. Sadie 4. Moerat 5. Ruben v Heerden 6. Buthelezi 7. Elrigh Louw 8. Roos 16. Hugo-Venter 17. Boan Venter 18. Klopper 19. Vermaak 20. Tsituka 21. Nohamba 22. Chamberlain 23. Henco v Wyk
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