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Pieter Steph du Toit is the 2024 Player of The Year

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ChippoPro3,372 posts
24 Nov 2024, 22:21
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24 Nov 2024, 22:21#1
An all-time great ???? Pieter-Steph Du Toit is the 2024 Men's 15s Player of the Year #WorldRugbyAwards
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sharkbokCaptain23,216 posts
24 Nov 2024, 22:54
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24 Nov 2024, 22:54#2
Well done, PSDT, one of the best rugby players of the modern era.

He is big, fast, skilful, and an expert at reading the game and positional play, with stamina that allows him to never tire. He is usually the only forward that Rassie keeps on the pitch for the entire match.

I hope he can maintain his form for another three years. He is currently 32 and will turn 35 in August 2027, just before the start of the World Cup.
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bobbok...Captain10,129 posts
25 Nov 2024, 00:36
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25 Nov 2024, 00:36#3


Don't Joe look like a middle-age Doc Craven ?

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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
25 Nov 2024, 03:21
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25 Nov 2024, 03:21#4

 

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
25 Nov 2024, 04:44
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25 Nov 2024, 04:44#5

I mentioed months ago - diring he RX+C series that D u Toit would be 2024 Player of the year,  for 2024.  His veratility and in ssence his bl ense is hat makes him difernt from oher nmineesm.   bkije ioher candidates he is always bear to where the ball is going and that is what puts him ahead of other contenders.

There can be no dount about Etzebeth bein g he est lock in he wrldm and one as to bear in min as well as the Dream team of he world at present:-

 World Rugby men’s 15s dream team of the year: 15. Will Jordan (New Zealand); 14. Cheslin Kolbe (South Africa), 13. Jesse Kriel (South Africa), 12. Damian de Allende (South Africa), 11. James Lowe (Ireland); 10. Damian McKenzie (New Zealand), 9. Jamison Gibson-Park (Ireland); 1. Ox Nche (South Africa), 2. Malcolm Marx (South Africa), 3. Tyrel Lomax (New Zealand), 4. Eben Etzebeth (South Africa), 5. Tadhg Beirne (Ireland), 6. Pablo Matera (Argentina), 7. Pieter-Steph du Toit (South Africa), 8. Caelan Doris (Ireland).

The one playe I dffe vrom he above is Damian McKnzie.    He was and is to  my  mind  ot he best fluhalf in the world.    I would rank all of he folowing as better flyhalfs than him:-

Smith, Pollard and potentially Feinberg Mngomezulu - but the latter has not played at flyhalf for the Springboks - but mostly at center in 2023 in tests,    If Sch as playing in mor tests this year and specifically playing at flyhalf he would have been the emerging Young Player of the Year,   Another all Rounder wit a hell-of-lot in ball sense and vey physical in what he delives,  as an all round player. 

I must add that the ne prblem o Marx as a hooke is his line-out throw-ins that is always a gamble,   He is a plaer hat losy mor balls in line-out hrow-ins tan even Grobbelaar is,   His otribuions ar just as henominal as P-S du Toit,    

As to the latter - if he maintains the standard of performances he maintained this year - the Playeof the Year in 2025 is quite possible next year ss well.

They mus be areful about elections - he fac that DeAllende being in the dream eam wuuld cause Mozart and Pakie seizures and mental collapses.   Combined  with Du Toit being in he team   as well - is not good for their mental health as well,

    

            

           

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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
25 Nov 2024, 05:18
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25 Nov 2024, 05:18#6

World Rugby men’s 15s dream team of the year: 15. Will Jordan (New Zealand); 14. Cheslin Kolbe (South Africa), 13. Jesse Kriel (South Africa), 12. Damian de Allende (South Africa), 11. James Lowe (Ireland); 10. Damian McKenzie (New Zealand), 9. Jamison Gibson-Park (Ireland); 1. Ox Nche (South Africa), 2. Malcolm Marx (South Africa), 3. Tyrel Lomax (New Zealand), 4. Eben Etzebeth (South Africa), 5. Tadhg Beirne (Ireland), 6. Pablo Matera (Argentina), 7. Pieter-Steph du Toit (South Africa), 8. Caelan Doris (Ireland).



Lol yes...how is it possible?...all hype né?

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PakieCaptain17,321 posts
25 Nov 2024, 05:44
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25 Nov 2024, 05:44#7

Well done, sir.

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PakieCaptain17,321 posts
25 Nov 2024, 06:05
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25 Nov 2024, 06:05#8

he fac that DeAllende being in the dream eam wuuld cause Mozart and Pakie seizures and mental collapses

Yes, how terrible. I don't know how I'll recover. 

There aren't much competition in the center bracket. Jesse is probably the best of the bunch right now at 13. Huw Jones is maybe another candidate. Ioane has been poor for NZ, Ringrose neither here not there. DDA is something you have to accept at this stage - the journalists frequently make stuff up that never happened to boost his ratings (attributing Fassi's scoring pass to him in the latest example), so he does have a bit of a golden boy aura in the industry. He's a nice enough bloke though so let him have it, it's not like any other 12s are producing stellar performances, although I thought Len Ikitau was good for Australia.

I'd definitely have Marcus Smith ahead of Dmac - vastly more influential. Probably Arendse or Duhan ahead of Lowe, who has been average at best on the end of year tour. Not sure about Lomax but I'm not a prop expert.

Might add that Tom Wright wouldn't have been out of place at 15.

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PlumCaptain21,007 posts
25 Nov 2024, 06:18
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25 Nov 2024, 06:18#9
Well done PSDT. He's been a warrior the last couple of seasons. Never thought he'd properly come back after his neck injury but he did. Very happy for the chap. lol DDA in the world 15 is a joke. Kriel, fine...but DDA? Again, we can look at PSDT performances and see why he was selected for this. Probably the same for Jessie. ...but with DDA...nobody can point to anything other people's opinions. Because there is no actual evidence of this magic he supposedly produces.
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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
25 Nov 2024, 07:29
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25 Nov 2024, 07:29#10

Mountains of EGG land on biased poster here. 

It's now official mozzietard's trashing ig Du Toit and indeed Rassie is the biggest blunder committed by any poster.

Then we get to the anti Alkende brigade. Allende has be praised by all and sundry but biased oaks here have been trashing him for years. Many also wrote off Kriel. 

How do these blunders happen. It's has a lot to do with ego. Mozzietard for example for some reason took a dislike to Rassie and was teasing this great coach way back to the time Rassie was player coach of Free State when they won the Currie Cup. With every success of Rassie he doubled down hoping he would be vindicated. He become I sensed that he was having his long nodecrunndex in it and became ever more unhinged about Rassie.

 Exactly the same allies to Du Toit. Poor Mozzie now of course realizes he has made a prize ass if himself regarding Du Toit so now is game is to say Du Toit has suddenly improved. Hahahahahahaha. Hilarious 

Look we all make mistakes some more than others. However this mozzietard nonsense about Du Toit is astounding. 

Hopefully Pakster and Plumster will reconsider their position on Allende. 

Another guy who must be in a froth is poor Doos who considered himself the ultimate rugby authority. Doos was totally insenced when the Boks won the RWC making outrageous remarks about Rassie and the Boks. After having a meltdown he flounced off in a complete huff. 

Mozzie had a more subtle approach saying it was all luck. I think in 2019 he argued it was the easy route we had to the final. Ou Mozzie actually leaves no stone unturned to belittle Rassie and the Boks success. 

Anyhow it's all grist to the mill and the way it turns out is hilarious! 

Saw the other day a compilation of all the dopes who said Trump couldn't win. There was NeoCon war Hawk and Globalist Uniparty shill Nikki Haley insisting Trump could win and voters must select her FOR THE GOP Nominee. This was the line adopted by NeoCon war Hawk mozzietard. Hahahahahahaha.  

Lots to laugh about. Although the Uniparty Rinos in Congress will work hard to obstruct Trump I think 2025 will be a year of revelation for hitherto ignorant bigoted boneheads on a variety of topics . 







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PakieCaptain17,321 posts
25 Nov 2024, 07:49
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25 Nov 2024, 07:49#11

Hopefully Pakster and Plumster will reconsider their position on Allende.

It's not bias, Beeno. Bias is when you deliberately ignore any good the player does - see ou Maaik on Esterhuizen, where Esterhuizen is always bad no matter what he does.

I give DDA credit when he does well and he's had a few good games this season, but I can also in any game where he is not good point to exactly what errors he makes and why that reinforces my view. It's an assessment, it is not bias.

There is far more positive bias towards him in the media than negative bias from me. Look at his Planet-Rugby rating this weekend. Makes three errors in a row (ball lost in contact, pass dropped, pass thrown to no one), gets yanked and replaced, but he gets an 8 (including getting credit for a pass that Fassi in fact threw), which designates an outstanding performance. It doesn't add up.

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
25 Nov 2024, 08:24
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25 Nov 2024, 08:24#12

Pakie

Tis situat ion has been goig on for years on  yur part - Du Toit is shit beccaue Mostert  mised tackles and Mozart  and  Pakie maaged  blame Du  Toit for te Mostr bugger ups by Mostert,     De A llende is shit and Et ser huizenis a saint t hat was dine in becahse he was not selected ahead of  De Allende.    It shows up Erasmus ia shit ebase hs doed not pick St Esterhuizen at inside imsode center =- a playe i 19 tests showed he never scored a try , never evena ssist in scoring oe and waspoor in defense compared to De Allende,       

By the way the latest shit against Du Toit because  he somehow did not  charge dn a droped goal is pure BS inevention by Mozart and supported by BS Bertie  Pakie,    Amazing stuf from both.    .      

    

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MpowerPro5,061 posts
25 Nov 2024, 08:47
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25 Nov 2024, 08:47#13
Beeno & Clevermike = Old women with wet Panties :) Well done Pieter, but it couldn’t have been by much, if you take in consideration how well Eben and Cheslin played this season…. And off course John Deere the tractor will be in the Dream team, he is like Blondie hyped up by the media…. This is the way of this cynical World in all Facets of life….
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
25 Nov 2024, 09:37
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25 Nov 2024, 09:37#14

Its is not a cymical world at all - it is a real world where BS reigns supreme that constantly get exposed by reality.    Take for instance  Etzsbeth  a top class  lock - but aely perorm ouside of Tight 5 play and played veryliltlle role inmost other facets  of he game and Kolbe who is a top calss fiisher   - probably he ebst in WR when other players give him an opening,  The best perormer i te wing position at present.

Perormance does nto count a cent when it comes to playes they aht and when they glorified layes they cannot produce evidecne confirming heir choices when they played on test level.   So Mostert is a betteer player than Du Toit and St Esterhuizen is an all time great center with serious pace and defene deficiencies and whose ball skills let him dwn cnstantly.  That is why for instance Esterhuizen cannot score tries on test level and cannot even assist in scoring of tries by the Springboks.   He is not a tractor at all - he is a donkey used as a center, but he has full  support by of the site idiots.   What a show of shit show they put up on site,               

  

     

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kingcornPro3,695 posts
25 Nov 2024, 09:50
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25 Nov 2024, 09:50#15

It is selected by former international players, so no fan involved, but if you listen to how the talk about each other, it is a bit of a love in. Where as the fans are super critical. Damian Mckenzie was rubbish at 10 for most of the year. Some of the Irish players like Gibson Park I have questions but no other 9 has in SA had a good run to assert themselves. 

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MpowerPro5,061 posts
25 Nov 2024, 09:58
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25 Nov 2024, 09:58#16
Aliens can’t even understand that post….yes Uncle C it’s truly a shit show or show shit?!
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PakieCaptain17,321 posts
25 Nov 2024, 10:10
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25 Nov 2024, 10:10#17

Aliens can’t even understand that post….yes Uncle C it’s truly a shit show or show shit?!

Another hissy fit full of strawmen.

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PlumCaptain21,007 posts
25 Nov 2024, 12:04
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25 Nov 2024, 12:04#18
It's a mental thing, dudes. Some board members see us dissing DDA as some kind of anti-Bok rhetoric. That's why they don't actually asses s how he plays but instead go with the opinions of others. If one were objective, you would be able recognise how much DDA does wrong. And these should be his golden years where he has all the benefits of experience and body that is close to its peak. I'm unconvinced that any number of far less experience youngsters wouldn't do better.
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MpowerPro5,061 posts
25 Nov 2024, 12:12
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25 Nov 2024, 12:12#19
Spot on plum….Most just go with the stream, swept away by the Dark forces of the Media and Management….it’s convenient as no thinking or analytics is required … But off course we will be the lost sheep now and in need of redemption :)
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
25 Nov 2024, 13:22
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25 Nov 2024, 13:22#20

Mpower

Read the following and find ut why Mozart, Pakie and you need similar crying sessions:-

Rep. Darrell Issa, R-Calif., took aim at Secretary of State Antony Blinken after it was reported that the State Department held therapy sessions for employees who were upset by President-elect Trump’s election victory.

"I am concerned that the Department is catering to federal employees who are personally devastated by the normal functioning of American democracy through the provision of government-funded mental health counseling because Kamala Harris was not elected President of the United States," Issa said in a letter to Blinken last week.

The letter comes after a Free Beacon report earlier this month that detailed two alleged therapy sessions that were held at the State Department after Trump’s victory, with sources telling the outlet that one such instance amounted to an information "cry session."


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PakieCaptain17,321 posts
25 Nov 2024, 13:30
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25 Nov 2024, 13:30#21

Read the following and find ut why Mozart, Pakie and you need similar crying sessions:-

Ehm, who's crying? Let's see..

Me:
He's a nice enough bloke though so let him have it, it's not like any other 12s are producing stellar performances, although I thought Len Ikitau was good for Australia.

Ou Maaik:
Tis situat ion has been goig on for years on  yur part - Du Toit is shit beccaue Mostert  mised tackles and Mozart  and  Pakie maaged  blame Du  Toit for te Mostr bugger ups by Mostert,     De A llende is shit and Et ser huizenis a saint t hat was dine in becahse he was not selected ahead of  De Allende.   

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MpowerPro5,061 posts
25 Nov 2024, 13:55
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25 Nov 2024, 13:55#22
As far as I can remember this is a forum where we discuss different view points…. We are definitely capable of giving credit to DR. Allendig and Blondie if it’s valid… But the Criticism given is also valid and therefore justified. Examples of that is right here on this thread where credit is given towards Blondie….when Dr. Allendig made that break for Kolbe,s try, credit was also giving to him. But the facts that he is a John Deere tractor mostly seeking contact, not a good off loader of the ball and a killer of good ball possession, is undeniable. The ability that we can see both and except it, points to a much healthier state of mind. Conveniently you ignore these facts, because it will make your bias opinion obsolete . You on the other hand see it generally all as BS …no matter if it’s right or wrong, which makes you completely Bias. Let us take Esterhuisen for example… none of the things you say about him is truthful, it is based on your own bias and make belief inside of your head…. Even if Esterhuisen is a class act and plays well and deserves credit , you are not capable of making that distinction and choose to rather lie to justify your Bias/illusion inside of your head…. So the therapy session or crying sessions, is much more applicable for you Uncle Mike. While you at it, take that Fake Preacher War Monger Hasbeeno with you!! :)
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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
25 Nov 2024, 15:05
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25 Nov 2024, 15:05#23

It’s really very simple. Erasmus has broken the club rules. Eben is too aggressive….but Dud Toit is a quiet bloke, who plays the game without attitude. If Eben steps into some of those dust ups and separates players  pats a few opponents on the back….he would probably have two of these awards already.

It’s a popularity contest….the most indispensable player in rugby is Eben Etzebeth. But Dud had his best year in 2024, and is now a much more complete player.

Half the Player of the Year awards have gone to loosies. Why is that? Because their contributions are more frequent than backs and more obvious than tight forwards.

It would be interesting if somebody came up with a proper analysis of contributions, rather than a bunch of rugby retirees in a room drinking Scotch and playing favorites. As it stands these awards and the World Team don’t tell you much.


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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
25 Nov 2024, 16:29
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25 Nov 2024, 16:29#24
But what it does tell you is that PSDT is one hell of a player
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MpowerPro5,061 posts
25 Nov 2024, 17:01
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25 Nov 2024, 17:01#25
Has there ever been different categories for best player of the year? Best loose forward, Best tight Forward and Best Backline player in the world?
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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
25 Nov 2024, 17:24
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25 Nov 2024, 17:24#26

Don’t think so…maybe there should be a match winner’s award. I’d give  Ox that for creating penalties. Pollard for never missing when it matters and Kolbe for scoring every possible try chance he gets. At the end of the day those are the players most directly linked to points. 

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MpowerPro5,061 posts
25 Nov 2024, 18:22
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25 Nov 2024, 18:22#27
Ox has been so important for exactly that reason, penalties…. that is the backbone of the Rassie slow poison grind them in the ground game plan. Then also his defence and hitting the rucks, he puts in a lot work. Wilco is definitely more active in his general play then he used to be, but I think he can still improve a little bit in that department. But as seen, he is the man and a tremendous destructive scrum machine . Can’t wait for him to go up against Taimaiti Williams :) Cheslin is a danger for any defence. I have said this before he is one of the only players ( Besides Gio Aplon and now also Arendse) that can cut a defence open, beating defenders at will. Him and Arendse has got points written all over them:) even Mapimpi can still rack those points. Fassi is another candidate that can cut defences open…. He just needs someone that can put him and the Ball into space... SFM will be that man or a Esterhuisen @ 12 :) Uncle Mike,s favourite player… PSDT has always been well behaved on field…very obedient and carries his heart on his sleeve….cries quickly, but as tough as nails. The poster player of Rugby. Eben is more the bad boy of Rugby or he used to be …like I said he now internalises that aggression and has matured. He gets the job done and just a pity that these knob head judges and the guidelines of WR, still holds him to that standard…. Can’t judge a book by its cover, these fools …
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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
25 Nov 2024, 18:41
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25 Nov 2024, 18:41#28

"Some board members see us dissing DDA as some kind of anti-Bok rhetoric.


That's why they don't actually assess how he plays but instead go with the opinions of others.

Not so Plum, we see, but see the whole picture...the DdA haters on here focus on the errors and ignore the positives...you refuse to see what's rigth in front of you.

If one were objective, you would be able recognise how much DDA does wrong. And these should be his golden years where he has all the benefits of experience and body that is close to its peak.


LOL...if you were objective you would know that he's not as bad as you think.


I'm unconvinced that any number of far less experience youngsters wouldn't do better."


Wel that remains to be proven



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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
25 Nov 2024, 18:45
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25 Nov 2024, 18:45#29

We've got a great team, but there's  always room for improvement...but it should be actual improvement, not wistful thinking...

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
25 Nov 2024, 18:57
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25 Nov 2024, 18:57#30

 Draad Mozrtnce wrote on site he has never  seen anyhig  positivce done by de Allende and Du Toit - in other words he refuse to see anthing postive about these 2 players/  He used to write reports on incidents in matches and invented incidents that he described falsely on what actually happened,   

That is why I took really no notice about his BS as I am fully aware of what he is expected to  come up with,             

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MpowerPro5,061 posts
25 Nov 2024, 20:28
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25 Nov 2024, 20:28#31
That Maddison Levi the ladies 7,s player of the year is a hot Ozzie :)
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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
25 Nov 2024, 21:15
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25 Nov 2024, 21:15#33
Too much muscle - I’m not a fan
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becsPro4,378 posts
25 Nov 2024, 21:21
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25 Nov 2024, 21:21#34

Very unflattering frocks. 

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
25 Nov 2024, 21:23
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25 Nov 2024, 21:23#35

Mike you are a disgusting liar, the only thing that prevents a response is the fact that you are so clearly in your second childhood. I won’t even ask you to find that quote, you probably have enough trouble with your own shoelaces.

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MpowerPro5,061 posts
25 Nov 2024, 21:30
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25 Nov 2024, 21:30#36
That’s the one Blob, in white…Well I find that dress wunderbar :) I don’t think her muscles is to big …are you scared she will bliksem you Dave? :)
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MpowerPro5,061 posts
25 Nov 2024, 21:34
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25 Nov 2024, 21:34#37
" Very unflattering frocks. " Classic Becs that Made me laugh:) Thank you.
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becsPro4,378 posts
25 Nov 2024, 21:55
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25 Nov 2024, 21:55#38

Hmmmm…….well, I think they could’ve looked much nicer in different frocks. 

Glad I made you laugh, Mpower  

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bobbok...Captain10,129 posts
25 Nov 2024, 22:18
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25 Nov 2024, 22:18#39

More like unfattening frocks

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PlumCaptain21,007 posts
25 Nov 2024, 22:35
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25 Nov 2024, 22:35#40
Draad, I'm evidence driven. As always, all I ask for is just that...evidence. Show me the world's best 12 performance that DDA put in this season. The games are all available for review. Pick your best one and provide the timestamps. I'll happily watch it a give my opinion.
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