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Give Razor the Bok players and Rasmus the AB players….what’s the result. My guess is Razor by 20.

Moart

Has Razor won 2 WC in a row?   Stop your BS attacks n Erasmus please. - you are increasing looking more stupid every day.      

Manpower

Are you still too stupid to see the difference how the Springboks play now from how they plaed under Erasmus's predecessors     You are stuck in certain BS ideas and fail t o see what is really happening.     

What scires did the AB's plaers got than our plaayers.  In e seconf test Shaca was better than Polard and miles better than McKenzie,   De Allende was the Player of the Match in he second est and in the first test it was Du Toit.     

On the hole I rate he whole two eams s follows:

*     Springbks     7,5/10

*     All Blacks       6/10

I suppse you rate it totally different  based on Predjudice.   

Exactly clever you dumb plank. If our players are way better than the AB players, why did we struggle to beat them.

Who out of that AB team would make the Bok team. None of the backs ….maybe Barrett at 12, but only because Dud is our current 12… nobody else.

In the pack maybe their tighthead and Savea. That’s 3 players.

So with a team that’s better at 12 out of the 15 positions how did the genius only settle the match in the last quarter?

Swop the teams and there is an automatic 14 point swing….the team coached by Razor gains 7 maul related points and the Boks lose 7.

Playing at home with a team which is better in 12 positions the genius scrapes home and EggYolk sings glory hallelujah.  Groupies can’t think.

You besotted and Preujudice plank ould come up that BS  like the above.   Do you ever see o what really happe during matches and know what is relevant to rugby - especialy those things yu do ot want to see and lie about examples endlessly and wehen caught out go quiet about it and then a ywear later repeat the BS.   

What you write onm ste came from a mind that is totally biased.    It is rare hat top teams win matches by big margins anyway,

Arsehole I ask you super BSter who you would replace De Allende with?    90% of real rugby experts suppott  De Allende as the best nside center in te world at present - the other 10% promoted players from their own countries/    You are the only idiot attacking the best coach in world rugby,   How the hell did you get biased to the insane level you  are?

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Back to the question….why did we just scrape home against the ABs when we would only choose 3 of their players for a joint team and we were playing at home.  Let go of the wanking machine and focus. Then try your best to answer the question that’s posed,

MOZART

Watch the following video

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C7jmgsHmI58

Maybe if you are no totally blinkered you may find out how rugby s mproved unde Erasmus,   

Answer the question Clever and you can chime in Eggyolk. How can a genius struggle to beat a team with only 3 players we would substitute for our own…. Playing right in the kraal????

What a load of utter BS without any proof of anything  at all  and then comes up with a unbeleivable ;evel of hatred of ERasmus and certain players,

How about actually looking at Moz's argument.

Do you agree that very few ABs would get into this Bok side? - I do

Do you agree that with a side that is so much better than the current ABs, a -5 point winning margin is underwhelming? - I do

So, allow me to make a case for you plebs because you're obviously not able to. 

Razor is probably a better Rugby coach, and Rassie is probably a better Rugby Team coach. Razor is likely better at getting his team to score points. And Rassie is better and creating unity, spirit and belief.

And lets be honest here for a minute, these ABs are nowhere near Richie's side. I'm sure most of the Kiwis agree. My belief is that side was the ABs best side ever and it'll be many years before they replicate a side like that. 

And allow me to make a comment that's gonna piss every Kiwi on earth off. DMAC is overrated and shouldn't be in that side. He doesn't do nearly enough to make up for what he can't do. 

And here is a challenge that I know none of you on the team DDA will EVER take up;

1) Make a contention about something and ask Moz or MPower to respond.

2) Observe their response and see if its a) more ad hominem or if b)they actually address your points and debate you.

We already know what'll happen. They'll actually address you contention. And that, my friends, is where the difference between the DDA fans and the rest of is drawn.

I'll make another hypothetical - give this team back to Allister Coetzee for a season and give Razor a season to build his side. Razor by 20+ for me .

My point being that yes, we have a great bunch of players, but without proper coaching, without proper systems, they'll be just that - a bunch of great individuals that will get their asses kicked like they did under Coetzee because they don't have an effective system of being a winning team.

One comes here hoping that mozzietard will recover from the spiked protein interfering with his few brain cells. But no luck the dope plummets to new levels of stupidity and ludicrous bias. 

Mike and Dave congrats on your patience in putting up with this drivel. 

Yes mozzietard is a fake Bok supporter. He is getting more bitter about Rassie every Bok win that happens. He has been floored by Du Toit who is now reckoned to be one of the greatest 7 s to play the game. Allende has just won man of tbe match. 

Yes Mampara power is not the only manpara posting here. Hahahahahahaha. 

BYE the way this is not a bad AB side at all. That hooker of their is the best on the world. Forwards are pretty solid and backs remain very dangerous. 

I agree with Plum about Damian Mckenzie. 

I always wonder what poor Mozzietard will come up with next to trash Rassie and the Boks. He is sounding more and more unhinged, desperate in fact. To proud to admit he has made three horrendously bad call, Rassie, Du Toit and Allende. Bwahahahahahaha.. Nevertheless I wish Mozzie a speedy recovery. I suggest he takes Dr Peter McCullough cocktail for the vaccine injured. Anything to spare us this drivel. See a shrink, it might help. There must be a cure for Rassie Derangement Syndrome. 

No cure for TDS, those suffering from this are doomed. They are far far gone. I see Nate Silver, the Democrat posing guru. Is predicting Trump wins 312 electoral college votes. He iy needs 270. Trump is rising in the polls. After Harris has been Brutally fact checked people not realise Trump won this debate hands down. Hahahahahahaha. The GOP are planning to haul in AN S Whistle blower has come forward. ABC has admitted to fact checking only Trump. Turns out their fact checking was complete nonsense. 

I always am amazed how little some oaks know about rugby and politics. Mike has his hands full. I am too busy fighting for Trump to help Mike. 

This Argintinian tests is going to be very interesting. Mozzietard will be hoping for Atlrgirs won. Oh if only, if Only Rassie would lose! 

Dave, if you have trouble with basic English comprehension, don't make it m y problem.

Pakie

With respect te comments under this thread is theoretical nonsense and will always be assumptions.   The SA team is also in ransition and the omplaint is that the team changes are not fast enough.     

So the playes are going to be changed through the next two years to prepare for the 2027 RWC and there will duing such a period be ups and downs.\

We already know that Vermeulen is in te coaching staff and it is alredy indicated that he sme will happen to Kolisi.    So h will be around in 2027 as coaching ssistant,   Provided their perfomance levels are maintained  the only players likely to be in the playing squad in 2027 may be Marx, Etzebeth, Du Toit and De Allende - but that depends entirely on performance levels being maintained.   

There is also a small change that Pollard may be in that caegory but he is already not the preferred starting flyhalf since Shaca came on the scene and that will become more evident during he next two years,     As is the case with Snyman  Pollard is also injury prone and often absent from playing for lenghty absence from the Springbok team sdue to injuries,  The latter wll be a factor borne in mind as well.  

"My point being that yes, we have a great bunch of players, but without proper coaching, without proper systems, they'll be just that - a bunch of great individuals that will get their asses kicked like they did under Coetzee because they don't have an effective system of being a winning team."         

The above is typical  BS spread by idiots and laughed at by rugby experts worldwide because it shows tha both of you are prejudiced and idiotic.   It is not like Meyer and Coetzee who were so shit that they were fired for gross incompetence and destruction of he clubs they coached afterwards because of gross ncompetence.  Mozart and you never criticized those two - but the two of you wrote shi t about Erasmus ten times a week on coaching of which you have zero knowledge.

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Oh dear lord.

The premise of the original post is that we have better players, and that is the basis for our success. The players, not the coaching. Okay?

Right. So then I said that if this team gets handed back to Allister Coetzee for a year, Razor's ABs will put 20+ on them. Okay? Clearly implying that the coaching actually has something to do with it.

Next, I further clarified that with this:

My point being that yes, we have a great bunch of players, but without proper coaching, without proper systems, they'll be just that - a bunch of great individuals that will get their asses kicked like they did under Coetzee because they don't have an effective system of being a winning team.

Clearly this team is not getting their asses kicked like they did under Coetzee, so clearly I am not talking about the current setup. I am saying that a bunch of good players alone does not a successful team make, clearly implying that the current coaching setup has a hell of a lot to do with the team's success.

I see, so you agree with us that Moffie's statement in the OP of this thread is complete and utter bullshit?

Going by the Bok results all credit goes to Rassie. Has not put a foot wrong and that's with 10 changes per game.

I see, so you agree with us that Moffie's statement in the OP of this thread is complete and utter bullshit?

Well it's hypothetical, which is always iffy because it's essentially opinion based. 

Give a good coach excellent players, obviously he will have success. But he needs to be a good coach first. And of course there's not just one coach, there's an entire staff, and the Bok staff is not likely to mold the current ABs into a side that will consistently find themselves 20 points short of the mark against any other side in the world. That's hypothetical too, but I'm pretty sure of it. How will the Boks do against their own defensive system, for example? It's a far more complicated equation than "Boks man for man better".

See Dave, you're getting better at comprehending already.

So Pakster you think ou mozzietard is INNOCENTLY raising a hypothetical and this has nothing to do with having a go against Rassie as he has been doing consistently for close to ten  boring years!

Face facts poor mozzie has a severe dose of RDS

The problem with many of you guys, as Beeno just demonstrated again, is that you're so intent on being combative and/or contrarian that you just read to react, not to understand.

Dave is an honest groupie, HasBeen is locked into his war against globalism, Mike is stupid and Sic’s only joy in life is when he thinks he has insulted another poster.

A motley crew.

Now back to the debate. It’s not a 100% thing. No it’s not all players. But it’s also not all coaching. Our wins over the ABs were paper thin. And yet we had massively better players and were playing at home. . So who did the more successful coaching job. I think 100% that Razor over performed expectations. 

Funniest response so far from sic who simply couldn’t understand Pakie’s nuanced argument.

Pakie 

This type of dicussion never before took place when  While, De Villiers, Meyer and Coezee were coaches,   Why is it now a topic other han a basis for attacking Erasmus an some playes members are  prejudiced against?

When challenged about the fact that the kind o critcism is coming out on a daily basis now and pointed out his silence about Meyer's dsastrous coaching and selections - he came up wih only 1 example of where he was mildly critical of Meyer  (1 case in 4 years)   and the same applied to Coetzee.

When SARU apponted Erasmus as Dirctor of rugby Mozar's first reacion was that SARU should have rather have retained Coetzee and nt appoint Erasmus.   

No ir is virtually every day that critcs shout abuse on Erasmus based on very little being factual and often fake assumptions  - that si why I say we should discuss pertinent issues and not prejudiced BS on site,

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Mike, this is a discussion board. We're discussing. Why is 90% of the player conversations on this board around DDA and Steph? Dunno, that's the way it goes, polarizing stuff gets more mileage than middle of the road stuff. This place is fun, keeps us busy and is only as serious as you make it up in your mind to be.

Eggyolk I named the 3 ABs I thought were better above….Jordie Barrett, Savea and Williams. For the rest the Boks are better to vastly better. Better at halfback, vastly better on the wings, better in the front row, vastly better at lock and better at loosie.

With all those advantages, playing at home, it shouldn’t have been a close run thing.

And of course you are totally contradicting yourself…..,would anybody say this about the AB  team:

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