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My side to face the Pumas

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
01 Aug 2019, 03:59
#41
01 Aug 2019, 03:59#41

What a total load of BS?   Matfield in the WC 2015 was a total disaster.   Partly to blame  for the Japan disaster- was useless against Samoa until he walked off the field claiming an injury (for which he was not treated on the field) - a disaster in the semi-final and that summed it up.  Play on the bronze play off against the Argentina "B" team and was no the best forward at all - Malherbe made more tackles than him and his carries was better.   So donate him the MOM for the game as a consolation prize.  

That is Mozart grabbing at straws - typical him who claims that duds are better players than real performers and give a player a 7 rating for doing as near to zero as possible,  

LMAO .             .  

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
01 Aug 2019, 06:29
#42
01 Aug 2019, 06:29#42
Chew on a bit of reality, the Daily Mail WC player ratings: Bismarck du Plessis 6 Missed talisman Victor Matfield in the first-half as line-out struggled to fire, only hitting 75 per cent of his throws. Frans Malherbe 8 Justified his continued selection over Jannie du Plessis with a scrum penalty, adding his weight to the effective driving maul. Eben Etzebeth 8 Topped the tackle count for the majority of the game and played a prominent role in the choke tackle strategy. Lood de Jager 6 Brushed off by Jerome Kaino for New Zealand’s sixth minute try – not what you expect from an 18st13lb lock. Francois Louw 8 Kept his side ahead during the first half with magnificent breakdown work and did his fair share of work in defence' ........ 'Missed talisman Victor Matfield'....'Brushed off by Jerome Kaino'....hahaha.
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
01 Aug 2019, 07:30
#43
01 Aug 2019, 07:30#43

Duplication  



    

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
01 Aug 2019, 07:30
#44
01 Aug 2019, 07:30#44

No Matfield in the semi should  have had a 3 - he was totally useless when he came on - utjumped totally in the first line-out and the penalty turnaround, as well as near to zero for ball carries and defense.

In the bronze play-offs that got you all agog about a ailure in the series as a whole the stats were as follows:-

Matfield 0/0 0 0/3/5 23 0 0 0 0 16/1 5/0 0 0Malherbe 0/0 0 0/0/3 21 1 1 0 1 17/1 0/0 1 0/0

Matfield made LESS tackles than Malherbe did - average 4,6 meters per carry and beat no defenders.  Malherbe  averaged 7 meters per carry and made a clean break as well as beating a defender.  Matfield also gave away 1 penalty.  Etzebeth also had better stats than Matfield,   MOM - nice farewell gift to Matfield - nothing else.  

Matfield's WC 2015  - total failure.  Should not have been in the squad/  His total playing time in the tournament not even half of what was required,   



    

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AugenöffnerPro6,974 posts
02 Aug 2019, 02:40
#45
02 Aug 2019, 02:40#45

Not a good way to compare players, players in different positions, with different roles. 

Victor was the success of the 2015 WC. Lood was the failure. 

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
02 Aug 2019, 02:45
#46
02 Aug 2019, 02:45#46

So idiot speak remains - Matfield played in less than 40% of the game time and was a serious flop in all but the Bronze game against the Argentinian "B" team and was a "success" in the WC.  LMAO  .   

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AugenöffnerPro6,974 posts
02 Aug 2019, 03:41
#47
02 Aug 2019, 03:41#47

"A serious flop"

When and where, doing what ? 

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
02 Aug 2019, 04:23
#48
02 Aug 2019, 04:23#48

Critical part of the Japan disaster - where he failed to carry out what Meyer claimed was hos "game plan" - did squat in the time he played in the Saoma tests bnefore alking off claiming an injury.   Then did not play in the Scotland and USA test and buggered up royally in the semi.  Facts and that s ums up Matfield's performance or rather nonperformance.  Would have gotten 1/10 for the semi and 3/10 for all matches he played in until the bronze game.            

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moolaaPro2,380 posts
02 Aug 2019, 04:48
#49
02 Aug 2019, 04:48#49

Apart from you Moz, who the hell would ever remember who the Man of the match was in a dead rubber third place play-off??

This beggars belief.....

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
02 Aug 2019, 05:40
#50
02 Aug 2019, 05:40#50
Moola I can't remember most guy's names 10 seconds after shaking their hands.....but I can reproduce Don Clark, Jardine, Grey, Lineen, Tremain, Horsely, Jones from memory. Oddly I'm struggling to remember the captain and prop who battled a bit against Stephanie's grandfather.
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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
02 Aug 2019, 05:50
#51
02 Aug 2019, 05:50#51
Okay Liar Mike....Matfield was a disaster against Japan: V MatfieldL 0 10 0 0 Ten tackles made/ none missed/no turnovers. V MatfieldL 0 6 8 17 1 0 2 0 Eight runs/6 passes/2 offloads/ one clean break......and of course no turnovers. ...... A classical Matfield performance, intelligent distribution, clinical defence.....complete ball security and under his leadership, 15 out of 15 lineouts secured.
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
02 Aug 2019, 06:56
#52
02 Aug 2019, 06:56#52

No Mozart

Why not quote the classic Matfield performance in the WC semi.  Fact is that it was widely reported that Matfield by ignoring the  Meyer game plan for the match caused the loss against Japan.   

Selective stats won't help at all,   Moolaa is right anyway an MOM  against the Argentina "B" team is a joke.LMAO   

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AugenöffnerPro6,974 posts
02 Aug 2019, 11:16
#53
02 Aug 2019, 11:16#53

Here you go big boy, go fish...


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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
02 Aug 2019, 11:26
#54
02 Aug 2019, 11:26#54

The above Japan game was a hell of a poor game by Meyer's rugby geriatrics - end of story, . 

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AugenöffnerPro6,974 posts
02 Aug 2019, 11:36
#55
02 Aug 2019, 11:36#55

Well, it's all there. Why don't you tell us where these "critical parts of the Japan disaster" are? We can all see for ourselves and it will finally be done and dusted. Couldn't be easier. Even for you. 

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
02 Aug 2019, 11:50
#56
02 Aug 2019, 11:50#56

No Idiot Speaker

The constnt knock-ons by Burger, the under-utilizing of the forwards, the constant Bismarck penalties and the crazy game plan will not be reflected in a video clip.   Try again.      

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AugenöffnerPro6,974 posts
02 Aug 2019, 11:58
#57
02 Aug 2019, 11:58#57

The forwards were under-utilized, yet you claim Burger played flyhalf and the Boks played 1980's Bulle ball. 

"the crazy game plan will not be reflected in a video clip"

You've just burried yourself under Mt.Ei 


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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
02 Aug 2019, 12:09
#58
02 Aug 2019, 12:09#58

No Burger knocked on ball after ball passed to him by Pienaar instead of to the flyhalf.  That stupid is not what Meyer wanted - he wanted the Tight 5 to make the Boks overpower the Japanese and they did not, 

In essence through the four years I never saw a game where there in fact was a constructive  game plan.   By 2015 what happened that the ball was in the main  passed back to the forwards and was a constant.   Totally repetitive and predictable, therefore countered with ease by opponents,    

I am always amazed when you write about a game plan - no chance of there being a visible one at all under Meyer. .  .        

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
02 Aug 2019, 12:09
#59
02 Aug 2019, 12:09#59

Duplication

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AugenöffnerPro6,974 posts
02 Aug 2019, 12:19
#60
02 Aug 2019, 12:19#60

What you are referring to as ball being passed back to the forwards constantly is the basic shape of the 9 passing to a pod of forwards with a playmaking back in-behind. This is a very, very common shape you'll see under Rassie. Post ELV rugby revolves around screens, as the defence has too much time to see what is in front of it. Not only do they have screens, but they have inter-locking units across the field. There can be a 3 man forward pod with a back in behind, beside or even amongst - the case of a box formation, the pocket runner usually being the bottom corner furthest away from the ruck, which Damian has been used in. Take a snapshot of each phase, highlight the various groupings and make a note of what Rassie has them do. You'll see some recurring plays and personnel groupings. This is where you'll learn how the Boks really play. Not from a stats sheet. 

I said it once, and I'll say it again: You do not understand how the game is played and you do not know how any team has played under any coach. 

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
02 Aug 2019, 12:30
#61
02 Aug 2019, 12:30#61

The difference is that under Erasmus the forwards linked up with backline players in attacking play - virtually never happened never happened under Meyer.  And Meyer's m,ain roblem is that Steyn was never a flyhalf - rather a kicking dummy - and dismally directed nd aimless kicks being the norm.

It is amazing the difference between what you describe and what the panel of the Breakdown program - all previous top AB players said about how major the change in rugby performance and a constructive game plan of Meyer benefitted the Springbok team - none of the negative BS you spout on site.   Must we believe you and not  real expert players/           

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AugenöffnerPro6,974 posts
02 Aug 2019, 12:42
#62
02 Aug 2019, 12:42#62

Actually, you are wrong again. Here's a play the Boks ran against Australia in 2015: 


This was in the 39th minute. The Boks recovered a loose ball off a restart through Eben. They were so well organised and drilled that they immediately found their shape to execute this play on the very next phase after that won turnover. 

They line up with two lines of attack comprising S3-S15-S8 in the front line, and S10-S13-S12 in the second line. These two attacking lines sit beneath S4 who is at first receiver as a decoy and screen. S9 passes behind S4 to S15, S15 passes behind S8 to S12. S13 is quickly in support on his inside as a cleaner. S10 positions himself for the next phase on the return to the right. 

There are many examples of this. In the same game, they ran a box formation with 10 and 12 beneath 8 and 1. Damian was the pocket runner. There are countless examples of forwards linking up with the backs in sequenced phases of play. Recall Bismarck's try against Wales in 2013? That after Morné set Habana free outside the edge of the defence, Jean ran in support and Bissie finished the move off. You are either too dishonest or too sloppy to learn from all these hundreds of hours of game footage. 

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
02 Aug 2019, 12:48
#63
02 Aug 2019, 12:48#63

And who was critical in executing the plan - De Allende and Kriel, without any sign of Morne.  That was before their skills were coached out of them by Meyer.  One incident does not wipe out three seasons of unadulterated BS.      

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AugenöffnerPro6,974 posts
02 Aug 2019, 12:51
#64
02 Aug 2019, 12:51#64

Damian and Kriel never had any skills. In fact, Damian's best rugby was under Meyer. He improved, tightening up his game during his time with Meyer in 2015. His worst rugby of his senior career was his 2014 and 2015 super rugby campaigns. So, you are wrong again. 

Interesting how you now credit this game planning entirely to Kriel and Damian. The latter being our least intelligent player. You are on the ropes again, how much longer can you hang on? 


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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
02 Aug 2019, 14:18
#65
02 Aug 2019, 14:18#65
Back to Victor. Just look at your logic Tokkie......you say Matfield was a 'critical part of the Japanese disaster'. So I provide the following stats: V MatfieldL 0 10 0 0 Ten tackles made/ none missed/no turnovers. V MatfieldL 0 6 8 17 1 0 2 0 Eight runs/6 passes/2 offloads/ one clean break......and of course no turnovers. And you then say "selective stats wont help'. They are selective stats, they were selected to address the point you made! Perhaps these stats against Japan would please you more: P ToitFL 1 4 0 0 ToitFL 0 0 7 10 0 2 0 0 Du Toit a total of 4 tackles.....he makes 10 metres, in the course of which he loses the ball once. And never passes or offloads, the ball dieswith him. I think we have finally discovered who among our forwards caused the Japanese calamity ......Stephanie! Thanks for continuing to harp on this subject Mike.....we have our truth.
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AugenöffnerPro6,974 posts
02 Aug 2019, 14:23
#66
02 Aug 2019, 14:23#66

It's very unfortunate that the players he attacks most in that WC turn up for all the right reasons with the highest production. The players the plastics backed the most let the side down. Where was Steph, at 7 against Japan? Nowhere. Where was Lood when we really needed him? Likewise Kriel, Damian, Malherbe et al? 

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
02 Aug 2019, 14:52
#67
02 Aug 2019, 14:52#67

Listen dimness your mind sin totally warped.  De Allende and Malherbe never played in the Japamn disaster test.  Du Toit never for three years played at 7 and as you should nknow by now Meyer regarded the 7 as a Tight 5 replacement for Matfield - who was outside of line-outs hopeless as a Tight 5 player.  

Lood made 14 tackles missing 2 in the semi in 50 minutes - Matfield made 3 tackles in 20 minutes - so where was he?

No dimness -- now you are onto  Mostert.  if there was one problem on Saturday in the AB game it was at line-outs and the  main problem was the physically deficient Mostert.    No - time to start understanding the game and not spout rubbish the way you d at present,

It is always a real pleasure reading the BS Mozart, Pakie and you come up with - if you state something about player performances take the directly  opposite view and you will be arriving at the true situation.         

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
02 Aug 2019, 16:07
#68
02 Aug 2019, 16:07#68
Du Toit......the real Japanese flop, along with Kriel and little Pat Lambie.
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
02 Aug 2019, 17:13
#69
02 Aug 2019, 17:13#69

Kak story again - are you not ashamed of yourself? 

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AugenöffnerPro6,974 posts
02 Aug 2019, 18:02
#70
02 Aug 2019, 18:02#70

Hey, you leave Mauling Mostert the Great our of this Lügnerin! The Swan Princess tends to take flight when the proverbial hits the fan. 

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
02 Aug 2019, 18:42
#71
02 Aug 2019, 18:42#71

No - the main Springbok game on Saturday was in the line outs caused in the main that the AB's targeted the physically deficient Mostert and  out him under pressure,  As long as he is around the driving mauls will never work - as was the case in 2018 already,   Nice player - but he is not up to standard in the Tight 5,   Unfortunately when he was tried out at 7 he failed to make the grade.

   

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AugenöffnerPro6,974 posts
02 Aug 2019, 18:47
#72
02 Aug 2019, 18:47#72

There has never been a maul problem with Mauling Mostert, it's all in the name Lügnerin. You really must read more carefully. No need to thank me, always willing to lend a helping hand for those in need. 


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