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Started by Beeno19 REPLIES161 VIEWS· 12 Feb 2016, 08:35
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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
12 Feb 2016, 08:35
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12 Feb 2016, 08:35#1
read this so they can prepare for the future. Ex New York Times - needless to say not pro Trump.

Wednesday was the day when Washington woke up to the fact that Donald Trump could well be the Republican Presidential candidate, and that, perish the thought, he could even be America’s next President. The opinion polls had long been predicting an easy victory for Trump in the New Hampshire primary—but polls are one thing and actual votes are another. It’s a bit like the difference between hearing that a friend or family member has received a horrible medical prognosis and seeing the symptoms progress firsthand. The first is upsetting; the second is shattering.

“Armageddon for the GOP Establishment,” a headline at the National Reviewread. “Trump’s NH Rout Plunges GOP Establishment into Chaos,” said another one, at The Hill. “Donald Trump in Driver’s Seat on Way to Presidential Nomination,” the Weekly Standard claimed. All of this came just a week after writers for some of the same publications had been expressing the belief (or hope) that Trump’s second-place finish in the Iowa caucus meant that he had peaked. (BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA)

 

There was a bit of support for that argument in the national opinion polls, but not much. On January 31st, the day before the Iowa caucus, the Huffington Post’s poll average showed Trump with 36.2 per cent of the Republican vote. On Sunday, February 7th, just before New Hampshire voted, his share was 35.2 per cent. One survey, from Public Policy Polling, did show him dropping back to twenty-five per cent, but six other polls showed him in the thirties.

If you ignore a bit of volatility here and there, Trump has held a big lead in the national polls since August: that’s seven months. For a long time, many commentators persisted in describing the Trump phenomenon as a temporary one. Today, the skeptics are thin on the ground. On Wednesday, one of the last of them, Nate Silver, of FiveThirtyEight, posted a column saying that Trump was now the legitimate front-runner.

As I pointed out back in December, one of the things that makes Trump a formidable candidate is that he’s tough to pigeonhole. He picks up support from almost all corners of the Republican Party—and from outside of it, too. In New Hampshire, the network exit poll indicated that he bested the rest of the field among Republicans and independents, men and women, conservatives and moderates, and all age groups except seniors. It is sometimes said that Trump’s support is confined to the poorly educated, but in the Granite State he also came out ahead among people who attended some college and among college graduates. The only educational demographic with which he didn’t finish first was voters with a postgraduate degree.

Why is Trump doing well? One explanation emphasizes his outsider image, his unorthodox style, and his willingness to say things that regular politicians won’t. Clearly, there is something to this theory. According to the New Hampshire exit poll, fully half of all voters in the Republican primary said that they wanted a political outsider as their candidate, and Trump got the support of nearly sixty per cent of this group.

When Trump makes offensive comments or insults his opponents and media critics, it seems only to confirm in the minds of many Republican and independent voters that he is an authentic anti-politician. Last weekend, Adam Gabbatt, a reporter for the Guardianvisited a biker bar in Seabrook, New Hampshire, where he found quite a few Trump supporters. “He’s bringing a point of view that isn’t common in politics,” one of the bikers said.He’s self-funding so nobody can buy him,” said another.

To ascribe Trump’s rise entirely to his independent status and his political incorrectness would be a mistake, however. The message that he is delivering—a mélange of American nativism, conservative politics, and populist economics—is also falling on receptive ears. When Trump says that Washington has failed the country, he is merely restating a central tenet of modern conservatism. When he claims that free trade with China and other countries has undermined American prosperity and cost countless American jobs, many blue-collar workers think that sounds right. When he says that the influx of illegal immigrants, many of whom have crossed the Mexican border, is having a similar impact on American living standards, that strikes a chord, too. And when he says that something drastic has to be done to prevent the threat of further terrorist attacks by Islamist radicals, he is preaching to the converted. (YOU SEE ROOITWIT HE JUST KEEPS GETTING IT RIGHT - UNLIKE YOU OF COURSE)

According to the New Hampshire exit poll, nearly half of the voters in the Republican primary said that they were angry at the federal government, and seventy per cent said that they were worried about the economy. Four in ten said that they were in favor of deporting undocumented immigrants en masse. Six in ten said that they were “very” worried about terrorism. And fully two-thirds expressed support for Trump’s proposal to institute a temporary ban on Muslims entering the United States.

Figures like these, if they were to extend across the country, would have the makings of a winning coalition for Trump, because no other Republican candidate can match him for breadth. An establishment figure like Jeb Bush or John Kasich can’t hope to compete with him on incendiary issues like immigration and preventing Muslims from entering the country. A social conservative like Ted Cruz may match Trump’s rhetoric in these areas, or come close, but Cruz hasn’t got much of an economic message for embattled Reagan Democrats.

For now, at least, that leaves Trump in a strong position. He still has to demonstrate that he can extend his support beyond roughly a third of the G.O.P. electorate, but as long as his opposition remains divided, getting thirty or thirty-five per cent of the vote can take him a long way. On Wednesday evening, Predictwise, a Web site that combines information from the betting markets and the polls, was estimating the probability of Trump getting the G.O.P. nomination at forty-three per cent. With the polls showing him well ahead in Nevada and South Carolina, the next two states to vote, some would say that this estimate looks a bit low. 
ARE THE OAKS GETTING A GLIMMER YET?
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RooinekCaptain18,117 posts
12 Feb 2016, 08:40
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12 Feb 2016, 08:40#2
Go Drumpf!
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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
12 Feb 2016, 08:47
#3
12 Feb 2016, 08:47#3
Hahahahahahahhaha never mind ou rooitwit you hopefully will be save d from yourself!
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
12 Feb 2016, 09:32
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12 Feb 2016, 09:32#4
 Beeno
Do you know anything about American politics?  Do you know of a group called the Tea Party consisting of the extreme right wing of the Republican Party.  Let me explain - most of the articles you quotes are from publications linked to the Tea Party Republicans.  
Why the Tea Party name?  It is based on the Boston riots under British rule when tea from British boats in Boston was thrown into the sea by rioters - an action which started the Liberation War.  Sara Pahlen and a few other Rightwingers inclusive of Cruz started it - but Trump is on that wagon too.
Now let me explain another thing to you.  To get nomination by the Republicans at their convention you have to have more than 50% support of delegates - but it is virtually essential to get a majorities in California, Texas, Florida, New York and Illinois.   Those are the big states with most delegates.
Most of the above states have huge numbers of Spanish voters and both Rubio and Cruz speak to those voters in Spanish and both won their senatorial seats with massive Spanish voter support in Florida and Texas respectively. California also has a massive Spanish speaking voter complement and even the relatively minor New Mexico and Colorado is in the same boat.
I do not think Trump will get support from Spanish speaking voters against two of their own in those states - so his chances are remote to get victories in those states.  At this stage - after two States voted - Trump his just over one-third of the delegates from those two states.  He won big in New Hampshire, but only got 35% of the vote.  if their were less candidates would he have got more - I doubt it very, very much.
Another problem is the so-called Republican Establishment.  They will always throw their considerable weight behind establishment politicians.  That count very much against their candidates - since the American Public seems to be against the Washington Cabal.  They dislike Trump - but hate Cruz - because he told them off a number of times by telling them they have betrayed the trust of the voters they represent.  
I suspect that Kasish, Bush and Carson will throw in the towel sooner rather than later.  The only candidate mildly acceptable to the Establishment would then be Rubio - I say mildly because he has been not very long in Washington and they rate him as having a 98% rightwing voting record in the Senate.  But he has not have as bad a relationshiip with the Establishment as Cruz has - so the likely event is that they would go for Rubio.   
However, it is early days and one has to wait for Super Tuesday - 1 March - to see what happens in that round of the campaign.   That is the day on which more than 50% of Convention delegates are elected.   I will never make a forecast before Super Tuesday and you may be wise to do the same. 
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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
12 Feb 2016, 12:39
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12 Feb 2016, 12:39#5
 Ou maaaike no person knows the future but its looking good for Trump. He is well ahead of any other GOP rival in the national polls last I saw.As a guy who appreciates playing whats in front of you look how easily and brilliantly trump again turns the tables on Cruz. 

Donald Trump has now made clear that the thrust of his campaign will not be conservatism. It will instead be populism and nationalism.

For those looking for a governing philosophy of The Donald, his checkered political history has provided little guidance. He’s seemingly endorsed single-payer healthcare; he’s said he rejects Obamacare. He’s blasted money in politics; he’s talked about the necessity for government use of eminent domain to help private parties. He’s ripped overregulation of capitalistic enterprises; he’s talked about tariffs on foreign goods. Trump isn’t conservative, and he never was.

Senator 

Sen. Ted Cruz (R-TX)97%, Trump’s chief challenger in the next primary state of South Carolina, is utilizing that lack of coherent conservatism as a club against Trump. His latest ad blitz features a small boy holding a Trump action figure, shouting, “Look, I got the Trump action figure! He pretends to be a Republican!” He then uses the action figure to brag about giving money to Democrats and engaging in eminent domain.

Trump won’t be able to trump Cruz on conservatism. So now he’s making clear that he isn’t running a conservative campaign – he’s running a nationalist and populist campaign. His enemies include both Republicans and conservatives:

Remember, it was the Republican Party, with the help of Conservatives, that made so many promises to their base, BUT DIDN’T KEEP THEM! Hi DT

— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) February 11, 2016

According to Trump, then, conservatives helped bamboozle the Republican base, along with the Republican establishment. So the establishment sucks – and so do conservatives.

Trump’s move here is calculated. He’s going to campaign as a post-ideological candidate. All he wants, as he said in his next tweet, is to “MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN.” If that means bigger government, that means bigger government. If that means more interventionism in the economy, that means more interventionism in the economy. Trump believes he can restore American greatness in his personage – he can make terrific deals, he can “win” on behalf of America.

Many of his followers believe that, too.

@benshapiro @KenYounos You care more about a failed ideology than saving the country. Oh well – too bad. “Conservatism” failed for decades.

— Trumpservative (@conservinews) February 11, 2016

@benshapiro Wanting to make America great again is a conservative aspiration. Leftists hate America, American greatness is the original sin.

— Ken Younos (@KenYounos) February 11, 2016

@benshapiro concept eludes you doesn’t it?!?!?! has NOTHING TO DO with ideology but never mind what’s the use you’ll never comprehend

— Lee Hempfling (@LeeHempfling) February 11, 2016

@benshapiro Yes, Trump’s a nationalist who transcends left and right, and that’s why America needs him. Fuck conservatism.

— Nomanslander (@GhostCatHoarder) February 11, 2016

Trump stands up for America; Trump Hulk Smashes for you. He cares about America, and that’s enough – he wants to restore American greatness, and that’s enough. How will he do it? He just will. And he won’t be held back by any conservative vision of a small government nation founded on individual liberty. Sometimes he’ll do conservative things. Sometimes he won’t. But he’ll act with “common sense” and “do what needs to be done.”

None of this should be comforting for conservatives, but Trump doesn’t mean for it to be. He’s hoping that there are enough aphilosophic Americans to push him forward to victory.

He may be right.

Even if he is, that’s no victory for conservative principles. As Trump says, that’s not a priority.

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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
12 Feb 2016, 12:48
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12 Feb 2016, 12:48#6
 Ou maaaikie you are missing some important information. From a democratic supporting website. If Trump wins the GOP nomination (which seems likely) he wins the presidency.

So if Donald Trump proved the political universe wrong and won the Republican presidential nomination, he would be creamed by Hillary Clinton, correct?

 

A new survey of likely voters might at least raise momentary dyspepsia for Democrats since it suggests why it wouldn't be a cakewalk.


The survey by Washington-based Mercury Analytics is a combination online questionnaire and "dial-test" of Trump's first big campaign ad among 916 self-proclaimed "likely voters" (this video shows the ad and the dial test results). It took place primarily Wednesday and Thursday and has a margin of error of plus or minus 3.5 percent.

 

Nearly 20 percent of likely Democratic voters say they'd cross sides and vote for Trump, while a small number, or 14 percent, of Republicans claim they'd vote for Clinton. When those groups were further broken down, a far higher percentage of the crossover Democrats contend they are "100 percent sure" of switching than the Republicans. (Expect this ratio to improve)

 

When the firmed showed respondents the Trump ad, and assessed their responses to each moment of it, it found "the primary messages of Trump's ad resonated more than Democratic elites would hope."

 

About 25 percent of Democrats "agree completely" that it raises some good point, with an additional 19 percent agreeing at least "somewhat."

 

Mercury CEO Ron Howard, a Democrat whose firm works for candidates in both parties and corporate clients, concedes, "We expected Trump's first campaign spot to strongly appeal to Republican Trump supporters, with little impact – or in fact negative impact – on Democratic or independent voters."

 

He continues, "The challenge to Hillary, if Trump is the nominee and pivots to the center in the general election as a problem-solving, independent-minded, successful 'get it done' businessman is that Democrats will no longer be able to count on his personality and outrageous sound bites to disqualify him in the voters' minds."

Right. And that's precisely what we've been saying for months. Put more simply: Trump is gaffe proof, which means it isn't about how many outlandish things he says, it's about whether he can craft a coherent narrative.

As the campaign drags on, his message is starting to sound more like an actual policy platform and less like an ad hoc series of soundbites.

And that's a very dangerous thing for the Democrats.

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
12 Feb 2016, 13:34
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12 Feb 2016, 13:34#7
 Beeno
If he is not conservative he will have a problem in an essentially conservative party.   I am not sure what to make out of Trump.  He is an orator - but without too many principles but opportunism it seems to me.   Those two are not good signs for him and will ultimately be used against him in the Deep South and the Bible Belt states.     
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bluebokPro3,977 posts
12 Feb 2016, 13:35
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12 Feb 2016, 13:35#8
Copy & paste.....bla bla bla Trump is the best bla bla bla bla Trump's hair gives me butterflies in my tummy....bla bla bla bla....Hilary is stupid.....copy and paste....bla bla bla....other peoples thoughts...copy paste.....bla bla bla bla...I love Trump....copy and paste...bold: my own thought (but a copy of someone else's).....bla bla bla bla...did I mention I think Trump is the most perfect human since Jesus Christ......Copy and paste, another copy and paste to back up my previous copy and paste...bla bla bla .Rooi is....bla bla bla




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please scroll past this...it is the same k@k I have copied and pasted two millionty thousand times






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I'm so clevar! Yoo is just idoits! 








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RooinekCaptain18,117 posts
12 Feb 2016, 13:41
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12 Feb 2016, 13:41#9
bluebok, you left the names Marine le Pen and Nigel Farage out of Baboon-ou's endlessly repetitive posting formula.
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bluebokPro3,977 posts
12 Feb 2016, 14:06
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12 Feb 2016, 14:06#10
Rooi, I honestly don't even read "his" articles anymore, so I haven't noticed whatever new rubbish he has added to his monologue! 
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