Obsessive of the Year award

...goes to Hasbeen, Tok and Humungous for their single minded attacks on the greatest Bok of the last 10 years, Victor Matfield.

 Just ask what happened this week to the saints when the useless Matfield - the greatest Bok over the last ten years?   He never was rated as the greatest lock by experts - because he never had any grunt and was moonlighting in the backline - causing massive damage to the Springbok Tight 5.  Maybe good enough in 2007 - but after 2009 became a liability for the Springbok team.  Only idiots punt this guy who caused Meyer to lose his job.    

 That was 12 years ago - you old stooge.  I used to like Matfield - but he lost it in 2010 and overstayed his welcome in the team - his sell-by date was in 2010 - he disgraced himself subsequently.   

Wrong this list was compiled by Alisdair Fraser in 2014 ...more crow.

 We as Saffas frown apon playing a 100kg openside...too light we say, yet we have been playing a stringbean 107kg lock for more than 10 years...and we call him one of our best locks ever? Not judging either way, but surely some logic gone astray somewhere...? Not?

Good enough is big enough  

 Mozart
Matfied was piss poor in all matches he played in since his return to the team in 2014 and was the cause of more losses than any other players ince he destroyed the Tight 5 of the team.   That was proven in the fact that he was party to too many loses of games because of weakness up front.
His main achievement was that he was primarily the reason for Meyer having to go as coach.   And as for him being MOM in the WC semi-final - did he not bugger up enough in the 20 minutes he actually was on the field of play?   He did and the best thing happening to SA Rugby is his departure from the team - where he should never have been in the first instance after his retirement in 2011.              

Dunno Moz, i agree with Mike and others. Matfield is a big t of a legend. But he should have done the right thing and bowed out gracefully. He robbed other guys of a shot. Still, it was Meyer who coaxed him back...same.as he tried to with numerous others. Maybe he thought their experience would cover his ineptitude. JDV and Matfield tarnished their otherwise sterling reputations. Shame really.

Ah the wonderful Vic who single handedly lost us the WC semi
He was great 10 years ago, utterly useless since his return.....the biggest liability in the Bok side as he proved in the semi
Only and idiot like Moffie would see a positive in 38 year old Vic......much like our coach did......where is Meyer now Moffie, huh?

 Matfield didnt lose the RWC semi ,despite the narrow scoreline the game was lost before Matfield came on .I think The Mightily Maned Matfield has been hard done by as regards Bok fans ,I know ABs fans were happier when he wasnt running the line-outs.He deserved better and I reckon John De-Villiers did tooI think its damn sad that he didnt get to go down fighting the ABs one last time .

 Whatever he was, he is a disaster now. God only knows why the fools who run my Club splashed out good money on him. 

Moz: "For over 10 years, Matfield was a gladiator who ran the Springbok lineout" 

Moz: Wrong this list was compiled by Alisdair Fraser in 2014 ...more crow.
Matfield's debut for the Boks was in 2000! He dominated for 10 years.....according to your source Alisdair Fraser. That would have taken him to 2010-2011 when he retired! Fraser's comments make no mention of Matfield after his return from retirement! 

 Seems like Dr Mozzzzzzzz is taking a right pounding here. Moz when your only real support is from the half wit warped DUD you have to realsie youare badly wrong.matfield is without doubt the most pathetci "lock" ever to play for the boks. his 105 kg string bean frame was akjoke and his backline paly a shambles. As i have perhaps said before and I quoyre the greta bakkies boths - victor doesnt always play in the backline. Bwhahahahahahahahahaha that so aptly sums up the matters.
THose claiming that matfield was at any time a good lock are only trying to get out of a disasterous call and sacve face.
Beeno hlding the oaks who supported matfield to account. No wiggling out of this one oaks!

Beans, whatever is wrong with you is no small thing! 

Enjoy your crow Bloo...
The top 10 Springboks of all time

The fact that more than 50 players could make this list shows the rich history of how of South African rugby. Springbok greats such as Hennie Muller, Dawie de Villiers, Bennie Osler, Danie Craven, Japie Krige and Jan Ellis should never be forgotten but these top ten players have left an indelible mark in Springbok rugby history.

By Alasdair Fraser -  June 6, 2014

 The stupid one even puts down a great Bok player who has given his all for SA rugby .No wonder then his poisonous crap directed at the ABs if this is how he treats his own .No other line-out exponent in the last decade or more has caused the ABs as much grief which is no mean feat and to see how the likes of clown-shoes spits on him is shameful.

 Its truly amazing stuff Wardad, but not unusual. Saffers  have always had a tall poppy syndrome and a wide eyed obsession with new toys. It's pretty callow, I have to admit. I could never imagine the AB fans wouldn't respect Carter or Nonu...its just not in the culture. The fact that it's so prevalent on this Board, that greats like Matfield, Habana, JdV and Schalk are disrespected, speaks volumes.

 Mozart
This is claptrap - players should perform - not being  in the team because of their reputation.   That is where Meyer ultimately got unstuck - too many players being in the team because of their reputation totally unrelated to their present performances.
NZ players you mention have been good enough from a performance perspective and toi criticize them based on lack of performance would be ridiculous.  
You turn around the discussion on the issue of Matfield's present performance totally because you ignore performance as a basis for selection and make criticism of performance deficiency in the case of Matfield into an issue about disrespect of his reputation.
He was a liability in the team since his return to play test rugby - end of story.               

 HM got stuck because, of the younger players he blooded only Etzebeth, Pollard and to some extent Lomp made a real contribution to the cause. The rest were barely adequate like Allende or flops like Kriel, Reinach, JJ, Taute, Stepfontein, Rhule, Goosen, Marcel van Der  Merwe,  Coenie, Stephanie, Coetzee, Arno,  Kolisi and many others.
Never in the field of rugby conflict have so many opportunities produced so few test successes.
Simply put we never won the RWC because we had to rely on older generation players in almost all cases, even though many were coming back from injury. There was no injection of energy from next generation talent. They weren't good enough. White and PdV enjoyed more talent flow.

 Mozart
You live in dreamland on cloud 9.  It was not necessary to bring back the old guard players who were in the main way past their sell-by dates in any event.  Of the players you mentioned a few were found wanting - but Meyer  also did not give most of the younger players opportunities to gain experience on test level - they were never used regularly in tests.
Your assessment of player performances are seriously flawed and prejudiced - so for you to list players and say they have flopped is a joke.  For everyone of the younger players you claimed as being flops - there are an equal number of the older players you punted have been flops.   
I will list them for you taking only those who were real flops - not imaginary ones.  Of thse only the following did not live up to expectations:-
Taute and Engelbrecht -  Fourie and in 2014 and 2015 De VilliersGoosen                      -  Morne SteynArno Botha                 -  Willem AlbertsOosthuizen                 -  Gurthro SteenkampDu Toit                      -  MatfieldMarcel van der Merwe  -  Jannie du Plessis
The difference was that most of the above players had only one or two tests since 2012 and were not really feature this year on a regular basis - the experienced players were serial flops game after game in tests.      
Of the rest of the failures one can only say you are talking crap - and badly so.     
   

 They have all flopped...except for Etzebeth, Pollard or against weaker teams....Lomp. Name anything anybody else did of consequence in the whole WC campaign. Just the facts please, save the blather.

Moz...please explain what crow I should enjoy? Nobody is saying Matfield was not great, except the head in the clouds Beans, but there is general consensus that he was way past his best on his return from "retirement". Saying he was one of the ten best Boks ever, or this legend or that know it all agrees, doesn't change the fact that after he was great, he carried on playing when he was no longer great!  

 I have to disagree on Matfield's later years. I don't think there was a meaningful dip in performance. He was always superb in athletic aspects...but never an exponent of brute strength. All that happened in 2015 is his enemies like Andrews harped on physicality, forgetting for example his 97% tackle success ratio in the RWC. The ever gullible Bok fans bought the argument.

 Mozart
Despite your refusal to acknowledge it - Matfield was in 2014-2015 not 10% of the player he used to be.   His tackling stats were based on the fact that he regularly loafed around in the backline where he made WEAK tackles.   As a forward he was a liability.   There was no enemies involved here - they are in your imagination - ex-locks recognized the increased liability as a lock present in Matfield and the "gullible" bok fans is also a figment of your imagination.   They recognized something serious was amiss in the Tight 5 of the Springboks and the result thereof was loss of forward domination.  The real problem was Matfield.
By the way ask bec and Dave about Matfield's athletic exploits for Northampton?  Those athletic abilities you spoke about was also not present since his return to play test rugby in 2014.   

 seemed that the award was going to mozart for his obsesive defense of Matfield, the 38 yo who, as the great majority thinks, should have never returned at least to the test arena

but then we find the sick behaviour of a poster that in one month has broken all the records known. His endless cut&paste lies that nobody reads and BS fascist-propaganda from the most unreliable internet sources gives without any doubt the award to:

Beeno1

 No other line-out exponent in the last decade or more has caused the ABs as much grief which is no mean feat and to see how the likes of clown-shoes spits on him is shameful.
What poor ou wapred dud doesnt know is that the lineout is only one functions as a lock. wee matfield was nz's favourite player given it reduced outr tight five to a tight 4 and help equalise the siy=tuation although even then our tight 4 had an edge as nz forwards are pretty pap. 
Please Dr Mozzzzz dont mention pap wee victor in the same breath as real great like habana and schalk and Jdv.
As to matfield's lineout rpowress its way over hyped. I would like to see hsi test record of steals less losses agaisnt rugby nations in the top 8 in the world. Stats like that would of course show how hopeless overtated his lineout contribution was. For the rest he took lineout kicks well and other than that he was a failed backline wannabee.
I warne dabout all thsi and eyes were opened. Some however tried to wangle out of their judhgmental blunder by pretending matfield was at one stage good but the fatc was he eas never ever any good. 
Bluebok what could you be on about! 
Take it from Beeno the one who knows.

 Mozart
In all the test Matfield played in since June 2014  he had a spotty record in line out steals - a very bad record to be honest since he lost some key line outs as well.  He won four line-outs on opposition throw-in and lost 3.  That reputation of line-out prowess was based on his reputation - not on fact as it is at present.   That does not at present make him a top line out lock.
This harping back on reputation and then stating that it applies to the present scenario is not realistic and is in fact a joke in bad taste.       

 MOM in the bronze final is the latest data point I believe.

You are impossible - like a needle stuck in a groove.  That MOM against the B-Team of Argentina is what it should be regarded as - a return for long service rendered.  It is really meaningless    He was not even the best player on the field of play - Malherbe was far better.   
Irrespective of your mania in the relevant regard there are very few people who in fact regarded Matfield as worthy of selection to the Springbok squad and that included some leading experts in lock play - not only Edwards that you say for some reason or another dislikes Matfield.
There were a number of reasons why Meyer got fired - but Matfield is very high on that list of reasons - in fact on the top of the list.   

 And you sadly are rather stupid

 MOM award was pure sentimentality.  We need a more hard nosed approach. Not places in team for old pals etc.

Moz, one can hardly judge any of the back line players because in no game that meant anything in the WC did they get any ball. Matfield really was a legend. So was JDV. But they tarnished my view of them by participating in this WC. Matfield knew he was past it and JDV should have declared himself out. His looming shadow, i feel, was very bad for the team and hampered preparations. Pienaar and Morne Steyn's inclusions were just as shameful. Had Meyer prepared properly and started his prep 4 years ago, it would have been a much different world cup. The Brussouw fiasco being just one example of the pure lunacy Meyer brought to the job. The Lions finished just a point or two shy of the Stormers in the S15 and yet not a single one featured in the WC. Another disgrace. Bakkies did honorouble thing and others should have followed his example. Maybe some other coach could have included Matfield and Pienaar in the team and won the cup, but Meyer certainly could not.

 plum
No other coach would have included the players like Matfield, Alberts and a number of other hasbeens in the team - Meyer was unique in his sentimentality about the string of hasbeens from the players he used to coach when he was the Bulls coach.   He also was the one who insisted on a return to the Bulls strategy of passing the ball back to forwards and play a game plan that was easily read and contained by opposing teams.
Mozart's norm for player evaluation relates top what players produced in 2007 0 not what they produced in 2014 and 2015.   Any new players not involved in 2007 - with extremely rare exceptions - especially those who were in opposition to some of his heroes - were condemned outright and found wanting according to him.
In the case of Matfield his flops in games he played for for his Club is ignored and that makes him even funnier,            
      

 I for one never rated Greybeard as a great lock at any stage of his career.
He spent more time hiding in the backline while guys like BAKKIES did the work required from a lock.
As to him returning to play after retiring did not impress me one bit because he proved to be a disaster as a player and his reputation took a tumble even from his most staunch supporters.
Finally HM and Greybeard got it all wrong and thankfully both are now history in SA Rugby.
Moz time to find another old man to support.