Player Evaluation ater the Japan test in 2015

In looking for some documents on my PC I came across the following written as player performance evaluations after the Japan fiasco in 2015.

The evaluations were made by -

*   Beeno - in most cases only indicated by a "B"

*   Myself

*   Average from a public survey held after the game

*   The Rapport Newspaper

Zane Krichner

Beeno                         =     3

My own rating              =      3

General public rating      =      3

Rapport Rating              =      4

Lwazi Mvovo 

B                              =       4

My own rating              =      4  

General public rating      =      5

Rapport Rating              =      5

Jesse Kriel

B                                       6

My own rating             =       5

General public rating     =       5

Rapport Rating             =       5

Jean de Villiers

B                                =     4

My own rating             =       3

General public rating     =       3

Rapport Rating             =       3

Bryan Habana 

B                              =      5

My own rating             =       4 

General public rating     =       4

Rapport Rating             =      5

Pat Lambie

B                               =      5

My own rating             =       5

General public rating     =       5

Rapport Rating            =       4

Ruan Pienaar

B                               =     3

My own rating             =      2

General public rating     =      2

Rapport Rating            =      4

Schalk Burger

B                               =      6

My own rating             =      4

General public rating     =      5

Rapport Rating            =      4

Pieter-Steph du Toit

B                                 =   5

My own rating            =       5

General public rating    =       5

Rapport Rating            =      4

Francois Louw

B                              =      5

My own rating            =       3

General public rating    =       5

Rapport Rating           =       5

Victor Matfield

B                               =      0

My own rating            =       2

General public rating    =       4

Rapport Rating            =      3

Lood de Jager

B                              =      8

My own eating            =      7

General public rating    =      7

Rapport Rating            =      7

Jannie du Plessis

B                              =      4

My own rating            =      3       

General public rating    =      3

Rapport Rating            =     3

Bismarck du Plessis

B                              =      4

My own rating            =      3

General public rating    =      4

Rapport Rating            =     5

Tendai Mtawarira 

B                               =     4

My own rating             =      3  

General public rating     =      4

Rapport Rating            =       4

Trevor Nyakane

B                               =      4

My own rating             =      5  

General public rating     =      4

Rapport Rating            =       5

Coenie Oosthuizen 

B                              =        1

My own rating            =        1

General public rating    =        2

Rapport Rating            =        1

Eben Etzebeth

B                              =        6

My own rating            =        5

General public rating    =        5

Rapport Rating            =        5

Siya Kolisi 

B                              =        2

My own rating            =        4

General public rating    =        5

Rapport Rating            =       6

Fourie du Preez

B                              =        5

My own rating            =        5

General public rating    =        5

Rapport Rating            =       6

Handre Pollard            =         

B                              =        7

My own rating            =        6

General public rating    =        6

Rapport Rating            =       6

JP Pietersen 

B                              =        4

My own rating            =        2

General public rating    =        4

Rapport Rating           =         5

It is interesting - the indications were that the players I always claimed was in fact the reason  for the loss was largely correct.   Please note - the best Springbok player was beyond doubt Lood de Jager

Man how good were my ratings.

Beeno the source you can rely upon!

These rating are way off. 

Schalk and Victor were our most productive forwards. Kirchner was our most productive attacker. Kriel did nothing all game but gift Japan a try. Lood had two bug runs and was anonymous. Pienaar was better than Lambie. Steph was anonymous, being significantly less productive than Victor.

How many more times do I need to give you a bloody nose over this test? You were wrong, are wrong and will always be wrong.

Whenever I post the game here and challenge you to prove yourself you slink away. 

AO

Sorry - but dreamworld fairy tales do not go anywhere in proving anything.   Fact is the team was evaluated by more than one institution and members and the fact is that -

*   Kirchner was rated as totally sub-par by all four of the contributors  and very badly so - they were in fact all stating that he was to poor to be considered for further tests and he vanished from the scene after that game - if he was any good why did the latter happen?

*    Schalk knocked on four balls and made no headway in carries - he was in fact non-productive and as a very popular player in the general public manage to get 5 in the survey - but did he really deserve it?

*    Matfield was a joke and he could not get a 5 to save his life.   He was rated very poorly by both the public in general and the Rapport newspaper.  There was NO indication that he deserved a higher rating than he actually got since on the day he was useless, 

Look - fact is that Matfield did his normal after his return to test Rugby - he destroyed the Springbok Tight 5 in that match. 

Your rating of Pienaar is laughable at best.        

https://www.ruckersforum.com/forum/rugby/springgoat-player-rankings/24112/

My summary after the match.

Forum » Rugby » Meyers Goat's Rankings 

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Jannie- absolutely useless. 

I'm not interested in what our rugby public think. Their track record has been abysmal to say the least. Perpetually wrong, exceedingly slow to catch on.

Kirchner

1. Pass: 5
2. Run: 9
3. Metres: 81
4. Defenders Beaten: 3
5. Clean Breaks: 1
6. Offloads: 2
7. Tackles: 2/0

1. Pass: 6
2. Run: 8
3. Metres: 17
4. Defenders Beaten: 0
5. Clean Breaks: 1
6. Offloads: 2
7. Tackles: 10/0

1. Pass: 0
2. Run: 7
3. Metres: 10
4. Defenders Beaten: 2
5. Clean Breaks: 0
6. Offloads: 0
7. Tackles: 4/0

1. Pass: 15
2. Run: 22
3. Metres: 37
4. Defenders Beaten: 2
5. Clean Breaks: 0
6. Offloads: 4
7. Tackles: 10/1

1. Pass: 1
2. Run: 6
3. Metres: 17
4. Defenders Beaten: 3
5. Clean Breaks: 0
6. Offloads: 0
7. Tackles: 4/1

Why did you leave out the stats of de Jager from the above - total nonsense as per normal.    

He wasn't my primary concern. The rest, every bit correct, exactly as stated. What did Lood do outside of two runs? I posted the game, go fetch. 

That is exactly why your kind of evaluation is meaningless and totally biased.   You kept on saying Matfield was better than De Jager - but would name the stats of Matfield and not those of De Jager.   Some people would call that dishonesty.

As to line-outs - who called the line-outs?  Obviously Matfield - but was there any driving mauls in that game?   If there was it did not meet the requirement of Meyer as to his game plan   

The one run let to a very good try being scored.   Silliness does not count with me and you are silly in this case. 

Matfield fouled up and AO claimed he was better than De Jager.  

 Anyway - I posted this as a warning that Erasmus must not make stupid selections for the WC next year the same way Meyer did.  

if you have any doubts about player performance consult Beeno's ratings. End of story!

Organhuffer thinks the length of this arguments proves he is correct. Hahahahahahahahahahha

Worst Bok on the field - wee matfiled!

Klop Bob!

No Mozart

A totally wrong summary again.  Sure it was a shock for Meyer and for the team and it soon became clear that the elderly Meyer picked was not going to make the grade.   

He had to change the team afterwards to try and correct the campaign - but the damage was done and we ended up forced to play some rookies - as the elderly failed badly and that included Matfield.

As a last measure Meyer adopted a game plan used by the Bulls in 2004 and eliminated the backline from attacking play and they were there only there as defending dummies.   

To summarize - the fiasco showed up that the squad selection was seriously flawed and the elderly like Matfield were handicaps being detrimental to the campaign and it let to a disaster insofar as the game plan used is concerned.    

No Mozart

You missed the point completely.   The point is that the squad was all wrong - totally wrong,   It started off with inclusion of duds in the squad and so many players virtually with zero reference to performance.

To say that Matfield made the grade in the WC insofar as performance is concerned is utter crap.    De Villiers should never have been there - he was poor in games after his injury.   How many players where there on holiday?  Start off with Alberts, Morne, Payne, Kirshner, Pienaar, etc.   

Then to claim that Matfield was better than De Jager was top class BS.   He was not.   The passengers resulted in young players having to be overplayed because the old guard was nowhere near capable of performing.   It caused Du Toit to be played at 7 - where he has not played for three years before that because Alberts had a fat strain.

To end up relying largely on players with less than 10 starting tests is to go in totally unprepared and looking for disaster.

To claim that Meyer clamped up and introduced a total BS game plan and say it was in line with what Erasmus is doing at present is not even remotely true.   Erasmus would never play the  totally predictable game that was played by Meyer's goats.

There are some things to be recognized  and given due consideration in future, namely -

*    selection should be based on performance and not only reputation;

*    Meyer had 3 years to develop a suitable squad to go into the WC - which he did not do so as to prevent ending up with totally out-of-form players and newbies with extremely limited experience;

*     the WC is a tough competition where players must be rotated to allow them a rest during games - Meyer ended up with a squad where rotation was impossible because there were too many passengers in the squad,   

Erasmus do not have the same length of time to develop a proper squad and he is in 5 months doing a better job than Meyer did in three years.

This thread was started a s a discussion topic not to refer to it as an attack on anybody - rather to discuss what is to be done to prevent another selection scandal iro o f the 2019 WC squad.    

Mozart

Meyer left huge gaps as a result of his selections and he was succeeded by a fool with no idea about coaching.  It took Erasmus only four months to get SA on a higher grading than Meyer had the Springboks in September 2015.  

No use hiding behind fiction to get away from facts.  

Yes, lets forget those ugly games, but to those who still want to prove an issue, here is the full game.

So how many years did Erasmus have to try and correct the shambles he inherited from Meyer and worse still Coetzee?   On average Meyer's teams were rated as no 3 in the world - Ireland was not bad either - but being no 2 now was only achieved over the last 2 years.   

It was not the rating that was the problem in the Meyer era - it was the shambles he left as a result of his selections ending up with totally inexperienced players in the WC and subsequently, 

It is also the dishonesty to claim that in the WC selections Meyer looked at performance as the norm for selection - when Meyer himself said he selected players he knew "what they were capable of in the past".   It is further dishonest to claim that some players like Matfield did better in performance than they actually did.

No Mozart - the reason why Meyer wanted his contract renewed and found out that it would not - he suddenly declared he is withdrawing his candidacy and then claimed that being the reason for his contract not being renewed.  

Too many defensive fables are being used to cover up the mess Springbok rugby became since 2012.   At last there are now signs of recovery and those are discarded claiming dishonestly that the game plan of Erasmus is employing is the same as the game plan Meyer used.          

Sure - Coenie was one of the players who with his injury history should not have been selected for the WC squad - that was clear before the start of the WC.   But he was not he only one - there were far too many others as well.   

It was in fact stated at the time that Meyer was emptying the hospital wards in his selections and that was a fact as well.  

Blikkies, you can put this game where a monkey puts his nuts .