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New Zealand - Educatioal Needs

Started by clevermike6 REPLIES359 VIEWS· 22 Dec 2012, 04:15
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
22 Dec 2012, 04:15
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22 Dec 2012, 04:15#1

There is a  really major problem in dealing with  New Zealanders insofar as sport education is concerned - they simply would not listen to well-meant advice.   Insofar as rugby is concerned they are much like the personal opinions about themselves the Australains and Yankees have.   Not realizing that they are in many respects introverted - the latter two nations always believe sincerely that they are so good in all aspects of life that they cannot speak to highly of themselves.   In the  meantime the Yanks are probably the most introverted people in the world - surrveys previously indicated that 50% of the Yanks do not know the name of the nearest town from the one they are staying in and that only 10% of their populace ever had passports to travel outside of America - and that 10% includes members of the US Army.

Living on two remote islands in the Pacific - the people of New Zealand has a restricted view of the world in general. - but it is to their credit that they do make use of on-line media to augment their knowledge.   Nice people in general - but they go into uncontrollable rage when anybody dare to say anything that they regard as negative comments on the All Blacks Rugby Team.   Even the mildest suggestions that there are signs of deficiencies that needs to be considered to ensure that the All Blacks retain the Rugby Worls Cup  in 2015 are met with howls of protest.

In essence I think that there are certain minor problems (minor at this stage - but it could become worse if not attended to)  that needs to be borne iin mind.   Those essentially relates to forward play.   However, then came the Twickenham disaster - and insted of taking note of the ramifications as prviously dealt with - other excuses are identified and the real problem issues are swept under the carpet.   My considered opinion is still - look carefully at some minor deficiencies in forward play and try and eliminate them before they get really problematic.

Now something not rugby-related where urgent advice is necessary - and that relates to the gentlemenly game of cricket.   After all - there is the ancient saying that RUGBY IS A GAME FOR  ROGUES    PLAYED BY GENTLEMEN - CRICKET IS A GAME FOR GENTLEMEN PLAYED BY ROGUES.

Let me explain - instead of uppng theor perforances in all levels of cricket - they have serious infighting leading to the dropping of a capable captain in a most disgusting manner.   No wonder they collapsed into a heap of shit last night in the Twenty-20 game against SA..  Scoring only 86 runs all out in 18,2 overs is really disgraceful.   No wonder the South Africans reached that total in 12,1 overs with 8 wickets to spare.

This really is a new-look SA team with youngish players not normally playing for SA.   I was particularly looking out at how the 19 year-old Quinton De Kock performs in his first game playing for the SA National squad.    As a wicket keeper his performance in that Department was flawless and of high standard.   He followed that up with an excllent batting display scoring 28 not out off just 23 balls.   This little bugger - he physically looks like a smallish 16 year-old school boy - can really hit a cricket ball hard.  After a few brilliant fours - it was interesting to see how the Black Caps  scurry around to change their fielding positions in a desperate attmept to slow down  the flow of runs from his bat.   Read this in bold capital letters - THIS GUY IS A STAR IN THE MAKING THAT IN YEARS TO COME WOULD BE THE BEST WICKET KEEPER EVER IN THE GAME OF CRICKET.    Gilchrist. Heany and Boucher were to date probably the best keepers who ever played the game of cricket - thiss one is going to be better.   

 

 

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poi-ePro1,044 posts
22 Dec 2012, 13:17
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22 Dec 2012, 13:17#2

 Surely a post with more sweeping generalisations has never been written...I also find it a tad on the ironic side you passing judgement on NZ's educational needs when you can't even spell 'educational'...in short your post is ill informed and based purely on your interactions with kiwis on a message board, doubt you've even been to NZ...dumb as a brick.

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
22 Dec 2012, 13:34
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22 Dec 2012, 13:34#3

poi-e

You really are one of the most ignornt females of the species I have ever seen in my life.  I never really think you have ever been outside New Zealand and for you that is the center of the universe.   I have NOT been to New Zealand - but have visited Australia repeatedly - basiclly to watch rugby games played there and have visited most countries in Europe - some in Asia and some in Africa.   So I have been around learning one thing - namely insular idiocy is a disease - and you have more than enough of that.

I have never passed judgement on New Zealand at all in any respect - all I tried was to enlighten them on some really minor problems - so if that is not to your taste - go off and learn something about life.

 

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DennyCaptain12,893 posts
22 Dec 2012, 14:09
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22 Dec 2012, 14:09#4

Mike, poi-e is a male not a female.

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poi-ePro1,044 posts
22 Dec 2012, 15:33
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22 Dec 2012, 15:33#5

So again I'll ask you, having not been to NZ how have you formed your opinion of New Zealand's educational short comings?  

 

 

If John Key is ever in the market for a social commentator with the IQ of a squirrel I'll pass on your details...btw Australia is not NZ.

 

 

ps, thanks for the tip Den, I've told Mike my gender and the countries I'd visited a couple of months back but like the irony of his opening post I'm pretty sure it just washed right over him..

 

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polyboyClub Pro601 posts
22 Dec 2012, 15:58
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22 Dec 2012, 15:58#6

Clevermike, I would take your post seriously but you keep pointing to the AB/England loss as a portent of doom for the AB's and NZ rugby. Which is why we have selectors to address weakness's in fact all rugby playing countries have them.  But this has been SA fans opinion since the AB's have been on top,  in retrospect you could look at your observations as looking for any deficiency in the AB game to explain why they aren't that good despite their record compared to other nations. Its' like saying SA lost more games in 2012 but because they didn't lose in UK then they are the better team. You could say the humbling by the AB's in SA points to glaring deficits in SA rugby but hey game is done and dusted.  Logic is what you make of it.  Won't comment on cricket cause hate the bloody game. Should allow tackling between wickets to liven it up. NZ I think has the 8th best educational system in the world according to a recent article I read here in USA, and New Zealanders do live on 2 isolated islands which probably explains why so many do the big OE in their 20's to expand their knowledge and worldly experience, Kiwi's are pretty well travelled lot. Agree there can be some preciousness about AB rugby but the same can be said about Bok rugby as well though like to think it is confined to a small few.  Merry xmas and happy new year Clevermike.

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All Black NZClub Pro105 posts
23 Dec 2012, 12:06
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23 Dec 2012, 12:06#7
Rank Country Education index 2007 data Change compared to 2006 data 2007 data Change compared to 2006 data 1 New Zealand 0.993 1 Finland 0.993 1 Denmark 0.993 1 Australia 0.993 1 (8) Cuba 0.993 0.017 6 (1) Canada 0.991 7 Norway 0.989 8 (1) Republic of Korea 0.988 9 (1) Ireland 0.985 9 (1) Netherlands 0.985 11 (1) Greece 0.981 0.001 12 (1) Iceland 0.980 13 (1) United States 0.978 14 (1) Armenia 0.976 15 Luxembourg 0.975 15 (2) Spain 0.975 0.004 15 (20) Barbados 0.975 0.035 18 (1) Sweden 0.974 18 (1) Belgium 0.974 20 (1) Slovenia 0.969 21 (1) France 0.968 21 (1) Lithuania 0.968 23 Italy 0.965 23 (2) Kazakhstan 0.965 0.001 25 (1) Estonia 0.964 26 (1) Austria 0.962 27 (1) Latvia 0.961 27 Belarus 0.961 0.003 29 (2) Hungary 0.960 29 Ukraine 0.960 0.004 31 (2) United Kingdom 0.957 32 (1) Uruguay 0.955 33 (1) Germany 0.954 34 (1) Poland 0.952 35 (1) Japan 0.949 35 N/A Liechtenstein 0.949 N/A 37 (2) Israel 0.947 38 (2) Argentina 0.946 39 (2) Antigua and Barbuda 0.945 40 (2) Guyana 0.939 41 (2) Czech Republic 0.938 42 (2) Switzerland 0.936 43 (2) Russia 0.933 44 (2) Bulgaria 0.930 45 (1) Portugal 0.929 0.002 46 (3) Slovakia 0.928 47 (23) Venezuela 0.921 0.035 48 (3) Tonga 0.920 49 (2) Chile 0.919 0.001 50 (4) Kyrgyzstan 0.918 0.001 51 (3) Croatia 0.916 0.001 52 (3) Romania 0.915 0.001 53 (40) Singapore 0.913 0.070 53 (4) Mongolia 0.913 55 (4) Cyprus 0.910 0.001 56 (3) Turkmenistan 0.906 0.001 57 (4) Samoa 0.905 58 (4) Georgia 0.902 59 (4) Moldova 0.899 0.001 60 Libya 0.898 0.004 61 (4) Saint Kitts and Nevis 0.896 61 (3) Tajikistan 0.896 63 (1) Bahrain 0.893 0.003 64 (9) Bolivia 0.892 0.007 65 (4) Brunei 0.891 65 (4) Montenegro 0.891 65 (4) Serbia 0.891 65 (2) Brazil 0.891 65 (4) Peru 0.891 0.006 70 (12) Saint Lucia 0.889 71 N/A Qatar 0.888 N/A 71 (5) Panama 0.888 0.001 71 (2) Thailand 0.888 0.002 71 (6) Philippines 0.888 0.001 71 (10) Uzbekistan 0.888 0.002 76 (5) Malta 0.887 0.007 77 (6) Mexico 0.886 0.007 77 (9) Seychelles 0.886 77 (10) Albania 0.886 77 (3) Palestinian Authority 0.886 0.002 81 (5) Maldives 0.885 0.001 82 (7) Grenada 0.884 83 (5) Costa Rica 0.883 0.001 84 (3) Colombia 0.881 0.005 84 (3) Azerbaijan 0.881 86 (2) Republic of Macedonia 0.880 0.001 87 (5) Hong Kong 0.879 88 (3) Bahamas 0.878 88 N/A Andorra 0.878 N/A 90 (2) Bosnia and Herzegovina 0.874 91 (1) Kuwait 0.872 0.005 92 (2) Paraguay 0.871 0.006 Rank Country Education index 2007 data Change compared to 2006 data 2007 data Change compared to 2006 data 93 (13) Jordan 0.870 0.010 94 (5) Fiji 0.868 95 (9) Ecuador 0.866 0.011 96 (3) Trinidad and Tobago 0.861 97 (1) Lebanon 0.857 0.012 98 (1) Malaysia 0.851 0.003 98 (2) China 0.851 0.002 100 (5) Suriname 0.850 0.002 101 (5) Dominica 0.848 102 (1) Gabon 0.843 0.005 102 (3) South Africa 0.843 0.003 104 Indonesia 0.840 0.006 105 (2) Mauritius 0.839 0.003 105 (4) Dominican Republic 0.839 0.002 107 (1) United Arab Emirates 0.838 0.010 108 (2) Jamaica 0.834 0.004 108 (4) Sri Lanka 0.834 110 Saudi Arabia 0.828 0.013 110 (4) Turkey 0.828 0.004 112 (3) Saint Vincent and the Grenadines 0.817 113 Sao Tome and Principe 0.813 0.003 114 (2) Namibia 0.811 0.003 115 (4) Vietnam 0.810 116 (1) Honduras 0.806 0.006 117 (1) El Salvador 0.798 118 (4) Iran 0.793 0.011 119 (1) Oman 0.790 0.003 120 (1) Botswana 0.788 0.005 121 (2) Equatorial Guinea 0.787 121 (5) Myanmar 0.787 123 (5) Cape Verde 0.786 0.001 124 Syria 0.773 0.006 125 Tunisia 0.772 0.004 126 Belize 0.762 127 (5) Nicaragua 0.760 0.014 128 (1) Lesotho 0.753 129 (1) Algeria 0.748 0.005 130 (7) Congo 0.736 0.033 131 (1) Swaziland 0.731 132 (1) Vanuatu 0.729 0.006 133 (2) Guatemala 0.723 0.014 134 (2) Cambodia 0.704 0.004 135 (2) Uganda 0.698 0.006 136 (7) Egypt 0.697 0.034 137 (3) Kenya 0.690 138 (2) Malawi 0.685 0.006 139 (4) Laos 0.683 0.001 140 Zambia 0.682 0.018 141 (3) Solomon Islands 0.676 141 (3) Madagascar 0.676 0.005 143 (2) Tanzania 0.673 0.012 144 (18) Angola 0.667 0.132 145 (2) Nigeria 0.657 0.009 146 (6) Comoros 0.655 0.004 147 (3) India 0.643 0.005 148 (3) Cameroon 0.627 0.005 148 (2) Ghana 0.627 0.017 150 (2) Democratic Republic of the Congo 0.608 0.049 151 (4) Rwanda 0.607 152 (3) Haiti 0.588 0.010 153 (3) Nepal 0.579 0.002 153 (9) Yemen 0.579 0.045 155 (3) Morocco 0.574 0.012 156 (3) Liberia 0.562 0.005 157 (2) Burundi 0.559 0.004 158 (5) Djibouti 0.554 159 Guinea-Bissau 0.545 0.011 160 Mauritania 0.552 0.003 161 (1) Sudan 0.539 161 (2) Eritrea 0.539 0.025 163 (5) Togo 0.534 0.009 164 (9) Bhutan 0.533 0.020 165 (2) Bangladesh 0.530 0.006 166 (2) Papua New Guinea 0.521 0.002 167 (1) Pakistan 0.492 168 (1) Mozambique 0.478 0.004 169 (1) Côte d'Ivoire 0.450 170 (1) Benin 0.445 0.005 171 (1) Gambia 0.439 172 (1) Central African Republic 0.419 173 (1) Senegal 0.417 174 Ethiopia 0.403 0.013 174 (2) Sierra Leone 0.403 0.006 176 (1) Guinea 0.361 177 N/A Afghanistan 0.354 N/A 178 (1) Chad 0.334 179 (3) Mali 0.331 0.031 180 (1) Burkina Faso 0.301 0.015 181 (3)
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