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Started by Mozart64 REPLIES3,531 VIEWS· 17 Sept 2024, 13:22
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
18 Sept 2024, 19:03
#41
18 Sept 2024, 19:03#41

OK Mozart

You made your own assssment of players based on your own prejudiced assessment,   and then try ad make a case for what you came up with,    Then you try and tell us - despie videos made available on site that tere were no change in the Springboks game plan - and Erasmus si the worst xcoach the Srigbok had since 2004.

Every real expert has never supported your allegations  - but then as you bragged in 2015 that you are the best rugby performance anylist in the world.    Believe me no real analist will agree wih you on that assertion - especially people that have the advanced nternet analysis system you do not have access to

While you never critticized coaches since 2004 your attacks n Ersmus on a viually daily basis and mostly based on lies you have invented yourself. - for instance without real evidence you claimed that the Springboks play 10 man rugby and not comprehesve rugby because they can only score maul tries  without even knowing what maul tries really entail.   You also said that you never see anyway positicve  Du Toit and De Allende did in tests they played in and when challenged on it - you lied on what really happened in  the matches referred to.   

Aside from that you use no comments posted on site proving that you are not wanting to see t he truth of what is really happening in Springbok rugby.   You claim you aupport the Springboks - but when you write comment on the team it is clear you hate the Springboks and hope they lose - so you can have real ammu to attack Erasmus/      

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RooinekCaptain18,117 posts
18 Sept 2024, 19:09
#42
18 Sept 2024, 19:09#42

Eben, outplayed in about 17 consecutive games by Pieter-Steph du Toit is this one "vastly" better player we have.

LMAO!

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
18 Sept 2024, 19:11
#43
18 Sept 2024, 19:11#43

Pakie

I cannot remember any instance where you specifically criticze Meyer or Coetzee an also Morne Steyn/   I my be wrng is that in the case o Erasmus the attaks is basicaly n a daily basis - in other cases it was maybe three or four times a year,

Get real please what you wrote are so repetitive - it really is boaring.   .        

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RooinekCaptain18,117 posts
18 Sept 2024, 19:13
#44
18 Sept 2024, 19:13#44

"Funniest response so far from sic who simply couldn’t understand Pakie’s nuanced argument."

Oh I understood it alright. He was trying to tell you in the nicest (but rather servile) possible way that you're sounding like a biased rugby noob again.

Just by the way, if anyone is wondering why Moffie now calls me Sic, it's because of the number of times I had to point out his double standards and hypocrisy over a long period of time . . . not to mention his poor use of language and grammar.

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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
18 Sept 2024, 20:02
#45
18 Sept 2024, 20:02#45
Moz you are speaking utter shit as per usual to the point that it’s all a bunch of lies Fassi / Willie vs Beauden Barrett Kolbe vs Jordan /Tele’a Kriel vs Ione de Allende vs Jordie Arendse vs Clarke/ Reece Pollard/ Sacha vs McKenzie Reinach/ Williams vs Perenara Ox vs Williams / de Groot Bongi/ Marx vs Cody Malherbe vs Lomax Eben vs ….. Mostert vs Scott Barrett Kolisi vs Cane PSDT vs Blackadder/ Situtu Wiese vs Ardie Not a single Bok is vastly superior to a Kiwi other than Eben and that’s a fact so stop speaking shit and just accept the fact that your anti Rassie is so fucking sad that you will stop at nothing trying to devalue his achievements Thankfully we know better, while you continue to embarrass yourself
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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
18 Sept 2024, 20:30
#46
18 Sept 2024, 20:30#46
Dave asking this abject buffoon to stop talking shit is not going to help. The oak is far, far gone.
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
19 Sept 2024, 01:13
#47
19 Sept 2024, 01:13#47

Mozart

As per normal you are talking BS - you are not basing aything you claim is the case,   

What is really amazig is the claim that  the AB team is in  period of transition while the SA te ams that played he AB's were not in a similar situation.    Yet the average the 23 players had in test apperances for he AB;s was  47,5 tests per player in test appearances,   In the case of the Springbks the same figure is 46,1 tests per player

So the fact that is beoming clearer is that statements such as mentioned above is n fact BS.    

 

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
19 Sept 2024, 04:07
#48
19 Sept 2024, 04:07#48

Willie better at 15 than Barrett

Kolbe vastly better than Jordan

Kriel better than Ioane

Barrett better than Dud

Arendse better than Clark

Sacha/Pollard  better than DMac

Williams even with Perenara

Ox even with Williams

Marx even with Taylor

Malherbe better than Lomax

Etzebeth vastly better than any NZ lock

Mostert  better than Barrett

Kolisi better than Caine

Dud Toit  even with Blackadder

Savea better than Wiese

The Bomb squad massively better than the NZ bench. Given the choice we would probably  pick Jordie and Savea, no one else.

The truth is many of the name AB players had a poor series. Beauden  Barrett was a shadow of the former great player….Jordan a failure at 15…Ioane awful at 13, totally outplayed by Kriel.,,DMac dithered and missed key kicks..,Caine a nothing burger…even Savea was well below his best.

Some of these players are too old…others are out of position, others were just poor….Reece was a basket case, Tele’a ineffective, Lienert-Brown past it.

More crucially there was no leadership in this AB team….no senior players, Taylor excepted, who stepped up. These are the players who imploded against the Bargies in NZ.

It’s hilarious that the same posters who were touting our depth are now saying there is no talent edge over the ABs, all to protect Rasmus.




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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
19 Sept 2024, 04:19
#49
19 Sept 2024, 04:19#49

From ChatGTP

The All Blacks team that recently played against the Springboks in the 2024 Rugby Championship had an average of around 38 test caps per player. This was notable for being a relatively inexperienced squad by All Blacks standards, as they often field teams with higher average test caps 

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The average number of test caps for the Springbok team that played against the All Blacks in their recent match in Cape Town was notably high, as South Africa fielded a very experienced side. Key players like Siya Kolisi, Eben Etzebeth, and Pieter-Steph Du Toit contributed significantly to this, each bringing over 70 caps. The total number of test caps among the starting 15 players was around 790, giving an average of approximately 52 caps per player.


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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
19 Sept 2024, 04:45
#50
19 Sept 2024, 04:45#50

Lol.

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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
19 Sept 2024, 08:20
#51
19 Sept 2024, 08:20#51
What a joke No ways is Willie better than Beaden No ways is Kolbe better than Jordan Ione is definitely better than Kriel Biggest joke is Mostert better than Scott Barrett - dream on - that’s not even close. Scott is world class Mostert a pretender But more to the point here - the Bok players are not vastly superior to the AB ones as you maintain and in some cases the AB players are better So as I said you are speaking utter shit and only a fool would have a Bok side down as a surety to beat an AB side by the margins you dream up. Get real it’s the All Blacks and the notion that this is an average AB side is a load of crap Reality is the Bok side is a good one, coached by the best coach the Boks have ever had
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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
19 Sept 2024, 09:07
#52
19 Sept 2024, 09:07#52

"No ways is Kolbe better than Jordan"

Yes ways...Kolbe must be a contender for player of the year...Jordan is good but struggling for form of late.

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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
19 Sept 2024, 09:21
#53
19 Sept 2024, 09:21#53
Jordan is up there with Kolbe - yes Kolbe might have the edge right now but is certainly not vastly superior Eben, PSDT and Ardie stand out in comparison to their opposite numbers but that’s it
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PakieCaptain17,321 posts
19 Sept 2024, 09:43
#54
19 Sept 2024, 09:43#54

Kolbe is the most dangerous back in world rugby. We just don't get the ball to him enough.

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
19 Sept 2024, 10:08
#55
19 Sept 2024, 10:08#55

If ever there was a thread where BS reigned supreme it is this thread/    If any team lose in tests with margins bigger than 40 ponts that coach should not be replaced by Erasmus.  That was the shit Mozart wrote in 2018 based on lies invented by him about Erasmus' career as a coach and rugby manager..

In the modern environment of Rugby the coaches fell under the management of he Director of Rugby of the fanchise or club and on national level.    Erasmus left he Direcor Post of the Stormers to become  The Dircor of Rugby in 2010 of the Stormers to join the structure of the Springbok team the Stormers started a collapse that lasted for Coetzee's rmainng peiod as Stormers coach.

After the disastrous  performance of the Sprinboks in the 2011 RWC De Villiers were fired by SARU as National coach and Meyer was appointed as Springbok head coach.    Erasmus approached Meyer to suggest a basis iro which they could work together to improve the team - but Meyer refused such co-operation and turned into a disster as coach.    By 2014 the Spingboks was piss poor and lost  out of  9 tests played in the period November 2014 to September 2015 the disaster was evident - the Springboks won only 3 matches.    One of the wins were agaist a very poor Argentine team ni a warm up match for eh RWC of 2015 and the  Springboks lost all the RC matches in 2015 and the last loss was the Japan Disaster in he RWC..   SARU effectively fired Meyer by telling him an extension of his conract as Springbok Head coach will not be cosniderd and he was succeeded by Coetzee - a coach even worse than De Villiers and Meyer were combined. 

Erasmus saw that there was nothing but further detruction of Springbok rugby in SA.   He resigned as SA Director of Rugby -  and accepted a similar post as Director of Rugby of Munster,    In his conmtract with Munster was on his request  a provision that Erasmus would be released from his Munster contract.   The Head Coach of Munser died of heart attack in January 2017 and in  2017 Erasmus and until he left Munster in March 2018 was both Director and Head coach of Munster and Van Gran that used to be an Assistant of Meyer as Springbok coach was taken n by Erasmus that was of great cale to Van Graan.   Munster had a top year and in 2017 Munste which in both the European Heineken Cup series and the URC.    In 2017 Erasmus became the Irish  coach of the Year - sonmething neither White nor De Villiers, Meyer or Coezee achieved after they left the Springboks.

When Erasmus replaced Coetzee in 2018 Mozart came with a  classic comment that SARU should have rather retaned Coetzee than appoint Erasmus.   What was ineresing about Meyer  was his appointment as Head Coach of Stade d' France and Coetzee's appoinmet as coach of  Canon Eagles Japan,   By mid 2019 both teams were heading to disaster and relegation and both were fired for gross icompetence by the clubs concerned.    They were viciously poor as bth  Springbok  and club coaches - but supported by piss-head Mozart.

When Easmus took over the job left vsacant by Coetzee in 2018 the Springboks  were rankd 7th in the world.  By October 2019 they were ranked the no 1 team in the World - but Mozart rearded it as m being a total diaster as coach and his prma donna attack on Erasmus neve stopped and is still ongoing now for 6 ears of shit reading.,   .                                            

The abve showed how really deicated some of the site members are SA rugby be destroyed and hat indeed is pathetic BS they spread.  .    

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
19 Sept 2024, 13:38
#56
19 Sept 2024, 13:38#56

Lots of claims Yolk. Give us your combined starting team. Mine would be:

Willie, Kolbe, Kriel, Barrett, Ioane, Pollard, Williams.

Ox, Marx, Malherbe, Eben, Dud Toit, Blackadder, Kwagga, Savea.

Exactly 4 ABs make it.

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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
19 Sept 2024, 14:05
#57
19 Sept 2024, 14:05#57
Eggshell here we go Barrett, Kolbe, Ione, de Allende, Jordan, Sacha, Perenara, Ox, Taylor, Malherbe , Eben, Scott Barrett, Kolisi, PSDT, Savea But that’s not the point now is it - you ignorantly claimed the Kiwi players were vastly inferior which is complete crap As the likes of Tele’a, Clarke, Reece, Jordie Barrett, McKenzie, de Groot, Lomax and Blackadder come close to making that combined side as do Willie, Arendse, Kriel, Am, Pollard, Williams, Bongi, Marx and Wiese
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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
19 Sept 2024, 14:43
#58
19 Sept 2024, 14:43#58
Pfffft….Ioane was awful, Braden Barrett is lost at 15, Perenara can’t even make the NZ starting team, Marx would get the hooker nod to keep the front row unit intact.
Reece who was absolutely horrible….cost them the match, close to selection? McKenzie who was clueless in the crunch and missed crucial easy kicks, close to selection? Tele’a an absolute nothing lose to selection? 
What sort of Bok fan are you?
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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
19 Sept 2024, 14:55
#59
19 Sept 2024, 14:55#59
Bullshit Beauden is a class act wherever he plays Ione is far better than Kriel Perenara started the first test and is better than Reinach Williams is still to set test rugby alight but he has hardly started there Marx does not start for the Boks when he should so it’s Bongi or Codey and on current form Codey takes it McKenzie is a class act - a few kicks don’t define him, I’m not that stupid Tele’a is one of the best wings in the game I’m a Bok fan calling it as it is - Reinach, Kriel, Bongi and Mostert/Nortje should not be starting for the Boks - add the better options and those 4 positions are taken up by Boks. I could say the same about Willie at 15 - Fassi and Willemse are better options
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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
19 Sept 2024, 15:08
#60
19 Sept 2024, 15:08#60

But the genius disagrees and so do I.

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RooinekCaptain18,117 posts
19 Sept 2024, 15:25
#61
19 Sept 2024, 15:25#61
Add Will Jordan and Wallace Sititi to the list of ABs with a claim to a spot in the combined side.
The other NZ player who deserves a mention is the Blues Hoskins Sotutu who at the age of 26 should have had a few caps by now. Razor obviously likes him about as much as Rassie liked the Du Preez twins.
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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
19 Sept 2024, 17:04
#62
19 Sept 2024, 17:04#62
The genius is not perfect Anyone thinking Mostert is a test quality lock is certainly not perfect But that does not make him any less the best Bok coach we have ever had
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
20 Sept 2024, 14:32
#63
20 Sept 2024, 14:32#63

Ok

Lets get this straight and I have a question to you 3 - Mozart, Pakie and Mpower   Please tell us since Erasmus accordng to you is a rugby idiot ad a poor coach  - who do you 3 think should be the Springbok Head Coach and why.

   

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PakieCaptain17,321 posts
20 Sept 2024, 17:44
#64
20 Sept 2024, 17:44#64

Lets get this straight and I have a question to you 3 - Mozart, Pakie and Mpower   Please tell us since Erasmus accordng to you is a rugby idiot ad a poor coach

Perhaps after you tell me what gave you that idea.

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
20 Sept 2024, 20:49
#65
20 Sept 2024, 20:49#65

Go back tro your contuously on the fct Erasmus selct te wrong plaers, that he has no planing for player develop,emt mad tepacement;; that there is no dvelopment in Springbok rugby plannng and  implementation of attacking rugby/    

So a reucd your posts to the description you factually confrm our real thinking about Erasmus,  

But that is not the issue here - who in your mind should replace Erasmus as Sprngbok coach?  That is the question - one name pleas e.     

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