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New Zealand field eight players during match-leveling try at Sydney Sevens; by TOM DECENT; Rugby Stuff

Started by Just_win19 REPLIES496 VIEWS· 06 Feb 2016, 17:51
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JW
Just_winCaptain18,570 posts
06 Feb 2016, 17:51
#1
06 Feb 2016, 17:51#1

It appears New Zealand's sevens side has managed to sneak an eighth player onto the field during the heart-stopping final passage of play which saw them score a try after full-time to level the scores. 

With possession of the ball in their own half and trailing by seven points, Gordon Tietjens' side decided to go right and managed to zigzag their way through Australia's scrambling defence who were unable to stop the final five-pointer. 

However, footage has emerged of what appears to be eight New Zealanders on the field while attacking Australia's line moments before Ardie Savea sunk the hearts of the locals who had to settle with a 17-all draw.

Australia are set to play England in the quarterfinals on Sunday, but World Rugby officials may ask for a please explain from the New Zealanders whose schoolboy error could potentially see them lose all points for the match. 

With eight players on the field, more than half of the New Zealand side touched the ball in the ensuing play which lead to a try. 

If points were stripped from the draw, Australia would top Pool A and take on the USA instead, with New Zealand taking on England.

It is unclear at this stage whether or not New Zealand's slip-up will affect the bearing of upcoming matches. 

New Zealand defeated Canada 27-12 and Portugal 40-5 in their earlier pool matches.

Earlier, Australia mustered their best performance of the inaugural world sevens tournament in Sydney after racing to a 17-5 lead at halftime. 

It took just 38 seconds for New Zealand to take the lead as Rieko Ioane made a break down the left side. Greg Jeloudev thought he had extra cover, but the speed of Ioane was too much for him. 

Aussie skipper Ed Jenkins hit back in style, making a similar run down the opposite flank and but James Stannard's missed conversion meant the scores remained level at a try apiece. 

After some audacious ball movement from wing to wing by the Aussies, Stannard produced a Johnathan Thurston-like dummy before crashing over to put Australia ahead 17-5 at the main break. 

Andy Friend looked a measured man at halftime, knowing the job was not completely done, but somewhat satisfied his players had orchestrated their best seven minutes of the tournament. 

Australia and New Zealand both chalked up two wins each and finish equal on points at the conclusion of three games. New Zealand finished above them on for-and-against. 

Australia captain Ed Jenkins admitted the draw was somewhat "bittersweet" but said his side would be making sure they were ready for England come 12.19pm on Sunday. 

"Either way we have to win that first game tomorrow morning so it doesn't matter," Jenkins said.

"We've made that mistake before where we haven't turned up and we've been done and dusted and then you're playing for the plate, so we want to go all the way and that means winning that first up game.

"They [New Zealand] took it out last week and for us to come that close we probably should have shut them out at the end of the game.

"A bit disappointing, but we can look at the way that we didn't lose a game today."

 - Sydney Morning Herald

 

JW
Just_winCaptain18,570 posts
06 Feb 2016, 17:52
#2
06 Feb 2016, 17:52#2
 Oops, this will rile up a few of the opposition fans
MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
06 Feb 2016, 18:02
#3
06 Feb 2016, 18:02#3
 One, two, three, four, five, six.....er.....eight.  Isn't  there is an app that helps Oakes from NZ with this kind of higher mathematics?
JW
Just_winCaptain18,570 posts
06 Feb 2016, 18:05
#4
06 Feb 2016, 18:05#4
 Mozart, thanks for assuming the mistake was genuine, others won't be so generous.
MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
06 Feb 2016, 18:09
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06 Feb 2016, 18:09#5
I have great respect for your guys ability to make genuine mistakes.
sharkbok
sharkbokCaptain23,276 posts
06 Feb 2016, 18:26
#6
06 Feb 2016, 18:26#6
Why does this type of stuff follow NewZealand around? Surely and player coming on or off should be manged by the referee....
CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
06 Feb 2016, 18:27
#7
06 Feb 2016, 18:27#7
 If this was the case - then it is not the first time it happened.   In the Las Vegas final a few years ago against SA - New Zealand also had 8 players on the field until during a break the referee found it out and sent one player packing.  The question arises - is this standard procedure with the New Zealabnd team or is it simply the case that they cannot count?   What is disturbing is it happened twice when the AB's were behind in the point count.
If it is true the NZ team should be disqualified from further participation in this tournament.    Don't tell me Tietjens was not aware of the fact that he had 8 players on the field of play.      
BR
BrycyPro4,671 posts
06 Feb 2016, 19:02
#8
06 Feb 2016, 19:02#8

 ...not so clevermike shouldn't you be demanding an apology from the referee in question here and see he is removed from the circuit forthwith...ultimately it's his responsibility how many players he allows on the field isn't it...

..hopefully it wasn't a case of another clueless SA referee that has embarrassed himself again here as their reputations have already been completely shot to pieces at the RWC...someone needs to educate them on the rules of the game...

JW
Just_winCaptain18,570 posts
06 Feb 2016, 19:19
#9
06 Feb 2016, 19:19#9
Brycy, yes the have to do something about these refs, espe scially the SA ones. If there were in fact 8 players on the field heads should roll
CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
06 Feb 2016, 19:33
#10
06 Feb 2016, 19:33#10
 I do not know who was the ref - but the only way it could have happened is with the change of players - three players come off and three move on.  When the ref turns his back one of the three departures turns around and does not leave the field of play.
One has to be very careful - it happened in the past, so the question remains is this standard practice on the part of NZ teams and players - it has never happened in the case of any other teams.   
If there was indeed 8 players on the field of play as was the case in  a previous Sevens final - then the AB's should be disqualified from this Tournament and allocated zero points.  They should be taught a serious lesson - namely that cheating does not count. 
If it is proved to be true it is indeed a pity.   Last week the AB's won a  final with the active help of the referee - this weak they themselves cheated outright.            
BR
BrycyPro4,671 posts
06 Feb 2016, 19:44
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06 Feb 2016, 19:44#11
 ...I'm guessing the touch judges had their backs turned at the same time as well..alot of pretty girls in the crowd so who could blame them ?
MO
moolaaPro2,380 posts
06 Feb 2016, 21:07
#12
06 Feb 2016, 21:07#12
 How long was the 8th player on for Mike?2 minutes?27 seconds?20 seconds?2 seconds?And was his name O'Brien, O'Neill or perhaps Lawrence?
DB
DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
06 Feb 2016, 22:14
#13
06 Feb 2016, 22:14#13
 Moolaa, was it an accident? Was it deliberate?  HTF can it be unintentional.  If you ad one, one must come off, you don't even have to be able to count to 7. It doesn't matter how long, deliberate or not, it's cheating.
sharkbok
sharkbokCaptain23,276 posts
06 Feb 2016, 22:53
#14
06 Feb 2016, 22:53#14
It is very simple. If a player goes onto the field, then another player must leave. Players will often high 5 as one leaves whilst the other enters the fray. 
A player cant just walk onto the field by themselves. This has to be managed by the referee.

It is sad that New Zealand as a good rugby nation is associated with cheating so often 
Mccaw (say no more), Bryce Lawrence, the recent New Zealand 7's final fiasco, and this is not the first time this has happened. 
JW
Just_winCaptain18,570 posts
06 Feb 2016, 23:14
#15
06 Feb 2016, 23:14#15
As Beeno is not bleating his usual refrain on this subject it is safe to assume everything is above board
MO
moolaaPro2,380 posts
07 Feb 2016, 01:07
#16
07 Feb 2016, 01:07#16
 Draad, deliberate is cheating, accidental is just illegal!Either way, High Horse Mike is right; the ABs should be stripped of every win they've ever  had since 1905......
CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
07 Feb 2016, 01:22
#17
07 Feb 2016, 01:22#17
 moolaa
I never said anything like you now carried on about.   I said that if the allegation is true - the AB's should be penalized by being eliminated from THIS Tournament only.
MO
moolaaPro2,380 posts
07 Feb 2016, 06:09
#18
07 Feb 2016, 06:09#18
 Just watched the replay of the OZ vs NZ pool game and the ABs definitely had 8 players on the field in the last movement of the game.World Rugby however has announced there will be no change to the result as the independent commission set up to investigate the issue found no reason to change anything.Messrs O'Brien, O'Brien, Lawrence, McCaw and Hansen said that the ABs are by far the best team in the tournament anyway and are allowed a "mulligan".....
sharkbok
sharkbokCaptain23,276 posts
07 Feb 2016, 06:31
#19
07 Feb 2016, 06:31#19
.dup
DE
DennyCaptain12,893 posts
07 Feb 2016, 08:36
#20
07 Feb 2016, 08:36#20
 * New Zealand may well still have their title stripped from them after World Rugby advised they are investigating a claim where the All Blacks used eight players on the field in their final game on day one.

All eight were involved in the final try, which levelled the match at 17-all in the final minute of the game."


Kinda nails it.

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