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Official Springbok team announced 40 + (1)

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Deus Ex LemurPro2,355 posts
15 Jun 2023, 18:32
#41
15 Jun 2023, 18:32#41

Frans was never mediocre in any position. His performance at 10 between 2007 and 2015 were excellent. In fact, they were so good that they eclipse the likes of Libbok, Lambie, Goosen, Pienaar, Willemse et al quite comfortably. I can cite some jaw dropping stats. His best position by quite some distance was 12, he was next best at 10, then on the wing, and then at 15. He can play 15, but his skillset is much better elsewhere. Frans was and still is a highly talented player. Willemse is not a very talented player, and cannot make up for it with cerebral contributions. He ended up at 10 because he failed at 15, then 12 because he failed at 10. Frans played many positions because he was often better than most of the incumbents, and could play them well; Willemse has ended up in multiple positions because we cannot find a place where he can excel. Willemse is yet another in the increasing list of imaginary talents that simply doesn't exist. His performances last year were shockingly bad. I wouldn't even have him in the squad. I would rather be a man down than resort to him. 

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MpowerPro5,061 posts
15 Jun 2023, 19:25
#42
15 Jun 2023, 19:25#42
That is utter nonsense….Willemse is just as versatile as Frans….look alone at the Arendse try vs England….it was Damian,s ability to think on his feet Quickly, spot that space and send Arendse on his way, for Good try…he was playing Flyhalf …by the way , Arendse left Marcus Smih in his dust and Totally lost,with Amazing Foot work…..that is just 1 Example, there is many more.
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Deus Ex LemurPro2,355 posts
15 Jun 2023, 20:20
#43
15 Jun 2023, 20:20#43

Show me Willemse playing well against a good defence Mpower. Even moderate to average. His performances last year were poor. Even against all time bad opposition. Willemse is a D- at the ceiling of his potential. He is nowhere near as good as Frans, at any stage of his career, at any position. Show me Willemse turning a losing All Black test around. Show me anything. It's becoming quite tedious having to continually talk about the least of what we have available to us. There wasn't one quality Bok showing last year, in an atttack that was the most ragged, scattershot, and toothless of the entire Erasputin tenure. The England test was when they played one of their worst ever tests, in a poor season. But, when they pitch up, how bad do we look? I'm not going to drop my standards for a feel-good narrative, a false sense of security. I have never seen Bok rugby have expectations that were so low. Erasputing must have sold his soul to the devil. So much better has been viciously hounded out of the Bok job. 

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MpowerPro5,061 posts
15 Jun 2023, 20:42
#44
15 Jun 2023, 20:42#44
I Agree on Tassie….his head has become larger than his Coaching ….2018 Rugby championship, Damian was involved very often in the more productive Runs, defence and tries that the Boks offered in that season…the one game against AB he was playing Fullback, and he was peppered with high balls …he was solid in the air …so much so that he beat the AB defence on numerous occasions….also managing under immense pressure, to show the stability and flare to Distribute very well…that was visible last season and season before…he is not only a hot stepper, but a complete Rugby player….his best Position is Fullback or 12….Frans was a very solid player, with a boot like cannon… but he was also often a guy that liked to kick possession senselessly away….his defence on many occasions lapsed and caused points for the other teams… he also sometimes had the tendency to be a 1 man band…not Distributing well and holding on to the ball to long….I am sure if we go thru all the Players, we will find a plethora of faults and Flaws….but these guys will carry on and Better themselves…. It’s got nothing to do with being a crowd pleaser, out there or here on Ruckers, but more the ability to look past your own favouritism , and see the Talent deep inside…but ok each to his own.
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Deus Ex LemurPro2,355 posts
15 Jun 2023, 20:48
#45
15 Jun 2023, 20:48#45

Damian had 100% negative contributions in the 2018 test season. He wasn't used often, but when he played, it wasn't very good. His first contribution was throwing an intercept pass. His play against New Zealand was horrific, and he actually helped lose that test. I challenge you to reference a play in 2018 where he was effective. 

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