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New Springbok coach . . .

Started by Rooinek25 REPLIES910 VIEWS· 12 Jan 2016, 08:45
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RooinekCaptain18,117 posts
12 Jan 2016, 08:45
#1
12 Jan 2016, 08:45#1
Looks like bad news for those people wanting a foreigner to coach the Springboks.

According to this article from Sport24, the coach has to have a win percentage of at least 60% in the Currie Cup to be eligible. That pretty much excludes all foreigners with the exception of John Plumtree who is pretty much a South African through residence anyway.

There are a few other requirements . . .

"The new coach must boast an impressive CV, which includes a win percentage of at least 60% at Currie Cup level and higher.

The candidate must also have an impeccable record of working with the media and must understand SARU’s transformation goals with regards to the 2019 Rugby World Cup.


SARU’s goal is to have 50% black representation in the Springbok team by 2019.


SARU CEO Jurie Roux will drive the process of finding a new coach, with the final recommendation having to be approved by the general council when they next meet in late March."


My big problem is the 50% black representation by 2019. Don't get me wrong, I sincerely hope we are able to pick that many black players on merit but why should their representation be 50% when they only make up about 10% of the rugby-playing or rugby- following population?


If I saw a few rugby posts in black township schools then I'd think this might be feasible and I'd support it but the only black schools with rugby fields are still the township schools in the Eastern Cape.


South African rugby should be representative of the rugby-playing population. If SARU are able to increase the black rugby-playing population beyond the borders of the Eastern Cape then good for them but they seem to be making very little effort . . . they're just bowing to the politicians demands for quotas . . . and we know that some of those same politicians are small-minded and spiteful racists who have a sinister agenda to destroy South African rugby.

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RooinekCaptain18,117 posts
12 Jan 2016, 09:20
#2
12 Jan 2016, 09:20#2
Actually I'm mistaken. On second reading, they say "Currie Cup level and higher" so I guess that leaves it open for interpretation if the Aviva Premiership or NPC (for example) are at a similar or higher level to the Currie Cup.
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PlumCaptain21,007 posts
12 Jan 2016, 13:27
#4
12 Jan 2016, 13:27#4
 Also agree with you Rooi. I'm,about as far from racist as one can be but certainly think the Government has gone about this back to front. The industry I am involved in causes me to be very aware of the amount of money being spent on the building of schools.etc in the country. For example there are 400 brand new schools being built in the Easter Cape...100 are done and there 300 more to come. Now, while I think that is a great thing, there is a problem. These schools cost between 40 and 120 million each to build. A lot of cash. So my question: Why is hardly any money being spent on grass roots Rugby and Cricket for the same children that these schools are being built for. It's not like they have to build 400 stadiums. I reckon if they had just 20 to 40 clubs in the Transkei. These clubs coule consist of a field or two, a simple club house and maybe a small parking area. Trust me, the kids down there would love it and there would be a lot.of talent that would come out of just that one area. The start up cost...as compared to the rest of the construction happening around the country would be tiny. Lol...a field can be sorted out in a week easily and a clubhouse can be fully built in a month. So yeah, the ANC have not done what they should.be doing as concerns flgrass roots and I fully agree that their goal of 50% is ridiculous considering the current talent pool.
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PlumCaptain21,007 posts
12 Jan 2016, 13:45
#5
12 Jan 2016, 13:45#5
 haha Blikkies. I see Mr Mallet is winning the with Akkers in second place. Lol Coetzee has 3% of the votes...obviously a big fan favorite.
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generaltitPro3,164 posts
12 Jan 2016, 15:25
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12 Jan 2016, 15:25#6
I agree unanimously with all these comments...the cart before the horse scenario...transformation starts at grass roots...education and training and preparation...all we have here is selection based on race...even more rascialistic than the unfair leglislation of apartheid and it's snowballing into a situation of anger and resentment.

Everything in this country is going downhill...laziness,lawlessness and corruption and  fools that are so charged up by their their own prejudices,greed and resentments that they persecute the hen that lays the golden egg...we must understand that we are fools to the world but what frightens me is that these idiots are oblivious to reality...Zuma and the divisions of rule is not only a silly joke but a huge embarrassment to those who have some intelligence in this country...people said another Zimbabwe is coming...I counter-acted to this but I'm afraid I was wrong.

I personally see no future in this country...in every aspect...sport is just a side issue...economics and security are diminishing by bounds each year...education is the only way out but I'm afraid these present standards are low and it's being manipulated by thugs and criminals...the ostrich-head in the sand mentality.

We play the fiddle while "Rome" burns.

Sport to us is important but it's just a side issue...a red herring or bunny trail...the whole system is permeated with unfairness and this starts another form of resentfulness and prejudice but the World does not care...Africa is just a sideline to be manipulated and resources abstracted by larger nations with bigger problems and issues. Watched the movie "Rwanda Hotel"...big nations care sweet fanny adams about us and won't intervene...we are there to be exploited...Rhodesia/Zimbabwe/Zambia/Kenya and the Congo are no bodies to the world of USA, Russia, China and Japan...just rich in minerals and natural resources that can easily be exploited by manipulation...newspaper propaganda and false promises...the ordinary man in the street is a sheep and does not have the foggiest clue.
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
12 Jan 2016, 18:48
#7
12 Jan 2016, 18:48#7
 Plum and Rooinek
I see Mozart cast a vote as well - for Matfield.   Nobody else but Matfield himself will vote for him.
The delay in the appointment of a coach is outrageous and since it is shrouded in secrecy the outcome would be outrageous  as well.   I do not trust that lot at all - they have done nothing to enhance rugby at all.
 
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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
13 Jan 2016, 07:59
#8
13 Jan 2016, 07:59#8
 For a while ou rooitwit was making sense for once!!! Then he wrote this - South African rugby should be representative of the rugby-playing population.That is complete racist rubbish. You have moved away from merit.  Whayt happens if all your best players are say white. Then pick them. Ditto if they were black. Move away from merit and pick on colour so as to get demograhics "right" and you end up with racist selections.
This racist argument is used to discriminate in all walks of life in SA and has proved disasterous.
If you dont like racist sport I commend to you tennis and golf. You will not make it in either simply because of the colour of your skin. Both sports are also free of bent refs making them pleasant to watch. 
Bok rugby is in crises mode as anc interference threatens to make SA a second rate rugby nation. Things have been bad but could well get worse.
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CleanCutPro9,905 posts
13 Jan 2016, 08:34
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13 Jan 2016, 08:34#9
 
Once again this Government wants to reap the fruit from seed it didn't sow.

If they're not helping themselves to great big wads of cash they're standing with out stretched, cupped hands, insisting on handouts, insisting on having their way ... undeserved.

It's foolish to think that providing additional facilities would lure black kids to partake in the sport.

One merely has to cast you eye to the stadiums littered across the country to see which population group favours which sport.

There are more than sufficient facilities (clubs) spread across the country for those currently interested in rugby. If there were to be a sudden increase in interest then by all means provide what's needed ... till then that money could be used better elsewhere.

Best place to start is at school. Offer an alternative to soccer ... promote it to the youngsters ... and most importantly promote it to the parents of these youngsters as they tend to push their kids in a certain direction.

It's a lengthy process and should have been put in place 20 years ago. 

You cannot expect to reap a harvest of talented black rugby players if they were only introduced to the sport in their late teens ... and at club level.

It takes many a year to learn the art and to develop one's skill set.

Committed hard work and many hours spent is the only way to be successful ... in everything in life ... including this sport.

The sudden whim to become successful overnight belongs in fairy tales ... not in the real world.

That's why this Government is such a fcukup. They don't understand this basic concept. They cannot see that one has to prepare for tomorrow.




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bluebokPro3,977 posts
13 Jan 2016, 08:53
#10
13 Jan 2016, 08:53#10
The Springbok team will be 50% representative when 50% of the rugby players in South Africa are black. As it is, 90% of the rugby players are white...the sum just does not work!!   
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bobbok...Captain10,129 posts
13 Jan 2016, 09:29
#11
13 Jan 2016, 09:29#11
 They don't give a vok about the sport ......its all about having control & they're well aware (& loving it) of the existential angst that their interference in our treasured game causes with many of its followers . But how can it ever change for the better when the sports administrators are muppet/puppets ?

Hope I'm wrong but I predict that our rugby prowess will gradually diminish & our racist Bokke, ranked 6th, will have an abbreviated stay at the next RWC .


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CleanCutPro9,905 posts
13 Jan 2016, 09:34
#12
13 Jan 2016, 09:34#12
 
I don't agree bluebok ...the Springbok rugby team should be selected purely on merit. 

Race representation is offensive ... racist ... and the origin of it belongs to a people who carry and will forever carry very large chips on their shoulders.

They deem themselves as inferior ... not only in sport ... but in the work place too ... hence all the affirmative action policies ... and enforced quotas in sport.

They are determined to partake ... no matter the cost ...  




 
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bluebokPro3,977 posts
13 Jan 2016, 10:51
#13
13 Jan 2016, 10:51#13
Clean...I am 100% for merit only selections! If 50% of the rugby players in SA were black, we would, theoretically anyway, be able to select a national side that had 50% black players...based on merit.  
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PlumCaptain21,007 posts
13 Jan 2016, 15:04
#14
13 Jan 2016, 15:04#14
And it does beg the question...why has nothing been done by international.sporting bodies against quotas? It directly violates international rugby, cricket, soccer and athletics regulations. I know why. Because every little bit of instability in the third world, in some way benefits developed countries. Cynical I know. But I can't think of any other reason.
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BlikkiesPro1,526 posts
13 Jan 2016, 21:24
#15
13 Jan 2016, 21:24#15

 "I know why. Because every little bit of instability in the third world, in some way benefits developed countries. Cynical I know. But I can't think of any other reason."


I tell you why. The International Rugby(IRB) and Soccer (FIFA) federations are all spineless bodies and mostly corrupted as well. They did not had the courage to expose all the irregularities. Was it not for the FBI who exposed FIFA, all this would still be under the carpet. One can just hope that some intervention will occur in rugby as well, because only a few individuals are killing the sport (and the careers of some players) - like Haroon Lorgat in cricket and Oregan Hoskins in rugby.


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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
18 Jan 2016, 00:38
#16
18 Jan 2016, 00:38#16
Its going to be useless Coetzee sadly......the writing is on the wall......he is the right colour.....the fact that he has a crap record means nothing  
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CleanCutPro9,905 posts
18 Jan 2016, 08:39
#17
18 Jan 2016, 08:39#17
 
Poepol going off on a tangent again.

Put the spliff down man.

Book yourself into a rehab facility, you friggin pothead.

Don't you know that paranoia is a side effect of smoking that sh!t?



 


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PlumCaptain21,007 posts
18 Jan 2016, 09:50
#18
18 Jan 2016, 09:50#18
I dunno Saffex. The delay in picking the coach could mean one of two things...for me. 1) They have delayed it because they don't want to make it too obvious that they have picked Coetzee because of the color of his skin and he has also requested a bit more time to cash in in Japan. Or... 2) Coetzee was considered but they thought better of it and are genuinely looking for a good coach. I really doubt the next coach will be an Afrikaans guy. I think they only way to appease the ANC will be for them to either hire a local coach of color or a foreign coach. Problem with a foreign coach is that there are not many, if any, non-white good foreign coaches. I really hope it's not Coetzee, but i doubt anyone can do worse than Meyer. His tenure was much worse than Divvy's in my opinion. Everything from the style of rugby, to results to the horrible buddy buddy selections he made...i hated it! De Jong will be Coetzee's De Villiers haha.
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
18 Jan 2016, 11:29
#19
18 Jan 2016, 11:29#19
 Coetzee is 100% oblivious about backline play - he was so poor that White had to bring Eddie Jones on board to deal with that issue.   His tenure with the Stormers proved that over and over again.  The man is not a coach - he is a club coach promoted way above his level of competence.  
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Rassie Coach of the YearRookie31 posts
18 Jan 2016, 13:59
#20
18 Jan 2016, 13:59#20
" Coetzee is 100% oblivious about backline play - he was so poor that Meyer had to bring Eddie Jones on board to deal with that issue."   
Obsession with Meyer? Like they say in Afr! kaans.....: "Wat die hart van vol is, loop die mond  van  oor".
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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
18 Jan 2016, 14:52
#21
18 Jan 2016, 14:52#21

Plum, its going to be Coetzee.......the only other SA option is Ackers but they will say he is too inexperienced.


SA are too stupid to appoint the best coach ie a foreigner  

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CeradynePro9,374 posts
18 Jan 2016, 15:15
#22
18 Jan 2016, 15:15#22
 Saff, in al seriousness, which foreign coach/es are we talking about? Remember that it has to be someone who is  both available and willing/prepared to do the job. As far as I can see, all the top coaches are already involved and I cannot see any of them  prepared to put up with the SA set-up. 
We have never been prepared to give any coach an extended run. We have always had some political sideshows meddling with the coach's job. 
We have always had fickle provincialism and above all we have never had a coach who had the general support of the whole supporter's base over his entire tenure. Not one. The last one who had the general support was probably Kitch Christie and he was not in the seat long enough to make a few mistakes. Had his health not put an end to his career, he would surely have picked up a few losses and my bet is that as soon as that happened he would also have had to start dodging the bullets.
PS. I am not simply trying to start an argument for the sake of starting one. That is seriously my point of view.

AJ
Arthur JohnPro1,748 posts
18 Jan 2016, 16:39
#23
18 Jan 2016, 16:39#23
 Guys forget about ever correcting the ANC policies.
They are hell bent on enforcing their agenda at all cost.
In fact the problem is that nobody wishes to go against the "POLITICAL CORRECT" climate that has taken over everything from sport to u name it.
If anyone even suggests anything that could somehow be linked to color or religion they are labelled as RACIST or BIGOTS.
But no fear at this rate we will soon be praying five times a day facing east and sitting on the floor eating with your left hand.
So who cares?

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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
18 Jan 2016, 23:23
#24
18 Jan 2016, 23:23#24
Vlag I'm guessing any of the top Super 15 Kiwi coaches would welcome the chance to coach a test side
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CeradynePro9,374 posts
19 Jan 2016, 00:59
#25
19 Jan 2016, 00:59#25
 True they would welcome the chance to coach a national side but the SA National side?
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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
19 Jan 2016, 01:02
#26
19 Jan 2016, 01:02#26
You have a point but it would be worth asking.....we just cant go down the Coetzee route....he is no better than Meyer.....we cant possibly endure another 4 years like the last.....make it 8 years thanks to that other idiot P diddy
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