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RooinekCaptain18,117 posts
01 Aug 2017, 09:48
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01 Aug 2017, 09:48#1
SANZAAR's decision a few years ago to do away with neutral refs is about as sensible as their decision to complicate Super Rugby with these stupid conferences or the decision to retain crap teams like the Sunwolves at the expense of the Kings or Cheetahs.

The gin-sodden old fools making these decisions are the most incompetent bunch of clowns on the planet and should all be fired with immediate effect.

Jaco Peyper to ref the final? It's like they're begging for controversy . . . and it's so easily avoidable.

Just go back to neutral refs . . . and while you're at it, let's go back to a Super 12 as well.
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CleanCutPro9,905 posts
01 Aug 2017, 10:39
#2
01 Aug 2017, 10:39#2
 
What ... you're not implying that we have cheating refs ... are you ... surely not?

I thought refs are professional enough to be objective!

I saw your tearful rant after the Sharks loss to the Lions.

All these years of giving the ref bashers a tongue lashing ... only to have been a closet ref basher yourself.

Haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahahahahahahaaaa.

Much like your sudden change of heart regarding racist policies in this country .

You should befriend Mozart. You two have the 180 down pat.





  
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RooinekCaptain18,117 posts
01 Aug 2017, 10:44
#3
01 Aug 2017, 10:44#3
Klown, do you just pretend to be this stupid or is it real?
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BrycyPro4,671 posts
01 Aug 2017, 10:46
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01 Aug 2017, 10:46#4
 ...NZ referee last year between the Canes and the Lions so fair enough if a South African is selected this year...Peyper always goes to the TMO if there's any major decision to be made anyway...so with the introduction of TMO's the referee can quite easily absolve himself of any responsibility -a bit like Pontius Pilate washing his hands before crucifying Jesus...
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RooinekCaptain18,117 posts
01 Aug 2017, 10:51
#5
01 Aug 2017, 10:51#5
It's just asking for trouble. Whether Peyper or any other ref is biased or not, it's just inviting trouble and giving the ref-bashers one more thing to bleat about.
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bluebokPro3,977 posts
01 Aug 2017, 11:06
#6
01 Aug 2017, 11:06#6
It is not about Peyper's competence, it is about perceptions. For me it is just unnecessarily opening a can of worms. Just get a neutral ref and eliminate the doubt.  
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BrycyPro4,671 posts
01 Aug 2017, 11:08
#7
01 Aug 2017, 11:08#7
 ... What the NRL does better is go inside the bunker and you can watch the TMO review all the angles  -He ( the TMO) talks you through his decision making process live , you see what he sees so it's much more transparent...what one criticism was last week was extra angles appearing after the review of a try when the TMO said there was none..
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RooinekCaptain18,117 posts
01 Aug 2017, 11:14
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01 Aug 2017, 11:14#8

"It is not about Peyper's competence, it is about perceptions. For me it is just unnecessarily opening a can of worms. Just get a neutral ref and eliminate the doubt."


Exactly. That is the point that Klown is too dim to grasp.

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BrycyPro4,671 posts
01 Aug 2017, 11:21
#9
01 Aug 2017, 11:21#9
 Not sure whether Gardener would have made any difference...it's the TMO's imposing themselves on the game uninvited that is becoming the curse..
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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
01 Aug 2017, 12:03
#10
01 Aug 2017, 12:03#10
 What ... you're not implying that we have cheating refs ... are you ... surely not?

I thought refs are professional enough to be objective!

I saw your tearful rant after the Sharks loss to the Lions.

All these years of giving the ref bashers a tongue lashing ... only to have been a closet ref basher yourself.The above is per wee cc. Even a stopped clock is correct twice  a day! Hahahahaha Ou rooitwit has sided with cheating refs countless times and complained when people call out these cheats. This is one of many subjects were the hatter should recuse himself!
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Devil's AdvocatePro7,008 posts
01 Aug 2017, 13:00
#11
01 Aug 2017, 13:00#11
Rooinek

Status: Rugby Legend
Posts: 5696 RE: Neutral refs . . .
August 01, 2017, 11:14:19

"It is not about Peyper's competence, it is about perceptions. For me it is just unnecessarily opening a can of worms. Just get a neutral ref and eliminate the doubt."


Exactly. That is the point that Klown is too dim to grasp.


Hence my comment a while ago about "Price Lawrence" which got Piss Mint's knickers in a very tight knot.


A decision back then, that he has always defended till today.


Now he is calling for a neutral ref..... one who has no team in the game he is officiating I assume.


Well then.... what constitutes a neutral ref then Piss Mint?


Lawrence was not neutral at all and never could be......... whoever lost that game he was in charge of, would not be facing his own country's team in the very next round, the semi final.


How the hell do you have a ref in a game, where he contributes to the outcome of who plays his own team in the very next round of the world cup? .


A neutral ref would have been a French, Irish, English, Welsh etc etc ref, not a bloody New Zealand ref, who the winner had to play his team, in the very next game.


That was the point I was trying to make

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ABasquefanPro2,549 posts
01 Aug 2017, 13:37
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01 Aug 2017, 13:37#12
 it's simply plain stupid,.... with all the controversies and complaints about the Super Rugby format and its unfairness that have already taken place this year, SANZAAR has opted for adding even more controversy,... very difficult to understand

SANZAAR clown in chief, Andy Marino, said appointments have been done based only on merit,... what an utter BS

Referee:             Jaco Peyper
Assistant Ref 1: Glen Jackson
Assistant Ref 2: Marius van der Westhuizen
TMO :                 Marius Jonker
I have no problems at all with Peyper,... as I said it before, I consider him and A. Gardner as the current best refs in SH,... but it would have been very easy to appoint Gardner and avoid polemics

but van der Westhuizen and Jonker? it's a farce to say that they've been btwin the bests (as they've been btwin the worsts and most biased),.... and a total disdain to other better refs as aussies Gardner or Ayoub (TMO)

SANZAAR should explain why didn't appoint the 3 refs extensively considered as the bests (Peyper, Gardner and Jackson, though I wouldn't consider there Jackson,... but that's another story) and the considered best TMO (Ayoub)
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hakwaPro4,146 posts
01 Aug 2017, 14:12
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01 Aug 2017, 14:12#13
 If SANZAAR has to favour a SA side to win in 2017 might as well go all the way. There is no point doing things by halves is there? 
IRB & SANZAAR Credibility = Zero.
International Coach of the year in 2015 goes to Cheika despite Hanson winning a RWC for a 2nd times in a row and away from NZ and we grin and bear it.
NZ Teams get shafted by the SuperRugby draw and Conference System, and yet we just grin and bear it.
The ABs get shafted by the French "neutral" refs and yet we just grin and bear it.
Hanson wins the 2019 RWC 3times in a row and one could almost predict Eddie Jones will be named international coach of the year.
There is a pattern emerging.
Envy, jealousy, hatred, bitterness.
The simple name for it is Corruption -->a win at all cost by hook or by crook with no scruples.
 Let conscience by your guide. 3 Safers in charge of a Super Rugby Final with a Safer Team in it against a Kiwi Team sounds like an ambush to me. 


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RooinekCaptain18,117 posts
01 Aug 2017, 14:38
#14
01 Aug 2017, 14:38#14
Hakwa, while we can agree that not using neutral refs is a pretty stupid idea, tell me, did you complain about the "ambush" last year when the Hurricanes beat the Lions with a New Zealand ref, a New Zealand assistant, an Aussie assistant and a New Zealand TMO?

Hmmm?
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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
01 Aug 2017, 14:48
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01 Aug 2017, 14:48#15
 Hacked waaaaugh I believe in truly neutral refs but not only because of avoiding any appearance of impropriety but to actually to avoid real wrong doing as we have seen so many times from down under "ref" and a mere handful of times for SA refs.Unlike the never blame the ref buffoon rooitwitterbug  I do acknowledge that there are in fact big cheats out there like the infamous Bryce Lawrence! Beeno ever the realist!
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Devil's AdvocatePro7,008 posts
01 Aug 2017, 15:43
#16
01 Aug 2017, 15:43#16

But Beeno


According to Piss Mint.... Lawrence was neutral in that game because his team wasn't playing in it.


You see, by Piss Mint's mentality, it's only if the ref's team is actually playing in the same game that he is officiating in, is he then "not neutral".


Bollocks


LMFAO !!


Too Kleva


 

sharkbok
sharkbokCaptain23,258 posts
01 Aug 2017, 15:59
#17
01 Aug 2017, 15:59#17
The final should have neutral referees.  Very stupid to allow controversy like this. If it is a close match, and the local team gets the rub of the green, then it is bound to turn into a conspiracy . 
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Devil's AdvocatePro7,008 posts
01 Aug 2017, 16:29
#18
01 Aug 2017, 16:29#18

I agree 100% sharkbok


Let me ask you the same question I have posed here before.


Is a ref neutral, if the winner of the game that he is officiating in, is playing his team in their very next game..... in the semi final of the world cup.



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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
01 Aug 2017, 16:52
#19
01 Aug 2017, 16:52#19
Well Garces and Poite were hardly without controversy.
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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
01 Aug 2017, 19:31
#20
01 Aug 2017, 19:31#20
 Agreed Moz that is why I said TRULY neutral refs. Poite was not neutral that day the Boks played the wee abs in nz.
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CleanCutPro9,905 posts
02 Aug 2017, 08:29
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02 Aug 2017, 08:29#21
 
Haaaaaaaaahahahahaaaa!!

No need to get so het up, Fats.

Why blame me for your change of heart? I've told you before that there are refs that aren't entirely fair ... and as usual you'd give us a mouth full of how there aren't cheating refs ... blah, blah, blah ... and we're noobs ... blah, blah, blah ...

Remember?

Perhaps you should go search the archives and produce a post of yours that supports your sudden cheating ref theory.

I'll wait.




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RooinekCaptain18,117 posts
02 Aug 2017, 08:39
#22
02 Aug 2017, 08:39#22
Yes, you wait, Klown.

I never thought I'd see anything sadder and more pathetic than a Servile Gimp. Imagine being a grovelling and obsequious suck-up like Baboon-ou, Dense or Dumb Ass . . . hanging around this board waiting for your Master to appear so you can kiss his fat arse, agree with everything he says (no matter how stupid) and spit vitriol at anyone who dares to criticize him?

But - incredibly - there's actually something even more sad and pathetic than a Servile Gimp . . . it's a failed Servile Gimp! A Servile Gimp wannabe!

Just look how Klown puckered his lips a few weeks ago and tried to fight the other Gimps for space to lick Moffie's tailpipe clean only to be rejected by Moffie and chased away by the snarling and snapping Servile Gimps!

LMAO!

Poor Klown! The fat-faced fool had barely got his tongue brown when he had to beat a hasty retreat as fast as his chubby little legs could carry him. I actually feel quite sorry for him . . . he aspires to be a Servile Gimp but can't even achieve that pitifully modest little goal!

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CleanCutPro9,905 posts
02 Aug 2017, 09:15
#23
02 Aug 2017, 09:15#23
 
Hmmmm ... ??

Nope ... I've read through your response and I don't see anything about cheating refs.

Does that mean you couldn't find anything ... or is it perhaps because there isn't anything there to find?

Maybe you should try again.

Either that or admit you've done a 180 on previous rants ... and if you don't mind, an apology would be nice.  

Tell me, Fats ... why are you redirecting the conversation? Let me remind you ... this is about cheating refs and how to avoid controversy ... not about me licking Chips tailpipe or being a wannabe gimp ... try to keep up, will ya?

We can always start another thread with that as it's subject heading if you like ... ok?

You sound a little pi$$ed at me. Does that mean we can't be friends anymore? You haven't turned all purple on me  ... have you?

Haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahahahahahaaaa!!

Careful, Fats ... you know that sudden increases in blood pressure is bad for one ... especially if you have a little too much deep fried chicken clogging the path.

Rather go calm yourself with a nice cold beer and come back in 10.

I'll wait ...
 

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RooinekCaptain18,117 posts
02 Aug 2017, 09:23
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02 Aug 2017, 09:23#24
Klown, you're joining the ranks of Baboon-ou in that you're too stupid to understand anything I'd be dumb enough to tell you.

Listen chump, I'll try one last time so please concentrate or get someone with a double-digit IQ to assist you . . . I have never said the refs are cheats. The reason I want neutral refs is not because I think they're cheats, it's so that blubbering crybabies like you have less reason to wail and moan every time your team loses a game.

There, now did that finally penetrate your immensely thick skull?

Okay, just grunt once if you've finally twigged!
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CleanCutPro9,905 posts
02 Aug 2017, 09:42
#25
02 Aug 2017, 09:42#25
 
LOL!!!

Actually ... I was only kidding when I said I would wait ... in truth I don't really have an interest in anything additional you have to say on the subject. It's a silly thread and I'm bored by it.    

I can see you would like to go back and forth with me for a spell ... but ... can I ask for a rain check ? I'm really not in the mood for your tearful little rants today ... but by all means feel free to carry on.

Thanks.

 

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RooinekCaptain18,117 posts
02 Aug 2017, 09:46
#26
02 Aug 2017, 09:46#26
Wehe . . . I think the penny finally dropped . . . which is why the crimson-faced Klown is off for a sulk!

LMAO!
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Devil's AdvocatePro7,008 posts
02 Aug 2017, 10:54
#27
02 Aug 2017, 10:54#27

No surprise here


Piss Mint making more friends in his own unique and special way


So Piss Mint, since you are now asking for neutral refs... answer this question.


Is a NZ ref neutral, if he officiates in a game, where the winner of that game that he refs, plays that same ref's NZ home team in the very next game, which happens to be a place in the semi final of the rugby world cup.


I have not once seen you question why Lawrence officiated that game, or any potential bias..... I have only seen you chastising everyone else for questioning his ability to ref the game and making stupid threats.





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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
02 Aug 2017, 12:18
#28
02 Aug 2017, 12:18#28
 I have never said the refs are cheats -  says rooitwitterbug  aka piss mint aka urinal. EXACTLY Hey rooitwit don't take it too hard. You know far more about refs than you do about politics. Hahahahahahahahahahahahaha 
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RooinekCaptain18,117 posts
02 Aug 2017, 12:34
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02 Aug 2017, 12:34#29
Thanks Baboon-ou . . . even if you're too dim to know you're backing me up.

The many ref-bashers out there have never been able to provide an alternative to the current officiating structures. They whine and blubber about how terrible the refs are but not one of them has ever come up with a constructive alternative.

We have already seen that the current technology is pretty limited and ineffective. If anything it's making rugby even worse because we're hanging around waiting for the officials to watch endless replays only to get decisions that still cause just as much unhappiness and division.

We also know that the refs on these elite panels are the best refs in the world and anyone squealing for refs to be replaced by new refs is effectively asking for a lowering of already very high standards.

So tell me, any of you whiny, blubbering ref-bashers out there, what is it you think we can do to improve reffing? Don't just burst into tears again, try to give a constructive answer.
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Devil's AdvocatePro7,008 posts
02 Aug 2017, 13:23
#30
02 Aug 2017, 13:23#30

Well


Give a constructive answer to my question then.....


You are requesting neutral refs now...... why did it take you so long to request this?


In that particular game I mentioned, was Lawrence a neutral ref, yes or no? .



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RooinekCaptain18,117 posts
02 Aug 2017, 13:28
#31
02 Aug 2017, 13:28#31
Dumb Ass, you are about as significant as a wank stain. I don't care about your stupid question and I don't care if you screech and squeal for months on end about what a horrible alcoholic friendless cowardly loser Rooinek is . . . so just shut your stupid trap and go ahead and do what you have to do.

Is that clear enough for you?

If (when) you do explode into anger after reading this, do try to limit your Rooinek quotes to a few hundred and please don't have a heart attack or a stroke or something.

Okay?
DA
Devil's AdvocatePro7,008 posts
02 Aug 2017, 13:31
#32
02 Aug 2017, 13:31#32

So in short


Lawrence was not a neutral ref, and you cannot dispute it...... all good


But you are demanding that there must be neutral refs now


Got it


LMFAO !! 

DA
Devil's AdvocatePro7,008 posts
02 Aug 2017, 13:36
#33
02 Aug 2017, 13:36#33
Rooinek

Status: Rugby Legend
Posts: 5705 RE: Neutral refs . . .
August 02, 2017, 13:28:09

Dumb Ass, you are about as significant as a wank stain.

 

Lol


19 years ago.......


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CleanCutPro9,905 posts
02 Aug 2017, 13:39
#34
02 Aug 2017, 13:39#34
 
Ok ... I'm finished with my sulk.

Seeing as you're insisting on continung with this silly little thread, let me add a bit of value to it.

Well ... there aren't any cheating refs out there ... that much you've already established ... they're all professionals ... right? ... their service delivery is of a very high quality ... so why bother with this neutral ref nonsense?

Is that honestly your best attempt at a solution to this so called cheating ref issue?

Neutral refs aren't going to change anything.

You as a newly included member to Hakwa and Beandips ref bashing brigade should know that.

Glad to have helped.

Can we move on now?



 


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RooinekCaptain18,117 posts
02 Aug 2017, 13:45
#35
02 Aug 2017, 13:45#35
Klown, not even you are so stupid that you cannot deny that neutral refs will give the ref-bashing crybabies less reason to burst into tears.

I don't actually believe you cannot grasp such a basic fact. I think you're being deliberately obtuse.

As for me suddenly being a ref-basher, you're either being very stupid or very childish . . . a bit like your claim that I support quotas . . . except you can't find even a single example of me saying anything of the sort and you think everyone should rather believe you just because it's you saying it.

That's the level of debate I'm starting to expect from you. Up your game, Klown . . . or else go fight in your own weight division. Dumb Ass is looking for someone to talk to.
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DennyCaptain12,893 posts
02 Aug 2017, 14:23
#36
02 Aug 2017, 14:23#36
 Golly....there's some fun here, please don't stop, I need a laugh.
DA
Devil's AdvocatePro7,008 posts
02 Aug 2017, 14:37
#37
02 Aug 2017, 14:37#37

Hilarious


Piss Mint demanding neutral refs......... now only


LMFAO !! 


Piss Mint, when you finally get to the level where you don't have to constantly look up, to speak to everyone else who is above you, you will then realise you have reached another level of intellectual conversation.


That level were everyone else on this board is already at.


Until then, keep looking up laddie

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DennyCaptain12,893 posts
02 Aug 2017, 14:46
#38
02 Aug 2017, 14:46#38
 Good schooling DA........don't be too hard on him though, I don't want him screaming off the board again......he's half my fun. Always funny how he talks about others being teary eyed and purple faced and running away.....I wonder if the misery is describing himself...
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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
02 Aug 2017, 14:51
#39
02 Aug 2017, 14:51#39
Gosh.....so if Urinal wasn't calling for Quota selections.........I guess he really thought Notshe should be the Bok pick. Can anything be sillier?
DA
Devil's AdvocatePro7,008 posts
02 Aug 2017, 14:55
#40
02 Aug 2017, 14:55#40

Denny


What a chop this Piss Mint is hey


He is my daily laugh though.... I sometimes just cannot fathom how incredibly stupid he really is.


He loses himself daily amongst all his previous lies, he squirms, squeals, and slithers away, when he is put in a tight corner, or, like a little girl who lost her favourite Barbie, he tells everyone on this board to "Fcuk Off" and does a runner.


Lol, he's a good runner, that we do know


Then, he tries to use these intellectual words to make his post look like he  actually has an education, but then he totally screws all that up with the daily decisions and comments that he makes on here.


I don't know hey.... sometimes I actually have a bit of sympathy for him and even those that are close to him.... It can't be an easy life.


 

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