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Nkosi has mental health problems and so has Elton Jantjies - both are destined to be out of international rugby

Started by clevermike19 REPLIES1,861 VIEWS· 07 Dec 2022, 06:54
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
07 Dec 2022, 06:54
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07 Dec 2022, 06:54#1

The Nkosi story has received widespread coverage in the media and he is obviously not going to  have his contract with the Bulls extended and is likely to have a dim future in playing competitive rugby on both franchise and national level,   


However - now it is the problem with Jantjies that got media attention as is proven by the following media report:-


 A few weeks ago, Jantjies said he is focusing on his mental health to ensure he gets his ‘personal life and career back on track’.


 The statement came after the experienced flyhalf and team dietician Zeenat Simjee had been released from the Bok camp after reports of an alleged tryst between the two, which Jantjies recently admitted to.


It’s led to one of the most dramatic stories in South African sports history, while it increasingly appears that Jantjies’ Springboks career is indefinitely on hold.

According to City Press, the latest twist in the struggles of Jantjies relates to his disagreement with agent James Adams, who is said to have sued the Springboks flyhalf for breach of contract due to unpaid money.

The report states that Jantjies accepted a plea agreement in court documents, and paid R300 000 to Adams’ agency, In Touch Sports. However, he allegedly owed a total of R800 000.

Jantjies has now dramatically claimed that so-called gang members were sent to his home to collect the rest of the money. A City Press source states that the ‘debt collectors’ got another R150 000 from Jantjies, who has reportedly filed a complaint with World Rugby over the dispute with his former agent.

Meanwhile, in a wide-ranging interview on the latest edition of Rugby Pass’ ‘Offload Podcast’, Jantjies recently said he spent a fortnight at the Harmony ‘rehab clinic’ in Cape Town to treat insomnia and take a “mental break” from rugby and intense media scrutiny.

He also revealed that it was Rassie Erasmus who played a key role in helping him check into the clinic.

“For me, personally, it (the main priority) is just to focus on my family, I have got a break and this is the reason why I am here, and then afterwards I will probably get back to rugby and that is the main two things I will stick with.

“I was in a facility in Cape Town just for like two weeks. I had a chat with Rassie and he told me he has got a spot where I can just switch off mentally and then afterwards I can get a break with my family.

“My main thing was just to switch off from a psychological point of view, especially with all the media going on. And all the speculation, they keep on speculating until they probably want me to speak up but I don’t get involved in media stuff.”

Jantjies added that the support of Erasmus meant a lot to him.

“Yeah, a big help, massive help. He took me there (to the clinic) and we chatted and I said, ‘Coach, I think it is a great idea. Let’s do it’. From his perspective whatever he tells me I’ll do it 99.9 percent.

“Hopefully, a lot of the boys can say the same things. He is a good friend for me and a good coach as well, he is very honest with me. I take his opinions in high regard.”

In a recent interview with News24, Jantjies admitted to the affair with Simjee, opening up about the pain caused and how he is working towards repairing the damage done. The article also states that he made the confession to his wife, Iva, who is also quoted in the article and states that they are unlikely to be romantically involved ever again.

Jantjies also said he had completely cut communication with Simjee, and reportedly added that he was “amazed” she was back in the Bok camp.

“At the end of the day what happened, happened. I am not proud of it, but I am learning to deal with it and start afresh. My family is my life and right now I am working on getting my rugby career back on track. This has honestly been one of the worst experiences of my life.”

Recently it was also reported that Jantjies was reportedly treated for ‘drug addiction’ as part of the ‘professional help’ he has sought out. However, he said in the interview that he has “no mental health issues”.

Although he previously denied the affair in a statement, Jantjies said this was not written by him and that he regretted placing his trust on others to do “damage control” on his behalf.

The Springbok stalwart has continued to post regularly to his instagram account, showing him hard at work in the gym and doing various boxing sessions, which remains another sport that he is extremely passionate about.

His social media accounts have also shown him reunited with his family, while sharing messages of love just several weeks after the bombshell news had come to light.”

Even though Jantjies received help from Erasmus in trying to get over his mental health issues it must be borne in mind that he is in serious trouble from a rugby player perspective and is unlikely to play international rugby in future.   Erasmus from a humanitarian point of view is helping him - recovery is going to be difficult and getting back into the Springbok squad is going to be virtually impossible unless there is a massive improvement in performances on his part.   At this stage it is clear that all of Libbok, Goosen and Willemse is ahead of him when it comes to playing for the Springboks at flyhalf.       

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Devil's AdvocatePro7,008 posts
07 Dec 2022, 09:34
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07 Dec 2022, 09:34#2

I see

So one can abuse drugs.... renege on legal financial commitments..... be charged with reckless or disorderly conduct and behaviour..........oh.... and also cheat on your wife for months...... and then blame it all on mental health.....

What a crock of shit 

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
07 Dec 2022, 14:17
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07 Dec 2022, 14:17#3

DA

Whether Nkosi or Jantjies blame anything for their poor conduct and behavior is not the issue - it is merely an issue to show that there is still some humanity left in SA Rugby to try and help the hopeless.   My contention is both are finished in international rugby with a serious question mark on their franchise selection as well.      

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PlumCaptain21,007 posts
07 Dec 2022, 14:38
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07 Dec 2022, 14:38#4
Ja, they both suffer from a mental health issue called BAA. The medical term for it is Being An Asshole. I think Rooi suffers from the same disabling malady.
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Devil's AdvocatePro7,008 posts
07 Dec 2022, 15:27
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07 Dec 2022, 15:27#5

"Whether Nkosi or Jantjies blame anything for their poor conduct and behavior is not the issue"

What a hugely insensitive and disrespectful thing to say when there are people out there who genuinely battle with mental health issues every single day..... especially war heroes and emergency personnel who have seen the most atrocious things...

Cheating on your wife, whilst she is at home thousands of km's away... bringing up your own children, is one of the most low class things that any man could do.... and then to still blame it on mental health.... just makes that person a complete and utter fuck up....

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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
07 Dec 2022, 15:27
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07 Dec 2022, 15:27#6
Wow Fruitloop it was quite easy working out what a complete twat you are but calling a lad suffering from mental health issues ‘being an asshole’ kind of confirms the insensitive low life you are You are one fucked up sad excuse for a human being Let me guess not only are you a racist, you probably think men are too tough to suffer mental health issues? Scum of the highest order No doubt you are homophobic as well?
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PlumCaptain21,007 posts
07 Dec 2022, 16:13
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07 Dec 2022, 16:13#7
He was dead a moment a ago. Now he’s Saffex’s(note my correct use of the possessive case) best pal and just so fragile. Of course men can suffer from mental health issues…you’re living proof that. They can suffer with mental health and debilitating chubbyness simultaneously. Again, see Wobbler for proof.
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
07 Dec 2022, 16:16
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07 Dec 2022, 16:16#8

DA

You obviously missed totally what I was trying to convey.   I did not discard the issue - but am looking at what will happen to their rugby career in future - nothing more.   Both of the two went through a period of poor performances for a while now and there are better youngsters coming through.    Their level of performances probably caused the mental problems they encountered.    As to Jantjies I am afraid mental problems would not necessarily cause extra-marital sexual conduct - it just shows he is a BAA as plum stated.          

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Devil's AdvocatePro7,008 posts
07 Dec 2022, 17:03
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07 Dec 2022, 17:03#9

"You obviously missed totally what I was trying to convey.

"Whether Nkosi or Jantjies blame anything for their poor conduct and behavior is not the issue"

Hopefully the penny drops for you Mike..... because as you can see....it actually is the issue..... people like Elton Jantjies should stop trying to justify extra marital affairs, drug use and failing to comply with legal or financial commitments... to mental health issues.... because doing all those things only makes you a parasite to society, not suffering from mental health.

AJ
AJHPro3,183 posts
07 Dec 2022, 17:24
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07 Dec 2022, 17:24#10

Simple.

Since when has a "Hard-On" ever been related to mental health and shown any sign of "Guilt".

"Suicide-Pass" Jantjies has had a reputation long before this latest "Humping" incident.

When you are caught with "No pants" a easy way out is to claim "mental health issues" and get the suckers to fall for it.

Old saying: A stiff prick has no conscience.

Plain and simple.

Live with it sucker.

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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
07 Dec 2022, 17:29
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07 Dec 2022, 17:29#11
But for you Fruitloop, Nkosi is an asshole huh? Wow
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kingcornPro3,695 posts
07 Dec 2022, 17:30
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07 Dec 2022, 17:30#12

Well, there is an old saying in Afrikaans, vroeg ruip vroeg vrot, early ripe early rotten. Or sometimes my grandparents would say to my sister, monie jouself ruip drik nie. Don't squeeze yourself ripe. 

Same can be said of the ANC mandate to get in as many black players as possible even before they have developed the mental fortitude to deal with pressure. Especially when they have bad performances or don't have the tools to understand why a coach may prefer a different player. 

Bobby Skinstad made an honest comment about him being dropped for the final in 2007 after he played in the Semi against Argentina in that the player chosen ahead of him were better on the ground and managed to win a penalty. He acknowledged that he wasn't the right type of player. He missed out on the final completely but he accepted it.

This what BAA does to young people and the obsession with numbers and getting young black players in. 

Fassi could be another one who will struggle with rejection as he has now too also fallen out of favour. We saw Dyanti take steroids to try and make the wc squad and it cost him 3 years. 

Then, Kolisi openly admitted that he struggled when he got dropped from the boks and would turn to drinking. Even though he was a fantastic attacking player and always in my fantasy team, just not the right fit for test rugby at the time. I'm still not convinced that he is a test player or performs consitently enough and more of a 3rd slow winger than a genuine opensider and to small for a blindside, but great at carrying the ball up against backline players. He is good, don't get me wrong.  

But, black players are also far more under the microscope because we question why they were selected when they haven't set the world alight at their union. 

Look at Mchunu, hardly any first class games and got a test cap. Roos, played out of his skin in every game and hardly got a look in. So why is that fair? 

I do blame Rassie and Saru for allowing this. We are seeing a lot of great black talent coming through in our teams, but they should know that it is about merit and the type of player the coach may need and not about them. 

Any sport player should grateful for the opportunity to play this game and get paid for it. The rest of us are merely keyboard warriors. I respect any professional player work ethic but also appreciate and enjoy watching them play. 

But as a fan it is about winning, not about who kicked the best, oh you got one big tackle but missed all your other tackles. 

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
07 Dec 2022, 22:06
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07 Dec 2022, 22:06#13

As I said about 2 years ago…..not so Fassi….the proof is in the pudding. My grandmother should have said that, but she was pretty confident about producing a good bread pudding .

On a slightly different note, I’m all for these mental health patients getting help, not so much for one of them getting the kick to win the WC.

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PlumCaptain21,007 posts
08 Dec 2022, 09:34
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08 Dec 2022, 09:34#14
Wobbles, a player who lets his team down is an asshole. If it’s for medical reasons then it’s nobody’s fault. But when you go and visit your homies while on tour and then can’t be bothered to make it back for a team meeting, then you’re a tit and I won’t have your back. And when you have a string of these types of events in a young career then signs point to you being an arrogant and unreliable tosser. I always rated Jaintjies, and Sbu was a favorite too, even though Dyanti and Ismael would still be my picks ahead of him. But Elton and Sbu have proved themselves to be tit heads.
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MpowerPro5,061 posts
08 Dec 2022, 20:09
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08 Dec 2022, 20:09#15

Plum that's a bit hard on Nkosi as his part I can still understand a bit better.....but Elton must take the Punch....he is reaping what he sowed....she is Hot, I will give him that....but  claiming " mental health issues" for getting a boner and using it, is Chicken 



AJ
AJHPro3,183 posts
09 Dec 2022, 17:29
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09 Dec 2022, 17:29#16

Honesty is always the best policy.

Admit your failings and take the flack.

Class and honesty count big time as opposed to making excuses.

She might be hot but sadly lacking in class.


KI
kingcornPro3,695 posts
09 Dec 2022, 18:10
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09 Dec 2022, 18:10#17

On Elton, very funny that he now also want to sympathy. 

However, isn't it the opposite that erectile disfuntion is down to mental issues. You can see that Elton and his wife have been going at it like rabbits with 3 children under 5. I had to wait 4 years before I had a 2nd one. 

Elton is just looking for enablers to feel sorry for him. Over rated and not bok quality. Although, 2019 was probably his best year.

I hear you plum on Nkosi, hanging with your homies over your team. 

Jake doesn't take lightly to loafers and there was too much of that at the Sharks that the boys use to moan that they had to show up at 8:30 am and stay until 5:30pm. Like a normal job. 

Jake works his squad very hard but it shows on the field that they tend to be better for it. 

Nkosi doesn't have a glowing track record when it comes to this. I do get a sense of entitlement from him. 

But will wait and see where he is at in 6 months. Will he go for counselling, take meds etc


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Deus Ex LemurPro2,355 posts
09 Dec 2022, 20:22
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09 Dec 2022, 20:22#18

Jake had no trouble extracting work ethic from outspoken Australians. The Sharks reaped the fruit of their laziness the following season. 

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
10 Dec 2022, 05:34
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10 Dec 2022, 05:34#19

SB and l'Merde

There was another even more important issue and that was the division in the team caused by Jake White having favorites in the team and one of those was Fat Fransie.   Fransie wanted the captaincy and carried tales to White about the then captain.   In the year Steyn gad a horrible performance record in 2014 - White blamed other players for performance failure - but was quiet when it came to Steyn's flops.        

The atmosphere in the team was horrible and the training schedule had very little to do with it.   However, the cock sniffer's story as to the reasons why White was fired and you fell for the BS.   The problem was that contract renewal for more than half the squad was required for 2015 and 16 players said they would rather be jobless than to play for the Sharks with White as coach.     

White was noted for being relatively successful in his first year as coach for every team he coached with the teams collapsing in succeeding years.    In 2007 it was bringing to bring in Eddie Jones because was totally ignorant as to backline coaching - that probably saved White that year in the RWC.   

Anyway the refusal of SARU to renew White's contract came from the Bulls and the Cheetah management who wanted Meyer as coach for their own reasons and when a new coach was to be appointed some provincial franchises was sick and tired of the Bulls and Cheetah manipulation and voted for De Villiers who beat Meyer by one vote in the appointment voting.  Was it the benefit of Springbok rugby?   De Villiers was an ultra poor coach - Meyer was a total incompetent - during the period 2008 to 2015 the Springbok rugby deteriorated badly.   

           

AJ
AJHPro3,183 posts
11 Dec 2022, 22:45
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11 Dec 2022, 22:45#20

Just have a chat with my friends in Oz, NZ and SA and this issue came up in our chat about these two individuals.

All agree that the two are toast in so far as the Bokke are concerned and that Elton only has one head that works.

Plus none think that the Bokke will make it to the final at the WC.

Some of the guys are ex Bokke and others are ex provincial or ex first division players who move in rugby circles and know rugby inside out.

Amazed, plus little support for Rassie and his crew.

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