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Pakie in case you missed it..

Started by Mozart10 REPLIES382 VIEWS· 13 Mar 2016, 05:44
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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
13 Mar 2016, 05:44
#1
13 Mar 2016, 05:44#1
....here is the link to all the lineouts posted by matey:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=DBP6s4sGY00&feature=youtu.be
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PakieCaptain17,321 posts
13 Mar 2016, 09:14
#2
13 Mar 2016, 09:14#2
I missed it yes, thank you.
Okay, points to address. 
Mozart said:"I have posted that Etzebeth out jumped Loop twice just before the half..."
Correct. At 37:10 and 37:50, also at 29:47. 
Dave said:Its simple Lood was the forward who operated at 4 in the line-outs for the Cheetahs, the guy with 5 on his back......his opponent was PSDT who also had 5 on his back.

Partially correct. Lood mostly operated at 4, but was standing at 2 in at least 5 lineouts (with 3 jumps), and every time Etzebeth opposed him he was beaten (3-0 to E).
Mozart said:and that Lomp in turn twice took the ball off du Toit

Possibly correct, 3:48 & 42:32 (with the latter though, due to video quality, I can't make out whether Lood got a hand on the ball or whether Du Toit just lost it).

The Cheetahs' lineout throwing was often woeful, has to be said. 
Well gentlemen, that's the report on what I saw. Make of it what you will.

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
13 Mar 2016, 09:21
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13 Mar 2016, 09:21#3
 Pakie
Please show the pics from the side of the line-out - not from the front where the position of the players are not clear at all.  Sad to say your interpretation is all based on photos taken from the front or back and that is misleading.  
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PakieCaptain17,321 posts
13 Mar 2016, 09:37
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13 Mar 2016, 09:37#4
Ag please Mike, not this sh!t again. There are no side shots in the video I have been provided with. The time stamps and a link to the video are there, you're welcome to go and look and confirm for yourself. 
It is, however, blatantly clear even from those shots that at both 37:10 and 37:50 E & L are directly opposed at 2 in the lineout. At 37:10 you can see Wegner lifting Lood from behind, so clearly Lood is at 2. Here is a clearer image.


The image for 37:50 couldn't possibly be any clearer - both jumpers are right at the front of the lineout.
Here's a wider angle of the minute 29:47 lineout.

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
13 Mar 2016, 10:13
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13 Mar 2016, 10:13#5
 At 29:47 even a monkey can see that De Jager is opposite the player who support Etzebeth in the jump even from the jump - but I want a clearer situation and from the front it is not always possible to say who jumped at which position.  
Your photos of the past has been shown up as BS - that is why I hesitate to call your interpretation as authentic.   You did not show all the line outs only picked ones of which only one is clear and that was in the shortened one above - where De Jager jumped at 2 - the other definitions are standard BS by you to ape Mozart's toxic statements.      
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PakieCaptain17,321 posts
13 Mar 2016, 10:41
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13 Mar 2016, 10:41#6
Lood is standing deeper than Eben yes, that is not under dispute. As I said on the pic, Wegner leaves the lineout before the throw, so naturally Lood will be further back. Point being, Lood called the throw to him, Etzebeth read it and stole it. 

And no, the other lineouts are perfectly clear as well. You're just too dishonest to admit to what you're seeing. 
What other lineouts did you want me to show? You didn't request anything from me. Mozart asked me to confirm that Etzebeth outjumped Lood twice before the break, and that Lood stole Du Toit's ball twice. That's it. 
You know Mike, I've tried to bury the hatchet with you countless times. But then this: "Your photos of the past has been shown up as BS". 
No, they haven't. Only you and Dave have ever had a problem with photos I've posted to back up an-alysis I've made. Usually because they expose the BS you try to sell. No one else on this board. That tells a story in itself. Yet again you happily attack my integrity when things aren't going your way.
Anyway, that's my adult hand holding done for the day. As I said in the other thread, I'll provide the evidence, you guys can punch it out. Dealing with someone like you just screws up my day, and it's not worth it. Not for a game of rugby. Cheers.
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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
13 Mar 2016, 18:27
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13 Mar 2016, 18:27#7
 Thanks Pakie very much appreciated, and thanks Matey for providing the link. We should always have our disagreements about the interpretations, not about the facts. Having these excellent still images makes the focus totally clear. Which makes Mike's attack on your veracity particularly unnecessary.
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
13 Mar 2016, 22:10
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13 Mar 2016, 22:10#8
 OK - Mozart
The photos proved one case where  shortened line out caused Etzebeth  and De Jager competing for the ball directly and where Etzebeth outjumped De Jager.  The other two cases invented by you was toxic disinformation.  
Will it ever occur to you to be factual when you describe incidents.  I have not seen that happening during the past three years - so I doubt whether it will ever happen.     
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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
13 Mar 2016, 23:33
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13 Mar 2016, 23:33#9
 Tokkie...you are fooling nobody. 
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BlikkiesPro1,526 posts
14 Mar 2016, 01:15
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14 Mar 2016, 01:15#10

 Etsebeth is the better jumper of them all. Lood needs a lot of lifting to get to the same height as Eben.

PSTD never featured in this battle and it can not be said that he act as a distraction to Lood.

No, Eben is our best lineout jumper at the moment with Lood possibly in 2nd place.


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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
14 Mar 2016, 01:30
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14 Mar 2016, 01:30#11
 Klop.
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