Performance ratings of the Springboks

The following seems fair and reasonable:-

15     Le Roux                    -             7,5

14     Kolbe                       -              6,5

13    Am                           -              8,5

12    Damian de Allende     -              8

11    Mapimpi                    -              8,5

10    Pollard                      -              8

  9    De Klerk                                   7,5

  8    Wiese                                       7

  7    Du Toit                                     7,5

  6    Kolisi                                        7,5

  5    Mostert                                    6,5

  4    Etzebeth                                  7,5

  3    Malherbe                                 7,5

  2   Mbonambi                                 7

  1   Kitshoff                                     7

Marx                                                 8

Kwagga                                           6,5

De Jager                                          8

Nyakane                                          8

The rest not long enough to be rated.           

Wiese 7? Too many emotional, unrealistic ratings 

15     Le Roux                    -     7.0        7.5

14     Kolbe                       -       4.5        6.5

13    Am                           -        8.0.       8.5

12    Damian de Allende     -      7.0.      8.0

11    Mapimpi                    -        7.0.      8.5

10    Pollard                      -         8.0 

  9    De Klerk                              8.0        7.5

  8    Wiese                                   5.0.       7.0

  7    Du Toit                                 4.5.      7.5

  6    Kolisi                                   8.0       7.5

  5    Mostert                                7.5        6.5

  4    Etzebeth                               8.5        8.0

  3    Malherbe                              5.0.      6.0

  2   Mbonambi                                 7

  1   Kitshoff                                 5.5        7.0

Marx                                                 8

Kwagga                                         7.0        6.5

De Jager                                         7.0        8.0

Nyakane                                          8

Mozart

OK - you are totally prejudiced as per normal.   How the hell can you give Mostert a rating of 7,5 - when  he was part of the shambles in the line-outs and there were two steals for which  he was responsible..    When De Jager came on his first line out he was involved in  was a steal on Lions throw-in followed by an effective  rolling maul he was co-ordinating.     Still the weak lock Mostert is known for.   He could never be rated higher than De Jager.   

As to Du Toit you are nuts as per normal.   He was strong and better than Kwagga was all the time - you missed the game as per normal.   And  the latter made the first breakdown turn-over in possession when the Lions were in the Springbok 22 and attacking - plus another later in the game that led to a penalty which Pollard failed to conver.   

I can go through everyone of your so-called ratings and prove that what you came up with is a distortion of what actually happened.

Mozart

OK - you are totally prejudiced as per normal.   How he hell can you give Mostert a rating of 7,5 - when  he was part of the shambles in the line-outs and there were two steals for which  he was responsible..    When De Jager came on his first line out eh was involved in  was a steal on Lions throw-in followed by an effective  rolling maul he was co-ordinating.     Still the weak lock Mostert is known for.   He could never be rated higher than De Jager.   

As to Du Toit you are nuts as per normal.   He was strong and better than Kwagga was all the time - you missed the game as per normal.   And  th latter made the first breakdown turn-over in possession when the Lions were in the Springbok 22 and attacking - plus another later in the game that led to a penalty which Pollard converted.   

I can go through everyone of your so-called ratings and prove that what you came up with is a distortion of what actually happened.

Mostert lost his lineout once….stole his opponents ball once….made a turnover….brought down Watson in full flight in open field. And numerous other contributions.

Lomp had a good short stint, but dropped one ball.

Du Toit had 1 run for zero metres and gummed up the backline….we would have been in much better shape if the ball went straight to Kolbe. This game is a classical illustration of the fact that he makes no positive difference to Bok performance.

Go ahead….what other lessons do you need?

The entire setup of the backline is putrid. It's like the days of Straeuli, barely any plan beyond first phase. Shuffling the ball aimlessly without holding the defence had the plastics come undone, but is not good rugby. Putting the ball in the hands of unintelligent and unskilled players is exacerbating the problem. 

Good? What  did Dud actually accomplish….name one thing. One thing is for sure he could never have made that brilliant tackle on Watson in space that Mostert pulled off.

No he gets picked up by a wing and dumped. Duhan pretty much monstered him.

The ratings for the Boks are too high. Pollard gets a 7, nobody else is over 6. The game was truly shocking for quality. 

He would never have tossed Mostert like that….Mostert would have had the school boy sense to lower his center of gravity. Not Dud Toit….smashed all the way back to the changing room.

Watch your chin Dave, stop leading with it….hahaha. What a wipe out!

But they take cracks at Mostert all the time and unlike Lomp and Dud Toit he takes the punishment and soldiers on while they are constantly getting hurt. Vunipola folded Lomp like a sack of potatoes And Dud Toit gets monstered and hurt by a wing.

So who is  the tough guy anyway.

what doid mostert do in the game on Satiurday - he wa wek in the line-outs and everything else and his rackling wa spoor quality, - the miss on Farrell being a typoical example.  They dare not throw the ball at him in line-outs on Saturday as he wa snot strong enougfh to compete in the lien-outs - end of story.         

Rubbish he took plenty of ball and one against the throw offsetting the one he lost when Itoje jumped in front of him ….he is easily our best 5 jumper. As for his tackling he has the best stats of any Bok player over the two tests. He has made 29 of 32 tackles….the most of any Bok. 

Mostert has outplayed Steph and Limp. It's that simple. Ende. 

The one eh took was a shambles causing Etxsebeth to be forced over the lkine and a scrum resulted as a result with a throw-in by the Lions.    Bad news that one.    Mostert is not a lockls backside  because eh is physically too weak to be one.         

Kicking a footie: (overall performance) 8.5

Playing rugby, passing ball with hands etc: 1 (because nobody deserves 0 when putting in effort )

What did I say. Du Toit even before the game started would already be given a low rating.

These two are totally predictable such is their bias.

Guardian player ratings:

South Africa

15 Willie le Roux Made a couple of errors, but kind of inevitable for a full-back in a kick-fest. No prospect of his subtler skills getting an airing. 5 (Give him a 7)

14 Cheslin Kolbe This Test will be remembered for his ugly tackle on the airborne Murray, even though he had his eyes on the ball at all times. 4

13 Lukhanyo Am Question marks over his try, but he read it perfectly. Tackled and chased throughout, causing problems at the breakdown. 8

12 Damian de Allende Willing carrier and tackler, as all the best Springbok centres must be. See Etzebeth and imagine the equivalent in the three-quarters. 7

11 Makazole Mapimpi Took his try very well and is maturing into a fine winger. Insatiable appetite at the breakdown. 8

10 Handré Pollard Was a little shaky at times in the first half but came through when it mattered. In the second half he was quite masterful. 7 (Give him an 8)

9 Faf de Klerk Like his partner, not at his best in the first half, but that doesn’t really matter when you find your feet in the second. 7 (Another 8)

1 Steven Kitshoff Won the scrum penalty that preceded South Africa’s first try. Busy around the park on 50th cap, high on tackle and carry count. 7

2 Bongi Mbonambi Less punishing than his opposite number off the back of the maul and had a couple of lineouts picked off. Scrum tight, though. 5

3 Frans Malherbe One of the more willing tacklers in the front five and a key man in the scrum, which secured South Africa a very slight edge. 7

4 Eben Etzebeth Never going to win rugby’s equivalent of a beauty contest, but rugby has room for ugliness too – and, boy, he delivers. 8

5 Franco Mostert Not as nasty as his partner in the engine but the nuts and bolts of his game are tight. Lost one at the lineout but stole one too. 6 (This guy could play at 7 or 8 for us next week end)

6 Siya Kolisi (capt) In the spotlight this week and produced a performance of real intensity and meaning. At the heart of most things. 8

7 Pieter-Steph du Toit Few touches out wide but seemed to struggle from his first contact, a tackle that will no doubt feature in an Erasmus compilation. 5 (Yes he was hurt very early on)

8 Jasper Wiese Couldn’t quite break out as he does weekly in the Premiership. Busy tackler but a couple of mistakes take the sheen off. 5

REPLACEMENTS

Kwagga Smith (for Du Toit, 21) Strong and fast 7 ( Give him a 6); Lood de Jager (for Wiese, 55) Fabulous 8; Vincent Koch (for Malherbe, 55) 6 ( give him a 7); Malcolm Marx (for Mbonambi 55) 7; Trevor Nyakane (for Kitshoff, 59) 6 ( Give him an 8); Herschel Jantjies (for De Klerk, 63) n/a; Damian Willemse (for Mapimpi, 67) n/a; Marco van Staden (for Kolisi, 72) n/a

Now the oaks have a spot on player assessment!

Actually you nailed HasBeen-Ou……he was hurt very early on. And after he left the field the Boks performed better. The second half was way better.

Correlation is not causation, I’m not saying the disappearance of Dud caused the Boks to be much better, although it’s possible, what I am saying with certainty is his absence caused them no problems.

Did they perform, better because Du Toit was replaced?    

Those ratings are ridiculous. No Bok was over 7, and only Pollard gets a 7. You play that poorly, contribute so little and you get an 8? For what. Where was the Bok attack all game? Nowhere. Tier 3 rugby. 

Thrashed? Bumble-balled the Lions. How often did the Boks get beyond two phases? How often did they advance without a kick? Go figure indeed.