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Pieter Steph du Toit is the 2024 Player of The Year

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
26 Nov 2024, 06:54
#41
26 Nov 2024, 06:54#41
Mozart
When Dave wrote about Du Toi bing a hell of a plaer - youcame up wih the following:-
"Don’t think so…maybe there should be a match winner’s award. I’d give  Ox that for creating penalties. Pollard for never missing when it matters and Kolbe for scoring every possible try chance he gets. At the end of the day those are the players most directly linked to points.'
As to kicking at goals I believe at  getting points (ie icking a goal - the waward si year should go to Sacha -  he got mre goalickig poits than Pollard thsi year"
And your xchildishness and BS still d not have any limits at all.   What i claimed you wrote about performances of your pet hate players and lies about incidens have been proven  a being true and correct,  
 
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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
26 Nov 2024, 10:17
#42
26 Nov 2024, 10:17#42

All too funny for words. 

Now the anti Rassie, anti Du Toit and anti Allende buffoons are getting humystericsl because nobody aside form the little groub of Mamparas agree with them. 

Nobody can anakyse the game like these half bakes. Bwahahahahahaha. 

According to poor Mozzietard 2024 is suddenly the year Du Toit started playing good rugby. 

Mampara trying to downplay Du Toit RUGBY PLAYER IF THE YEAR award notes, correctly that it was close when considering Cgedlin and Eben. However to be in the same bracket as these two great players means Du Toit is also great. 

How many rugby players have two such awards. 

No these clowns have made complete fools of themselves regarding Rassie, Du Toit and Allende. I could also add in Malherbe who mozzietard took a dislike to as well. Perhaps Malherbe has also suddenly improved this year. Hahahshshaha

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
26 Nov 2024, 11:53
#43
26 Nov 2024, 11:53#43

Beeno

There are two common factrs to Mozart pet hates/   If  Dave and I wrote neatively about retied  players Meyer  brought into he Springbok squad and menioed the slliness about Mattfield Mozart went on te attack trail in 2013 and it never stopped for the past 10  years.  Same with Malhebe - especially as his father was a lifelong riend of mine and when I menioned anything  the hate campaign started.   

When De A llende was foced into the RC in 2015 and played only three matches as cne partnes the hatred took unheard levels,  It stemed from the fact that De Villiers was injured and Forie was so fat and unfit that he was kicked out of he June 2015 training camp.

The lies about performances started afresh  in 2015 wih falsification of what ahppened in matches,   It reached now heights of using pet hatred  in 2018 and 2019/     If you compare what Mozart wriote about he De Alende try against Wales in the semi and what actually happend,  it was a clear case about is being invented by Mozart,   

The vitriol against Du Toit and De Allende was always total - but it started off against Erasmus in 2018/   He even wrote that SARU made a mistake - they should rather have retaied Coetzee than to appointe Erasmus,   It was obvious that  he lied all the ime when it came to Ersmus.   

In all the lies invented by Mozart of imgained try scoring opportunites and lies about defens e Mozart always had the full support of  Pakie//   One really womdes when the BS wold stop - but it never does. 

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PakieCaptain17,321 posts
26 Nov 2024, 13:37
#44
26 Nov 2024, 13:37#44

One really womdes when the BS wold stop - but it never does.

The BS will never stop

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PlumCaptain21,007 posts
26 Nov 2024, 13:52
#45
26 Nov 2024, 13:52#45

Fine, I'll ask the question then...

Is anybody here actually concerned about Mike?

I am. 

Mike, do you live alone? Are there other people around you? If not, how often do you see people... like anyone? 

I'm not trying to belittle you and put you down with this. But what is happening here isn't normal. It's not simply spelling mistakes. 

We've gotten so used to your posts being like this that I think we are looking past the fact that you may be in terrible health and not taking any sort of care of yourself. 

Guys...am I worried for nothing here? 



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MpowerPro5,061 posts
26 Nov 2024, 13:58
#46
26 Nov 2024, 13:58#46
" nobody aside form the little groub of Mamparas agree with them. " - That,s Rich coming from you, as most of your posts get ignored…. Besides that, everything you write is a blatant lie. Go read my post again and the post from Pakie and Moz. It’s very clear we give credit to Pieter and Dr. Allendig where it’s due. You try in vain to lie and turn our words around, when it’s clearly written for everyone to see. How Dumb can you be to think that anything you say has any credibility?! The amount of shyster you post on here, not to even mention Beeno,s trumpet is some kind of record. You mostly talking to yourself:) so the Main Mampara turns out to be you….Congrats! Two grumpy old ladies with wet panties …Uncle Mike just by the by, Again Aliens are baffled with that English…we know you can do better as you have proven please.
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MpowerPro5,061 posts
26 Nov 2024, 14:02
#47
26 Nov 2024, 14:02#47
Why is then that most of his post on Beeno,s trumpet is without errors? Also the other day his replies on my post, which was quite long, was perfect? I don’t know if you must worry and frankly will Uncle Mike really be truthful about his situation? Also who is willing to drive out to him to see what is actually going on there? Will he even allow it with privacy and all? Not that a person go there and end up with a load of buckshot in the backside :) The uncle is most probably armed… 3 hours drive to Riversdal from Cape Town side.
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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
26 Nov 2024, 14:08
#48
26 Nov 2024, 14:08#48
DA’s bust to set up the Kolbe try against England DA’s great hands to set up the Etzebeth try That’s two off the top of my head DA is pure class
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PlumCaptain21,007 posts
26 Nov 2024, 14:18
#49
26 Nov 2024, 14:18#49

"DA’s great hands to set up the Etzebeth try"

Reading that statement, versus the actual video...it's like the add for a us ed car versus the actual car.

..and then you're gonna tell us with a straight face that DDA hasn't drastically lowered the bar. He catches an easy pass and passes it to Eben. That's literally the entire description of the event.

Please elaborate on the "greatness" of it...


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PakieCaptain17,321 posts
26 Nov 2024, 14:30
#50
26 Nov 2024, 14:30#50

This is the highest echelon of the game. Catching a ball while standing still and immediately passing it 2m to the left is already routine in high school rugby. We did those drills while warming up back then.

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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
26 Nov 2024, 14:56
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26 Nov 2024, 14:56#51
Oh for crying out loud if you can’t see his good hands in operation because of the pathetic bias then I’m not going to bother The fact that he has occupied the 12 spot in potentially the best side ever keeping out the impressive Esterhuizen in the process, that he keeps making side of the year or dream teams clearly means everyone else knows fuck all and you few clowns think you are right Let’s just leave it at that I’ll leave you with his try set up for Kolbe and challenge you to come up with a better passage of play by any other centre during the November series
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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
26 Nov 2024, 14:59
#52
26 Nov 2024, 14:59#52
I’d love to see average meter per run stats for the 2024 international season….but now that ESPN is gone I know of no stats source available to the public.
My guess is Dud Allende is lower quartile.
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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
26 Nov 2024, 15:07
#53
26 Nov 2024, 15:07#53
Yeah he just made that dream team because he is the shitest of the 12’s
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PakieCaptain17,321 posts
26 Nov 2024, 15:18
#54
26 Nov 2024, 15:18#54

I’ll leave you with his try set up for Kolbe and challenge you to come up with a better passage of play by any other centre during the November series

I'll give him that.

Len Ikitau runs that close for handing off Sleightholme and then sucking in Smith with the no-look backhander that releases Jorgenson for the winner against England. And check out Donaldson's "quick hands" in the same move, since you enjoy quick hands Even flanker McReight gets in a quick hands.



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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
26 Nov 2024, 15:20
#55
26 Nov 2024, 15:20#55
Yes all good but none as good as DA’s set up
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PlumCaptain21,007 posts
26 Nov 2024, 15:57
#56
26 Nov 2024, 15:57#56
Ask for "greatness" in a pass to be explained. Literally one movement. No weirdness or external factors...hair bone movement/play. The response - Others says DDA is good so he must be. I mean, when you can't even provide the evidence from a clear-cut situation like that. Laughable.
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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
26 Nov 2024, 16:24
#57
26 Nov 2024, 16:24#57
Plum wake the fuck up it was a great quick pass from DA without which there was no ball to Eben and no try. It was not a straight forward process pass But unfortunately your pathetic bias sees it as a straightforward pass
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MpowerPro5,061 posts
26 Nov 2024, 17:54
#58
26 Nov 2024, 17:54#58
Are you guys talking about Eben,s try vs Wales?? If so, It was a normal pass from Allende to Eben…. But it was Eben and Arendse that did the hard work down the lefthand side, for Eben to eventually score. Any Backline player, even a forward player would have made that pass down the line. Credit must be given to the two players that actually made the try happen…it’s really pushing it saying that Dr. Allendig made that try….Honestly??
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PlumCaptain21,007 posts
26 Nov 2024, 17:59
#59
26 Nov 2024, 17:59#59
M Dave is calling the pass from DDA to Eben "great"... I shit you not.
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MpowerPro5,061 posts
26 Nov 2024, 18:09
#60
26 Nov 2024, 18:09#60
Wow, ok I suppose it was a good pass? But great , not so sure about that…. I have watch the wales game twice already and one thing that stood out for me, is how fucking solid our line out was with Mostert and his clean takes!! Off course Grobbies was excellent with his accurate line out throw’s. Then how good did Thomas do at LH and off Course with Wilco at Tighthead. Ok was not against the best scrum in Wales. Can’t wait to see that same Combo against the All Blacks and Ireland. Absolute Monster scrum! Scary stuff…
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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
26 Nov 2024, 19:09
#61
26 Nov 2024, 19:09#61
Fuck me there are some really piss poor rugby followers on this board Clueless
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RooinekCaptain18,117 posts
26 Nov 2024, 19:47
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26 Nov 2024, 19:47#62

I've never been the biggest fan of DDA. I'd much rather have a playmaker like Damian Willemse in the #12 jersey rather than a crash-ball runner like DDA and even if I was going to go for a crash-ball centre, I thnk Andre Esterhuizen has done enough this season to warrant the Bok jersey . . . but here's the thing . . . like it or not, DDA has been named in the World XV for the year and if all his many detractors would stop snivelling and bleating and rather name another candidate . . . well, that would make a welcome change.

No-one is calling DDA a superstar, the IRB have simply selected him as the best #12 in test rugby this year and in the absemce of any realistic candidates, I have to agree with them. Who else?

Yoram Moefana has been the weak link in the French backline, Bundee Aki has been injured or downright poor, Jordie Barrett has done nothing of note in the #12 jersey (in any season), Robbie Henshaw has hardly played and when he has he's done squat, Len Ikatau has had one or two good games recently but for the rest he's been a rather anonymous part of the worst Wallaby side in living memory who wer e thumped by the Springboks . . . so please, instead of just whining and bitching about DDA and telling everyone how useless he is and how much you hate him, put up an alternative. Tell us who should have been named at #12 for 2024. 

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RooinekCaptain18,117 posts
26 Nov 2024, 19:53
#63
26 Nov 2024, 19:53#63

Oh and congrats to Pieter-Steph du Toit, a Springbok legend.

As I said a week ago I would have picked Cheslin Kolbe but I have no problem with PSdT being recognised again for his consistently brilliant play and the hard edge he brings to the Springboks.

Now, imagine being the biased and prejudiced rugby noob who has spent the last few years trashing and denigrating this great Springbok. 

LMAO!

Seriously, how little must you know about rugby to call this warrior an ordinary plodder or a run-of-the-mill "process" tackler or whatever other derogatory terms have been used? I reckon you'd have to be so stupid that you can't even give Rassie Erasmus credit for winning back to back RWCs . . . oh . . . hang on . . . 

Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahahahahaha!

"Stick with Moz"? Yeah right . . . stick to knitting or flower arranging, Moffie, you egg-faced old fool.

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sharkbokCaptain23,216 posts
26 Nov 2024, 20:03
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26 Nov 2024, 20:03#64

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MpowerPro5,061 posts
26 Nov 2024, 20:18
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26 Nov 2024, 20:18#65
DDA fits the Rassie game plan as a crash ball runner and that is why he is there. His primary job is to take contact as he carries in traffic. He sets up rucks, from where the Boks can use there kicking game to force mistakes from the opposition. Then they get awarded scrums to force dominance and get penalties. It’s easy to name better skilled 12,s like David Kriel for instance, that can really transform our Backline attack play. But he would be a wasted talent being converted to a Dumb crash ball player like DDA. I suspect that is the main reason for Erasmus picking Dr. Allendig, as his main strength is to tractor. He does not have other skills to promote a real change towards a more structured playmaking Backline. Only now with Tony Brown there, it’s looking that we might move away from the Crash Ball mentality. With a player like SFM there is no other option as to get a playmaker 12 to enhance his attributes. Otherwise on the long run he will also be wasted talent. But for that to happen we HAVE to alter the Rassie game plan and then you can change personnel. But fact is, and that is why most complain, DDA is just a extra loose forward stuck in the 12 channel because of the Genius… What a waste I say, dare to be more and really transform with our plethora of dangerous runners!
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RooinekCaptain18,117 posts
26 Nov 2024, 20:24
#66
26 Nov 2024, 20:24#66

I see, so David Kriel is your nomination for the #12 jersey in the World XV for 2024, Emp ?

LMAO!

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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
26 Nov 2024, 20:27
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26 Nov 2024, 20:27#67

"Draad,


I'm evidence driven. As always, all I ask for is just that...evidence.


Show me the world's best 12 performance that DDA put in this season.


The games are all available for review. Pick your best one and provide the timestamps. I'll happily watch it a give my opinion."


Plum, your interpretation of the evidence is different than mine...I've got an INTP personality,  so my best decisions are intuitive...can't explain it, but I'm almost always right when I follow my gut...subconscious evaluation of all the data points and going with what feels right...never have I ever been disappointed when I listened to it...only when I didn't...


DdA does the odd stupid thing...at least once in every match, but his tracktoring and smashing thinhs up are much more than just effective...and his work at the breakdown adds another loosie to the equation...the Boks as a unit performs better when he's playing...I  like AE, and there's a case to be made for him to get more game time...him and maybe Willimse are the only players to come mildly close to having a crack at the Bok 12 jumper...but they have not even come close to being serious contenders to surpass him...and a lot of pundits agree...him making the dream team is no fluke...the best team on the planet performs best when he plays at 12...my kinda evidence. 

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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
26 Nov 2024, 20:36
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26 Nov 2024, 20:36#68

Plum, which match, in your opinion is the best game the Bokke ever played? ...off the top of your head...I know mine...

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sharkbokCaptain23,216 posts
26 Nov 2024, 20:38
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26 Nov 2024, 20:38#69

Delande has his days. He is good in tight test match games when there is no space. It is not often that people break his line of defence,

I am not his biggest fan, but I must admit I have seen him play an all-round game as the complete inside centre, but in other games, he becomes a loose forward.


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RooinekCaptain18,117 posts
26 Nov 2024, 20:43
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26 Nov 2024, 20:43#70

". . . which match, in your opinion is the best game the Bokke ever played?"

Best in terms of the quality and style of rugby, I'd have to say the 52-10 win over France in 1997.

Best in terms of excitement and enjoyment, I'd go with the 33-31 win over the Wallabies in 2002.

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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
26 Nov 2024, 20:58
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26 Nov 2024, 20:58#71
Spot on Draad - those that don’t get DA and his value for the Boks don’t actually know their rugby that well. They don’t get the reality of modern test rugby and the role of the 12 in it One only needs to look at the list of current 12’s to know what the role requires Fleet of foot steppers in DA, AE, Tuilagi, Lawrence, Aki, Danty, Tuipulotu , Kerevi etc - I think not But these clowns don’t get this obvious fact
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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
27 Nov 2024, 02:00
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27 Nov 2024, 02:00#72

Well, in terms of context and the opposition,  the 2023 QF vs France for me is probably the best Bok test ever...the 1997 match vs France was my previous fav bok test...when Slaptjips scores a hand full of tries...seeing the Bokke getting a standing ovation from a full capacity French crowd was special...

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
27 Nov 2024, 03:18
#73
27 Nov 2024, 03:18#73

The first test against NZ in 1960…won against the much fancied ABs by two brilliant backline strikes from far out. Probably our most important test win post WW2 and pre readmission,

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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
27 Nov 2024, 05:06
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27 Nov 2024, 05:06#74

Ja, well it's before my time...I wonder how how much footage is still available today.  

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PakieCaptain17,321 posts
27 Nov 2024, 05:20
#75
27 Nov 2024, 05:20#75

Bits and pieces on Youtube, Draad. Here's the first try on Ellis Park. Nice line from the 14. Love how all the players look about the same physically, regardless if they're backs or forwards.


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PlumCaptain21,007 posts
27 Nov 2024, 07:09
#76
27 Nov 2024, 07:09#76
Easy Draad... Boks v France in the recent WC. Started like a house on fire, slowly both sides realised how easily the other could score, the game tightened and was on a knife's edge until Faf ripped the ball to close out the game. DDA actually had a decent game. One were he actually completed a great pass to PSDT, who then gave it to Jessie to put Kolbe in with a grubber. And again, all everybody is describing about DDA's positive attributes is basically just loose forward stuff. Pollard isn't a 12, but look at how quickly the Boks began rolling up field when he came on. And all he did was to step before the tackle, hit the space and then pass the ball while the defender is hanging off him. It's literally that easy. He even passed one from the ground...something I swear I have NEVER seen DDA do. Draad, evidence can't be assessed emotionally. Which is exactly what one does when you use intuition. For me, it's fine to allow intuition to guide you to the evidence. But at some point you have to actually look at or present the evidence. Else it just "because I say so". So I maintain, based on how the DDA fans describe his best attributes, you may as well pick Roos for 12. He's younger, faster, far stronger and actually has decision making ability.
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PlumCaptain21,007 posts
27 Nov 2024, 07:30
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27 Nov 2024, 07:30#77
Also, apparently DMac is a better 10 than Marcus Smith this year. Smith is the best active 10 on the planet right now, by a country mile. And for some ridiculous reason these guys give Dmac the spot? Absolute joke.
Edit - For interest sake, is there anybody who disagrees that Marcus Smith was the player of the autumn internationals?
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Devil's AdvocatePro7,008 posts
27 Nov 2024, 07:54
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27 Nov 2024, 07:54#78

My best game is probably the 1998 Tri-Nations game against the All Blacks where we down for the entire game....but scored 3 tries in the last 10 minutes to beat the All Blacks 24 - 23.

From almost certain defeat, we turned the game on it's head in the last 10 minutes to secure a fantastic win.

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
27 Nov 2024, 09:38
#79
27 Nov 2024, 09:38#79

Draad

I was invited to the Match  by a major watee engineering firm and  before the match started went t the entertainment tent  - where I met some senior staff  officials 24 myears after I left the Deparment and they spoke to me for near to 2 hours about what we  did when I was one of their project team parners in projects.

But that was neither here nor there - before the match started we awere all at or seats and there I stayed until the end of the match - most of the oher guests left  by miute 60 and when I saw the people at the tent after the match  I told them you missed a bloody good match   

As you stated the Springboks scored three tries in 10 minutes  - the first two tries were very good  and certainly showed good play by the Boks - bu he ird one stemmed from panick by the AB's.   The gave away ree enalties one after the other.  The  final one ended in a coner kick from where the Springboks scored the winnning try in he last minute of the match,


        

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