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My side to play Oz

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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
01 Sept 2021, 09:17
#1
01 Sept 2021, 09:17#1
15. Willie 14. Kolbe 13. Am 12. de Allende 11. Mapimpi 10. Pollard 9. Faf 1. Kitshoff 2. Marx 3. Wilco Louw 4. Etzebeth 5. Lood 6. Kolisi 7. JL du Preez 8. Vermeulen 16. Mbonambi 17. Ox Nche 18. Malherbe 19. Mostert 20. Dan du Preez 21. Jantjies 22. Willemse 23. Jessie Kriel
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DennyCaptain12,893 posts
01 Sept 2021, 12:15
#2
01 Sept 2021, 12:15#2

Four games over four weeks, tough ask.

sharkbok
sharkbokCaptain23,232 posts
01 Sept 2021, 13:55
#3
01 Sept 2021, 13:55#3
I saw the other creatine twin got a run in the second test against Argentina, and he was totally one dimensional.

Jasper Wiese's performance before being substituted was far superior, which suggests to me the twins are not international standard. 
The twins have had much more chances than Wiese, and have never delivered a performance anything close to what Wiese done in the first Argie test, or even in the 2nd. 
SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
01 Sept 2021, 16:55
#4
01 Sept 2021, 16:55#4
Shark shut up you ignorant fool. Dan did exactly the same as Wiese when he came on. Was strong in traffic and put in some good hits Given how fucking useless you are when it comes to rugby please explain to us what made Dan’s performance one dimensional vs what Wiese did I can’t wait for this
sharkbok
sharkbokCaptain23,232 posts
01 Sept 2021, 17:19
#5
01 Sept 2021, 17:19#5

Wiese's man-of-the-match performance was better than having 2 creatine twins on the pitch. 
Neither of them has ever come close to a man of the match performance for the Boks, despite playing many more games.

In the 2nd Argie test, Dan looked for the first brick wall to run into and gained no metres or added momentum.  He just died with the ball each time. 
He was nowhere on the high ball, and the Argies started to use the up and under to get into the game more later in the 2nd half. 

SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
01 Sept 2021, 22:23
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01 Sept 2021, 22:23#6
You are speaking utter shit, neither of the du Preez twins have had more test time than Wiese you ignorant fool What exactly does Wiese do when he runs - he runs straight into traffic you idiot. He gained no more metres than Dan in contact You are speaking utter shit and know fuck all about rugby Wiese has improved against an average Argie side - he was useless against Lions I’ve seen both Wiese and the du Preez twins playing in the UK and the du Preez twins have been far better than Wiese But you are too fucking stupid to comprehend the facts or evidence to us how Wiese is any different to Dan apart from getting far more opportunities recently to make an impression. He looked utterly out of his depth against the Lions - it’s a good thing we have Vermeulen back for NZ as NZ would expose Wiese as the Lions did
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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
01 Sept 2021, 22:32
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01 Sept 2021, 22:32#7
Here we are you idiot But according to your stupidity one was one dimensional the other not in the same game 8 Jasper Wiese The No.8 failed to emulate last weekend’s man of the match performance nonetheless he put in another noteworthy shift. He made 11 carries and 37 metres while his defence was just as solid making six tackles. Unfortunately, he was a little overzealous on a couple of occasions and conceded a crucial penalty which led to Argentina’s first points of the match. 6/10 21 Dan du Preez (on for Wiese, 50th) The flank made the most of his cameo, making five carries, 11 metres and seven tackles 6/10
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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
01 Sept 2021, 23:34
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01 Sept 2021, 23:34#8

Well the argument is moot. With Vermeulen back that ball carrier base is covered and the estimable Mostert will be the flank.

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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
01 Sept 2021, 23:41
#9
01 Sept 2021, 23:41#9
It’s great Vermeulen is back but a big shame Mostert is at flank as he has been useless there The odd line out take and low tackle - hardly what you require of your test blindside
sharkbok
sharkbokCaptain23,232 posts
02 Sept 2021, 01:14
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02 Sept 2021, 01:14#10

When both Marx and Vermeulen are on the pitch having good games at the ruck, the Boks become invincible.
Turnovers, slowing opposition ball, and cleaning up the ruck on Bok possession to get quick clean ball from the pack to run onto a pace. 

MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
02 Sept 2021, 04:53
#11
02 Sept 2021, 04:53#11

Harrassmus won’t agree with you Dave…..I’ll give him this much, he won’t select a Deysel twin ahead of the guy who led the goal line stand in the WC final.

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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
02 Sept 2021, 10:04
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02 Sept 2021, 10:04#12
The same guy who missed two tackles in that goal line stand? He is just not physical enough for a test 7 or lock and it’s his own fault for never spending quality time in the gym There is nothing to him - small frame no muscle definition or bulk and it’s telling in contact All heart and energy with little physical productivity
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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
02 Sept 2021, 13:12
#13
02 Sept 2021, 13:12#13

Jasper Wiese for Dan. Will take a good look at Wilco as I am uncertain about him. Otherwise the team is about right.

Great Pity about Snyman! 

KI
kingcornPro3,695 posts
02 Sept 2021, 13:16
#14
02 Sept 2021, 13:16#14

Good pick, but expect to see more dark brothers in the front row from Nienaaibaar. 

So probably going to see 3 black players starting in the front row, you know that word starting with a Q. Not that they are, but I absolutely agree with your front row.  

So only 3 dark brothers and 1 with almost the right shade. 

Nie will select Ox, Bongi, Trevor as his starting front row. 

Throw in Marvelous Orie too and you've met your governmental targets 

SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
02 Sept 2021, 14:06
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02 Sept 2021, 14:06#15
There is no way Orie will feature - he is too fucking useless Unbelievable insult that he has a few test caps
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DennyCaptain12,893 posts
03 Sept 2021, 02:44
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03 Sept 2021, 02:44#16

Good side, pretty much close to the best but why have the Matchstick on the bench, he's just a waste of resource, why not Van Staden or Weise? I'm also not sure whether it's a good idea to play Vermeulen the full 80 minutes and considering he's been absent for a bit perhaps it's better to start him off the bench?

Oh, BTW, I believe that other twakkie Albert van der Berg is making a comeback.....no I'm not joking, apparently he's signed for the Lions


CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
03 Sept 2021, 07:56
#17
03 Sept 2021, 07:56#17

I think there will only be two players on the bench because they need a cover for Vermeulen playing his first game for many months. 

15. Willie

14. Kolbe

13. Am

12. de Allende

11. Mapimpi

10. Pollard

9. Faf

1. Kitshoff

2.  Mbonambi

3. Malhrbe

4   Etzebeth 

5. Lood

6. Kolisi

7. JL du Preez

8. Vermeulen

16. Marx 17. Ox Nche 18. Koch  19.  Van Rensburg  20  Mostert, 21 Wiese  22  Reinach  23. Willemse

I would not have Mostert in the team at all - he is a real liability - but Snyman is not available.  I have to laugh about Mozart's distortion about Mostert's contribution in the WC final - he was neutral to negative in that game and there is a reason why he was not in the starting line-up in the WC after constant  non-existing open-field tackle ability.    

I believe that the reason for playing Marx  from the bench is that he strengthen the scrumming, especially since the replacem ent props are not up to the standard set by the starttng props.           

sharkbok
sharkbokCaptain23,232 posts
03 Sept 2021, 10:26
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03 Sept 2021, 10:26#18

I would rather start with Ox Nche at 1 as Kitshoff has not hit top form yet, and Nche has probably been better. 
I would prefer Marx at 2, because Bongi's throws in's have been terrible this year, and makes it harder for the Boks rolling maul to get started from the lineouts. 

Also Boks need ot use Vermuelen and Marx in tandem to dominate the rucks. 

KI
kingcornPro3,695 posts
03 Sept 2021, 11:39
#19
03 Sept 2021, 11:39#19

Imagine if we can have Marx, Vermeulen and Van Staden on the park together. How much ball we can win and get our outside back to counter attack. 


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DennyCaptain12,893 posts
03 Sept 2021, 11:59
#20
03 Sept 2021, 11:59#20

Van Staden is work in progress I think there could be a bit more in the making, he could for ins tance be a solid ball carrier.


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AugenöffnerPro6,974 posts
03 Sept 2021, 17:52
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03 Sept 2021, 17:52#21

We'll be playing on very fast surfaces, we need mobility. If you can keep Lood in the middle of the field, with good support either side of him he is mostly okay. No more than okay. And that's against opponents that right right at him. The Wallabies more than the All Blacks will attack spaces and pull defenders out of position. Dynamism but without compromising skill.

  1. Kitshoff
  2. Marx
  3. Louw
  4. Etzebeth (c)
  5. van Rensburg
  6. Smith
  7. D du Preez
  8. Wiese
  9. Reinach
  10. Pollard
  11. Mapimpi
  12. Steyn
  13. Am
  14. Kolbe
  15. Willie
That's a team to get the job done without resorting to and hoping on knock-ons from high balls. 

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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
03 Sept 2021, 23:55
#22
03 Sept 2021, 23:55#22
Omelette your team smacks of ignorance Shock shock
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AugenöffnerPro6,974 posts
04 Sept 2021, 01:11
#23
04 Sept 2021, 01:11#23
My selections better yours. I have removed proven liabilities for players who have produced tangible results. Our only good midfield play this year involved Frans. The locks are both strong and mobile, as well as skilled enough for the brand of rugby that would evolve the team's current archaic model. van Rensburg (JVR) is very physical and athletic. His impact was obvious as it was immediate. He comprehensively outclassed Lood (who does not win the physical battle and is very short of athletic ability or any kind of skill). The loose trio is aggressive and physical. We haven't fielded a loose trio of that quality in nearly ten years. All of them can link up in play and expand our dour repertoire in the pods. Good skills there and they can attack the breakdown viciously and accurately. To play modern rugby, not the skilless mess that we have now, we need players who can think, who have skill and field awareness, as well as the hunger to impose themselves. 
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
04 Sept 2021, 01:56
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04 Sept 2021, 01:56#24

Kindergarten Imbecile .   It is boring reading all your gibberish on site.   You obviously do not know what youa re talking about when referring to center play.    He polaye in the WC series at center against one team and was at best average against poor teams.   In that game De Allende was at 13  and was the best SA player on the field by some distance.  In all the key WC tests Steyn was  on the bench and never used as center when he came to play for a few minutes in games.     That only happen when the tests were already won.   

Subsequently Steyn played at  center  in one game and was also not a star at work.    For the rest dream on - you are totally deluded anyway.  

.     

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AugenöffnerPro6,974 posts
04 Sept 2021, 02:30
#25
04 Sept 2021, 02:30#25

Really? Frans made 49m in 10 carries and Dud 14m. it happened to be the game where 60%+ of our attacking output for the tournament was accumulated. Now, was it that our attack was good because Frans was at 12, or just a coincidence? You are too easy. If anything is a bore, it's me having to establish basic facts for the guppies here when there is the potential for more nourishing debate. I post the information to increase the knowledge base of the forum so we can have a richer discussion, and the likes of you drag it back down to pre-school level. Congratulations. Like typical plastiks, you don't even have a sense of humour. 

QS
Queensland SupporterClub Pro115 posts
06 Sept 2021, 09:25
#26
06 Sept 2021, 09:25#26

When both Marx and Vermeulen are on the pitch having good games at the ruck, the Boks become invincible.

I think there is only two occasions that the South Africans are invincible.

In your mind and if they were ever called upon to play against you.

BO
bobbok...Captain10,129 posts
06 Sept 2021, 09:55
#27
06 Sept 2021, 09:55#27

Canetoad  .......... don't forget to exhale

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