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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
19 Dec 2022, 23:00
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19 Dec 2022, 23:00#1
15 Ange Capuozzo (Italy): The World Rugby Breakthrough Player of the Year is your full-back after he received 33% of the votes, getting in ahead of Willie le Roux (25%), Freddie Steward (21.6%) and Jordie Barrett (20.4%). Moments of magic from the Azzurri youngster, which included setting up Italy’s key try against Wales in Cardiff, obviously caught your eye as it’s some going to be picked ahead of these three top-quality 15s. Now at Toulouse, Capuozzo has a bright future. 14 Kurt-Lee Arendse (South Africa): Damian Penaud must be wondering what more he had to do to impress you following his hugely impressive 2022, but the France wing misses out with 32% of the votes to Springboks flyer Arendse, who finished with 35.8% of our readers voting him in. The Bulls and South Africa star has been outstanding and his form for the Boks in the latter part of the year saw him pick up tries for fun. Will Jordan and Darcy Graham were next best. 13 Lukhanyo Am (South Africa): Maybe a slight surprise seeing as he missed from September onwards due to injury, but in the months before that he shone for the Sharks and Springboks. It was emphatic, though, in the end, as Am picked up a whopping 62.1% of the votes, with nearest challenger Rieko Ioane only on 19.9%, which surprised us somewhat. But what do we know as the classy centre – talked about as the best player in the world earlier this year – is your number 13. 12 Damian de Allende (South Africa): Joining Am in midfield is a familiar face as you voted De Allende as your inside centre as he took home 44.8% of the votes. To see off Bundee Aki (9.8%), who had an outstanding Six Nations and July series, Grand Slam winner Jonathan Danty (17.9%) and Barrett (27.5%), who found a new home at 12 towards the end of 2022, takes some doing but it was accomplished with ease. De Allende has certainly added to his game this year. 11 Emiliano Boffelli (Argentina): The streak of Springboks in your backline ends with a Puma getting the nod at 11. We couldn’t agree more too, as the goal-kicking wing has been outstanding for his country this year, with sweet strike after sweet strike helping Argentina to wins such as the historic ones over New Zealand and England. He gets in over Marika Koroibete (25.3%), who sparkled before injury struck, with James Lowe (21.4%) and Monty Ioane (8.2%) next best. 10 Johnny Sexton (Ireland): A comfortable win in the end for Sexton after an outstanding 12 months as he used the disappointment of missing out on 2021 British & Irish Lions selection as motivation, and it showed. Sexton demonstrated just how imperative he is to Ireland‘s Rugby World Cup challenge in France late next year, and their supporters will hope the 37-year-old can stay fit and in this kind of form. The Leinster man had 46.1% of the votes, with Richie Mo’unga second. 9 Antoine Dupont (France): The second largest win margin in our positional polls came at scrum-half, where Dupont picked up 72.6% of the votes. The France and Toulouse maestro had another impressive season for both club and country as, like Sexton, his importance to his country’s chances at next year’s World Cup cannot be downplayed. All Blacks scrum-half Aaron Smith (14.1%) was next best, with Ireland’s Jamison Gibson-Park and Australia’s Nic White just behind him. 8 Ardie Savea (New Zealand): Another nailed-on starter in your team was New Zealand’s Savea, who claimed 59.9% of the votes. Savea has been one of, if not the best, player in 2022, and we are still at a loss why he was not among the nominations for the World Rugby’s Player of the Year award. France’s number eight Gregory Alldritt and Ireland’s Caelan Doris followed thereafter, while Pablo Matera came in fourth spot, with Savea a popular choice after an outstanding campaign. 7 Josh van der Flier (Ireland): Speaking of the World Rugby Player of the Year, Van der Flier was the winner of that coveted gong and unsurprisingly takes your seven jersey. He took 54.6% of the votes, with South Africa’s Siya Kolisi next on 34.7%. The Ireland and Leinster flanker has been in incredible form. 6 Peter O’Mahony (Ireland): Joining Van der Flier on the other side of the scrum is Ireland teammate O’Mahony as he proved his worth to head coach Andy Farrell with a run of fine form on the blindside flank after Doris was moved to number eight. He will turn 34 during the early stages of next year’s Rugby World Cup but, like Sexton, O’Mahony’s experience will be key if Ireland are to finally go deep in the global tournament. A quality Test player who looked rejuvenated in 2022. 5 Tadhg Beirne (Ireland): The Irish streak continues in your pack as Beirne was an emphatic winner as he picked up close to 50% of the votes. Lood de Jager was next best but still well behind in the voting as Beirne cantered to your number five shirt after another impressive 12 months for province and country. The all-action lock ticks every box as a rugby player and has shown yet again this year what a special talent he is. Around the field, in defence and at the breakdown, he’s superb. 4 Eben Etzebeth (South Africa): The same can be said of Etzebeth, who boasts the highest percentage for a positional vote with 82.2. In truth, this poll was only ever going to go one way as the Springbok has been outstanding as an enforcer this year. Dominant in the air and on the ground, what a specimen he is. 3 Tadhg Furlong (Ireland): After some comfortable winners it was good to see the three shirt go down to the wire as Furlong and Frans Malherbe were neck and neck until the end. You went for the Ireland and Leinster tighthead, though as he finished with 47.4% of the votes to Malherbe’s 41.3%. While the Springbok has been rock solid at the set-piece all year for the Boks, it seems Furlong’s more complete game and famous side-steps swung it. Both, though, are immense front-rows. 2 Malcolm Marx (South Africa): A surprise call next as we didn’t think the hooker poll would go this way, which is in no way a criticism of Marx. Julien Marchand (France and Toulouse) and Julian Montoya (Argentina and Leicester Tigers) have been outstanding over the past 12 months, and both finished with 25% of the votes, while Samisoni Taukei’aho had 7.3%. But it was the Springbok who came out with this shirt, cruising with a 42.8% return. All four have been excellent. 1 Steven Kitshoff (South Africa): Another surprise? Maybe. France loosehead prop Cyril Baille is overlooked as yet another Springbok, Kitshoff, gets the nod with 40.5% in our final poll. Baille ended up with 29.2%, while England prop Ellis Genge was next best on 24.4%, with Argentina’s Thomas Gallo bringing up the rear on 5.8%. In fairness, Kitshoff has been ultra-dependable for South Africa and shows, whether off the bench or starting, what a key cog he is in the Bok arsenal. So here we go again, with de Allende selected at 12, but we have some ignorant fools on here telling us he is crap. Jokes on you as always Impressive to see that Willie, Lood, Malherbe and Kolisi were all second choices to the players voted for in the end
DE
Deus Ex LemurPro2,355 posts
20 Dec 2022, 00:35
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20 Dec 2022, 00:35#2

The worst attacking team in test rugby has both centres! And yet, their only creative attacker didn't make the team (Willie)! 

I think Saffex takes Planet Rugby a little too literally. They aren't any kind of authority on rugby! I'm having such a good laugh at how Saffex cleaves to them like a wilting man-baby his Marvel comic collection. The bigger the effort, the greater the fail, the harder the lolz! 

SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
20 Dec 2022, 01:09
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20 Dec 2022, 01:09#3
Let’s think about this Doos - should I pay more attention to your rugby takes or that of two different rugby sources selecting the team of the year????? I’ll get back to you on this as it will take some in depth deliberation on my part
DE
Deus Ex LemurPro2,355 posts
20 Dec 2022, 01:14
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20 Dec 2022, 01:14#4

You do whatever the heck you want. In fact, please carry on. I'm enjoying it! 

SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
20 Dec 2022, 01:30
#5
20 Dec 2022, 01:30#5
Nothing like laughing at your own profound stupidity hey You and your bumchum Fruitloop should meet for tea?
CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
20 Dec 2022, 02:14
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20 Dec 2022, 02:14#6

People participating on planet Rugby competitions and their readership were  asked to vote on the issue and in most cases the majorities were used to help identifying the team they think is the best.  In the case De Allende got 44% of the vote - so I think l'Grande Merde thinks those 44% of the vote are dumb - he alone and Mozart are the ones who claim otherwise and according to them the majority of people who think otherwise are idiots.   They should look in the mirror when it comes to the Idiots Stake Race .         

MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
20 Dec 2022, 03:57
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20 Dec 2022, 03:57#7

Six Boks…..they must have won the RC and had a great year end tour? Wait..they lost the RC  to the ABs who have one player in the team? Gosh that is some seriously screwed up logic. But hold on it’s a readers’ team and PlanetRugby Forums are heavily South African weighted. Okay. That makes sense.

As for Dud Allende he certainly added to his game….aimless grubbers when we had 3 man overlaps.

CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
20 Dec 2022, 08:15
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20 Dec 2022, 08:15#8

Another lie and you have the cheek to make that statement.    Probably happened four times in akill games played and one of those resulted in a try.   the 3 man overlap was BS Mozart dreamt up.    Even when a try was scored from one of the kicks the refrain wa it should have been better f De Allende passed the ball - what arseholes the two are. 

MP
MpowerPro5,061 posts
20 Dec 2022, 08:57
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20 Dec 2022, 08:57#9

1 thing I think all of us can agree on is that Duh Allende cannot distribute the ball very well.....well atleast playing the Role that R&N has got him playing......so maybe if Tassenberg and his Butt buddy decide to let him play a more expansive game, he might distribute better.....but @ the moment he is nothing more than a crash test Dummy.....planet Rugby is some kind of fantasy league game....not to be taken seriously ....my opinion.

DE
Deus Ex LemurPro2,355 posts
20 Dec 2022, 09:33
#10
20 Dec 2022, 09:33#10

Mpower, gamelan has nothing to do with a player's ability to throw a short or long pass off either hand. Damian has been tried in every possible configuration since 2015, and he has shown no ability to be able to do these things accurately. That's one of the reasons he ended up with the linear game, as Meyer pulled the plug on all the plays and shapes he worked in for the Stormers in his disastrous 2015 Super rugby campaign as Australia saw right through them, and he could not function at a high level. The only hope was to then have him target the inner channels with blunt running, which didn't exactly help the team succeed. Damian has had every opportunity to show he can do more, he simply cannot deliver. Why? He is not talented enough for test rugby. 

MP
MpowerPro5,061 posts
20 Dec 2022, 09:50
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20 Dec 2022, 09:50#11

Well I have seen him play better in his days @ the Stormers ....and that inner line together with blunt running, is exactly what's keeping DDA in the team.....a extra loose forward....So the talent part is not of importance, he fits the R&N mold and Gameplan.....When Esterhuizen played it was much better for our attack and things might change in 23, but I doubt it.

DE
Deus Ex LemurPro2,355 posts
20 Dec 2022, 10:11
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20 Dec 2022, 10:11#12

Damian is not an extra loose forward. No function of his role in the blueprint is anything like an extra loose forward. This is just terminology that has been thrown out ignorantly by those who don't and can't analyse film. Talent is important as it exacerbates the poor coaching. Damian is at his very worst trying to play like a fully developed senior level centre. His skills have never been good, and this is actually the best version of him. The one everyone gushed over was immeasurably worse! 

SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
20 Dec 2022, 11:56
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20 Dec 2022, 11:56#13
It’s just great seeing these teams selected making your lots names mud in the process I’ll keep it simple - regardless of how many Boks make the side one certainty is this - no average player would make that side. Some calls would be close amongst great players but the fact remains - if de Allende makes two of these sides it kind of evidences how utterly rugby ignorant you lot are It’s one thing me telling you this but it’s lovely having the rugby world backing me up But you lot keep spluttering on, it’s a laugh a minute If you can’t see the huge value in DA you simply don’t know your rugby and that’s a fact
DE
Deus Ex LemurPro2,355 posts
20 Dec 2022, 12:27
#14
20 Dec 2022, 12:27#14

Saffex, you are no rugby guru. Save the chest beating for your next braai, stud. 

SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
20 Dec 2022, 13:50
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20 Dec 2022, 13:50#15
Compared to you I’m a rugby God
MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
20 Dec 2022, 15:19
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20 Dec 2022, 15:19#16

Dud Allende has a role because we don’t have a Savea….a loosie that is a productive ball carrier. Dud Toit is ALWAYS smashed in the first tackle. Kolisi has ceded the ball carrier role. So Dud Allende, and Wiese who is more effective at what Dud does, bash away.

The thing with Dud his fans don’t  get is he does the running at half pace….and then when tackled he tractors. It’s all in slow motion,  allowing defenses which may have been out of place to reset.

So the consequences of a typical Dud possession are, 1.5 metres gained, a reset, with a totally re- organized defense waiting for the next ball carrier. He kills all momentum.

DE
Deus Ex LemurPro2,355 posts
20 Dec 2022, 16:07
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20 Dec 2022, 16:07#17

Damian runs no more at seams and the interior, rather, in the middle of the line, where he is smashed. He has been steadily moved further out, but it hasn't worked. The dilemma is that Damian started out as a 13/wing hybrid, but cannot stand insolation and command the line or tackle with authority, he also is no playmaker or distributor. So, Meyer was the one who focused him on the inside at 12, limiting his decision making. Meyer crafted that role for him that became the blueprint ever since. Erasmus is obviously wondering as he is shifting the midfield around. I don't think he is as confident in Damian as he once was. So he is has been shifted further out, even with a 12 on his back. He can't pin down a position. 

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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
21 Dec 2022, 00:21
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21 Dec 2022, 00:21#18
de Allende is by far the strongest centre in the game and with that comes forward momentum every time he carries But as he showed with a good couple of breaks in the season he is more than capable of beating defenders through skill In modern test rugby there is no greater asset than a player giving you go forward As Will Greenwood said - you stop DA you stop the Boks
MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
21 Dec 2022, 01:05
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21 Dec 2022, 01:05#19

Kerevi is the strongest centre in rugby…..Dud Allende is a retard they are now teaching to kick.

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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
21 Dec 2022, 01:13
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21 Dec 2022, 01:13#20
Nope DA is stronger than Kerevi and the odd grubber does not define the very impressive DA Other test 12’s out there other than Kerevi are of little consequence as they make little impression and why coaches keep changing their centres The Boks are fortunate to have the power of DA at 12 and the creativity of Am at 13
CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
21 Dec 2022, 02:07
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21 Dec 2022, 02:07#21

Gave thinking about the 2023 WC - the best cneter cmbination would eb De Allende at `12 and Willemse at 13.   The latter was extremely dangerous in the teams he played against in the various series this year - but he will be better at 13 where he has more space to operate in as at 12.

To even discuss rugby with Mozart and l'Grande Merde is wasting time - they ahve no idea of rugby,        

DE
Deus Ex LemurPro2,355 posts
21 Dec 2022, 02:08
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21 Dec 2022, 02:08#22

Kerevi has effortlessly run right over Damian and thrown him aside each and every time he has run at him. Kerevi has also stopped Damian in his tracks. However, this is nothing special as every opponent centre outclasses Damian. The only Bok who has physically dominated Kerevi, forward or back, is Esterhuizen. Damian is literally weaker than Adi Jacobs, with less skill, and slower, inferior defence and much less smarts. Damian is a poor man's Jorrie Muller. 

SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
21 Dec 2022, 02:15
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21 Dec 2022, 02:15#23
Oh Doos you are so funny
CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
21 Dec 2022, 05:43
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21 Dec 2022, 05:43#24

Mozart

Kerevi rarely played this year in tests due to injury and fuckwits are still carrying on about him in this case.   So he should be picked as center when he did not play in enough matches to be considered.  The same can be said of any rugby topic the idiots try to use and reign supreme when they write shit on site.             

MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
21 Dec 2022, 05:50
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21 Dec 2022, 05:50#25

So Dud Toit has hardly played since the WC and you still think he’s relevant. Nobody said Kerevi should be selected given his injury….we are saying he has dominated Dud Allende historically. Please stop projecting your stupidity.

CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
21 Dec 2022, 06:06
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21 Dec 2022, 06:06#26

What the hell has that to do with the item posted by Dave.   As per normal you are the rugby  idiot in this case.   

MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
21 Dec 2022, 06:12
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21 Dec 2022, 06:12#27

It’s too subtle for you….don’t worry about it.

CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
21 Dec 2022, 08:19
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21 Dec 2022, 08:19#28

And you think the same of Vermeulen?  

PL
PlumCaptain21,007 posts
21 Dec 2022, 10:21
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21 Dec 2022, 10:21#29

Surprise surprise...

When it comes to the Emperor's Clothes, we rely on the opinions of others as evidence.

Here's yet more evidence from our side...

Every try the Boks have scored since the 2019 WC. Now count how many times DDA is involved in making the scores or scoring himself. Is this what Musk means when he talks about the "Great Filter"?

We know that DDA's fans will count him touching the ball during any phase of the play leading up to the try as an assist. Because these are the lies they tell themselves...

Edit: the links still works. Just click "Watch On YouTube.


MP
MpowerPro5,061 posts
21 Dec 2022, 14:04
#30
21 Dec 2022, 14:04#30

1 Try vs AB, OZ and ARG.....1 Break and Pass for Mapimpi,s try vs Scottie??

TH
TheTraditionalistPro4,003 posts
21 Dec 2022, 15:42
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21 Dec 2022, 15:42#31

those 44% of the vote are dumb -

Dumb, no (not enough elements to state that), clearly biased, yes.

People giving too much credit to the vote, failing to see an obvious bias, on the other hand display a dumb behaviour.

IRB ranking: IR, FR, NZ, SA rugby.

In the team: five irish players, one french player, one NZ player, six SA rugby players.

Six players are a lot, nearly half of a team. Usually, this treatment is reserved to teams that've just won a major competition (and not always) as it is more cohesive with a recent result.

Most of the so called knowledgeable rugby fans are in all likelihood unable to name a full french squad without looking up at notes.

The presence of six SA rugby players in the team without any team performances to back it up come with consequences.

One is that the other potential candidates are not outstandingly better than their SA rugby counterparts (as it is the belief reflected by picking up the french fly half with such a wide margin) therefore allowing SA rugby players to be picked. On the average, they are only slightly worse than other candidates, meaning they can be picked without jeopardizing the team average. It could have been many other names but by personal preferences, people picked SA rugby players.

That is one interpretation among many. That is favourable to SA rugby.

Another one is to take at face value the team list. It disparages SA rugby.

All the SA rugby players named in the list are indeed the best. It reflects poorly on the level of their teammates as the latter brought down the general contribution of the other marvellous ones.

France went unconquered for the year, beating all the other teams named in the list. Yet one player only. Either the only one is such an outstanding player he lifted all the others above what SA rugby players contributes or the other SA rugby players, the ones unnamed in the list are so poor they wasted the contribution of all the other named in the list.

SA rugby would be six brilliant players dragged down by many sub par players, reflecting a deep issue in training and drilling.

TH
TheTraditionalistPro4,003 posts
21 Dec 2022, 15:46
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21 Dec 2022, 15:46#32

Spent a few minutes reading the team of the year lists from this site since 2019.

Summed it all.

These lists tell more about people taking them at face value than on rugby players' performances.

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