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Neinaber sends video clip re scrums

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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
17 Sept 2021, 00:10
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17 Sept 2021, 00:10#1
Nienaber says Boks sent ‘clips’ to World Rugby on scrum penalties from Wallaby Test CAPE TOWN – The Springboks have made another video to address some debatable refereeing decisions from last week’s 28-26 defeat to the Wallabies – but this time, there doesn’t seem to be bad blood with World Rugby about it. SA Rugby’s director of rugby Rassie Erasmus is awaiting a date for his misconduct disciplinary hearing with the governing body about his famous 62-minute video following the first Test loss to the British and Irish Lions a few months ago, which was leaked on the internet. Both Erasmus and SA Rugby have been charged, and it will be interesting to see whether it is the actual comments made on the video or the fact that it got into the public domain that got the former Bok coach into trouble. But his chief lieutenant, Jacques Nienaber, said during the Bok team announcement press conference for Saturday’s Rugby Championship clash against Australia in Brisbane (9.05am SA time kickoff) that the management had expressed their concerns to World Rugby about some of the penalties awarded at the scrums in last Sunday’s game. There were some controversial decisions from English referee Luke Pearce towards the end of the match in particular, where the Boks were not awarded penalties despite gaining scrum dominance, while the Aussies were also not blown up for scrumming in during the last set-piece. “We’ve got a framework that we work with now, which we probably didn’t know (before) – it’s the same framework they used in the Six Nations, and obviously us not playing any rugby before the Georgia Test match, we weren’t 100 percent (sure). We didn’t know what the process was,” Nienaber said “But we make our clips like we normally do, and ours went out on Monday – the day after the match, after our review. “It went to Joel (Jutge, head of referees) from World Rugby, and they reviewed it and they came back to us. The purpose of that is to get alignment from our side, and obviously if discipline was poor and… Everybody makes mistakes. We make mistakes, referees sometimes get things wrong, you can’t get everything right. “But let’s say a player conceded three penalties, and then the referee will come back and say that was maybe a 50-50 call that could have gone the other way. Or maybe he wasn’t offsides or he didn’t transgress, or we could reward him there at the breakdown… “Then obviously that will influence selection. You will look at a player and say you conceded three, but they came back and said two of those weren’t penalties, and that ‘play on’ would have been a better call. That’s what we want from coaches and our team’s point of view.” Nienaber added that he had discussed the obstruction issue with Pearce as well, after the Wallabies continuously blocked the likes of wings Makazole Mapimpi and Sbu Nkosi when they chased up-and-unders. Another Englishman, Matthew Carley, has been appointed for Saturday’s clash, and Nienaber said that he was hoping to discuss certain issues with the match officials this week. “When we address stuff with the referees, even in the week leading into the Test match, we always try and figure out, from a coaching point of view, where the contests of this Test match would be. For us, we thought that (chasing kicks) would be a big contest on both sides,” the Bok defence guru said. “(Wallaby scrumhalves) Nic White and (Tate McDermott) are good box-kickers as well, so we thought it’s going to be a big contest, and it was – Australia kicked more in this Test match than in the previous five Test matches. “So, we thought it was a tactic that they might (employ). Obviously they have the skill-set, even with Quade (Cooper) there, to go to that. It’s something we addressed and just wanted to get alignment in terms of how they see it and how they refereed that contest. “Not all referees are the same in terms of how they interpret the contest and what they would like to see in that contest. It’s something we just aligned again after the Test match. The feedback and work from them has been good, from Joel’s side and the referee’s side. There’s good alignment. “And we will probably get another opportunity to talk with them, hopefully on Thursday or Friday we will have a meeting again, just to get clarity with our captain and vice-captain, and almost get a relationship going so that when they meet on the pitch, it’s not the first time that they will have a chat about certain things. “We definitely addressed that, and a couple of other things as well.”
MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
17 Sept 2021, 01:04
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17 Sept 2021, 01:04#2

There were some controversial decisions from English referee Luke Pearce towards the end of the match in particular, where the Boks were not awarded penalties despite gaining scrum dominance, while the Aussies were also not blown up for scrumming in during the last set-piece.

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Not in quotes so this is the author’s view not necessarily Nienaber’s…cleverly slipped in there.

SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
17 Sept 2021, 01:25
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17 Sept 2021, 01:25#3
It’s spot on about the last two scrums of the game
MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
17 Sept 2021, 01:29
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17 Sept 2021, 01:29#4

Nah Ox fell asleep and was monstered. The whole Bok scrum disintegrated and went back 10 metres. This was a journalistic reach designed to fool the gullible.

QS
Queensland SupporterClub Pro115 posts
17 Sept 2021, 01:56
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17 Sept 2021, 01:56#5

Funny that,

They are not sending any videos of situations where the Springboks infringe.

This sort of thing is not going down well in the rugby world - Whereby the South Africans are throwing their toys.

The way they play and then go running to World Rugby when it does not go their way is very childish behaviour and we are sick to death of it.

This behaviour is not good for rugby.

The are only moaning and whinging when they lose - behaviour of a 2 year old child.

I pray that the Wallabies beat them again this weekend.

 

MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
17 Sept 2021, 04:14
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17 Sept 2021, 04:14#6

Now this sounds like the truth:

Still stinging from being shown up at scrum time last time out, South Africa are banking on their vaunted set piece to restore order with a bounce-back Rugby Championship win over Australia on Saturday night.

The Springboks say they took it personally when the Wallabies scrum piled over them at the end of the first half and second half, ultimately costing the world champions six points – and the match – in the last-gasp 28-26 loss on the Gold Coast on Sunday night

Returning prop Trevor Nyakane, who is back in the side after suffering an ankle injury against Argentina, insists it won’t happen again in the return battle at Suncorp Stadium.

“Definitely it hurts for us as a pack,” said Nyakane, one of South Africa’s standouts in this year’s series with the British and Irish Lions.

“It doesn’t matter when and how it happens. For us, we always want to be dominant.

“We strive to be dominant and try to get 100 per cent scrums we go in, so it was tough to see that and we as a team knew we’d have to go back, look at those pictures and try to understand what happened.

We did that and it’s buried in the back of our minds; we know what they’re capable of and know they’ll come much harder than they did last week.

“It will start and end with momentum, same in the set piece so we’ll do all we can to salvage that.”

South Africa will face a new-look Australian front row for the early scrum exchanges.

With Allan Alaalatoa leaving camp for the birth of his first child, destructive prop Taniela Tupou will have his first start of the tournament for the Wallabies.

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Does that sound like a Bok prop who believes Oz didn’t win the last scrum? Nope.

QS
Queensland SupporterClub Pro115 posts
17 Sept 2021, 06:00
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17 Sept 2021, 06:00#7

There is another problem with South Africa - They believe their own hype.

What goes around comes around with that one I am afraid.

DB
DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
17 Sept 2021, 09:41
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17 Sept 2021, 09:41#8

What hype? We are the World Champions and current world no1 team...there's always a bit of hype surrounding that...none of our doing. You were talking up the Wallies big time, yet you beat the boring one dimensional Boks by the skin of your teeth...troll on bro ...or is that sista?

PA
PapamoaClub Pro683 posts
17 Sept 2021, 09:52
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17 Sept 2021, 09:52#9
Jesus! Again! When will SA except defeat? They didn’t win, how can you tell if it’s from the Wallabies scrum pressure or from SA folding? Fact is the Wallabies put a lot of pressure on this so called dominant scrum team
DB
DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
17 Sept 2021, 10:36
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17 Sept 2021, 10:36#10

Scrums are highly technical in the way they are officiated...if you build your whole game around set piece dominance,  it's crucial that you know exactly how the ref will interpret the technical side of things...it is standard practice for teams to get feedback from refs on these issues...hopefully this won't be leaked to the public again.

AU
AugenöffnerPro6,974 posts
17 Sept 2021, 12:11
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17 Sept 2021, 12:11#11

The Boks were very lucky. Hopefully world rugby will have seen Malherbe in more detail and send a recommendation that he join the SA diving team instead of masquerading as a tight head in a sport he lacks the fitness for.

The fact is that Saffers are always overly emotional, and I have found it leads to a lot of relativism; the dark side to the aw shucks simple good guy facade. That lack of honesty is why Saffers are so slow to learn. Even here, I have time and again seen people deny clear as day video evidence. The kind of people who will deny they have stolen from you after you've caught them right in the act and, worse yet, feel sorry for themselves thereafter.

Our rugby journalism and pundits are worthlessly inadequate. Ende. 

PL
PlumCaptain21,007 posts
17 Sept 2021, 12:38
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17 Sept 2021, 12:38#12
“Jesus! Again! When will SA except defeat? They didn’t win, how can you tell if it’s from the Wallabies scrum pressure or from SA folding? Fact is the Wallabies put a lot of pressure on this so called dominant scrum team” Perhaps when you learn the the difference between accept and except.
DB
DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
17 Sept 2021, 12:55
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17 Sept 2021, 12:55#13

Now-now Plum, Don't turn into a grammar nazi. ...I bit my tongue not to complain about him saying the Lord's Name in vain.


Rudeneck, you paying attention?

MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
17 Sept 2021, 16:08
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17 Sept 2021, 16:08#14

Peeper appears to have disappeared down a bottle.

CL
CleanCutPro9,905 posts
18 Sept 2021, 12:32
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18 Sept 2021, 12:32#15

Draad has joined BeanDips and DumbFuck's Snivelling Brigade.

How disapointing.




DB
DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
18 Sept 2021, 12:33
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18 Sept 2021, 12:33#16

Whoosh!!!

CL
CleanCutPro9,905 posts
18 Sept 2021, 13:08
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18 Sept 2021, 13:08#17

Pucker up, Draad.

Stupid Dave will be back shortly.


DB
DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
18 Sept 2021, 13:10
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18 Sept 2021, 13:10#18

Ja ja...maak of jy mal is en kak op alles.

BE
Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
18 Sept 2021, 14:04
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18 Sept 2021, 14:04#19

The ref screwed up big time when it came to scums. 

Only in Mozzzz's land of loons do you send in videos of bad scrum decisions if you have no case. The terrible bias of Moz was perfectly displayed when he tried to argue the initial movement was forwards. Moz has lost the plot. A victim of RDS

The last scrum was an outrage as it was as Kempson said totally illegal. TOTALLY

Very glad Nienaber sent in the video. Blocking our guys following up on the high ball was another problem. 

The facts are plain. The down under cheats are at it again. Just keep exposing them oaks. Robbie Kempson and others just keep putting up the video evidence.

Oaks its time to leave the don under cheats to their own devices. we have propped them up for far too long!

Now of course the wee ab fans and the Queen of Oz bitterly oppose fair officiating joined by, of all people, crooked Mozzzzz the fake Bok supporter. This guy is never happier than when the Boks lose so he can slate Rassie. Its pathetic! 

I wont mention the Org as I skim his posts these days or don't even read them if he is busy trashing his usual Bok player targets. The oak has lost his mind.


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