Player of the Year nominees

"Pieter,s lack of commitment in second Irish test was evident in him not even trying to block winning drop goal…."

Lack of commitment, what nonsense?

All three players mentioned by DbD have had a great season but the five pointers and plays that Cheslin has made make him standout as exceptional.

Respect all the players mentioned but Cheslin has made some unbelievable catches and five pointers.

Not sure if the Boks will ever be able to find a replacement for him once he calls it a day.

OUTSTANDING Springbok.

The anti PSDT sentiment on this site is absolutely ridiculous and totally detached from the rugby reality of most fans of the game...un fuckin believable.

SA vs Ireland 2nd test players ratings:

4. Eben Etzebeth – 6

Living life on the edge and perhaps past it, Etzebeth led the Bok defensive line and was pinged for being offside a few times. Ultimately, he got more right than wrong but lacked that trademark ‘big play moment’ that has been the backbone of his game throughout his career as he carried seven times for four meters.

7. Pieter-Steph du Toit – 6.5
South African Rugby’s totemic figure had an unusually nondescript first half but grew into the contest throughout the second half. Smashing into breakdowns, Du Toit wrestled back control and stifled the Irish lightning-quick ball but, like his compatriots, struggled to get over the gainline at any point. Defensively he displayed his customary work rate with seventeen tackles to top that department for the Boks.

Draad stop the hysterics. Look at the second Irish drop and the two phases before that. Watch Dud Toit dance back from a ball at his feet…and deal with the facts 

AJ, yes...Cheslin is something special...I think he might have edged the other 2...but it's damn close.

Listen, chump, instead of showing your poor upbringing with your language, why don' t you at least attempt to back up your big talk.

I might be providing player ratings (by independent sources) but it's still a lot more than what you're putting up.

I repeat, If Eben is named Player of the Year it's not a bad choice, because he may well have deserved it last year but it's a bit of a joke this year when PSdT has outplayed him in every test match they've both started together in 2024.

You may not like that but at least have the courage to put up some views that contradict my claim instead of just spouting your own rugby noob opinions.

Personally I think they both had great seasons, as did Kolbe. But Eben is in my view the one player who could turn any of the 5 leading countries into the best team in the world. He should have got it last year….and it would be a travesty if the best lock of all time never wins it.

Do you want to help him out?

Well I'd have to rewatch every game for a real opinion, but if you want to rely on journalist ratings, Rugbypass scores Eben 8 to 7 Steph for England, Citizen the same, 365 both 7, MSN Eben 7 to 6 Steph, Ruck has it as close as 8 to 8.5 for Steph. So hardly unanimous or significant.

Moffie is known for having an obsessive hatred for PSdT and his whiny contribution to this debate has already been annihilated.

If Moffie wants to help Emp in finding a 2024 test match where both players started and PSdT didn;t outplay him then he's welcome but his own jaundiced and biased opinion doesn;t count for anything.

By the way I'm still saying Cheslin (a player Moffie was cathing of for many years) should be player of the year but I'm also arguing that PSdT is ahead of Eben for 2nd or 3rd place.

"Draad stop the hysterics. Look at the second Irish drop and the two phases before that. Watch Dud Toit dance back from a ball at his feet…and deal with the fact."

Did you see a "lack of commitment" there? Hysterics my big fat arse...stop deriding an all time Bok great...an error here or there does not equate to a great player suddenly becoming ordinary...this is probably the greatest Bok team ever and a few on here are constantly looking for some horse shyte reasons why they aren't...with you in particular leading the charge...it's beyond positive critique...it's actually disgustingly un patriotic...ya ya, I know...spare your breath, I know.

Second All Black Test, I was just waiting for you to ask me (sic)

4. Eben Etzebeth – 8
Immense. As he so often does he seemed to grow as the game approached its crescendo. He has developed this new trait of receiving the ball, standing still for a moment and then cranking through the gears as his powerful legs compel him over the advantage line. Is there a better lock in the game at present? Just an enormous contribution from the enormous man.

5. Ruan Nortje – 6
The occasional good read on the All Blacks lineout, as well as some stiff carries and tackles, doesn’t quite make up for the chaos that was the Springboks’ lineout in the first half. Too many decoy jumpers and overcomplicated routines looked a bit amateur at times. But he will learn from the experience and deserves credit for making 16 tackles, more than anyone else on the pitch.

6. Siya Kolisi – 7 (replaced by Kwagga Smith, 56)
Was everywhere. In the loose, in heavy traffic, charging with the ball and hurling himself into contact. Did it all with a fractured cheekbone having promised this week that everything he did on the pitch was for his country. Sometimes the guff served by the Boks can be saccharine, but when it is backed up by performances such as this one it all starts to make sense. That he scored the try that shifted momentum is a fitting thread to the narrative.

7. Pieter-Steph du Toit – 7
Not his usual elite performance but he still hammered 13 tackles and made 31 metres in the carry, mostly into two All Blacks from close range. That might be his most quiet game in green and it still deserves an above average score.

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Schplottttt!

Of course Rooinek soured a pleasant string and Draad pathetically supported the man that treats  him like a door mat. Fortunately I was able to answer the silly challenge. 

You two really are seriously screwed up characters,

Wehe . . . so I Google "SA player ratings vs England" and paste the first three results that I find . . . and then Moffie runs off to scour the internet and half an hour later he finally finds one that gives Eben a higher rating and posts it with a triumphant (but plagiarised) "Schplott".

LMAO!

The pathetically biased view s of the Grumpy Old Men (think ou Maaik when it comes to Andre Esterhuizen or Moffie when it comes to PSdT) are well known on this board. Anyone who takes either of these two decrepit old clowns seriously needs to have a long hard think.

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Go on then . . . which is the test match in this calendar year where Eben and PSdT both started where Eben ouplayed PSdT or had more influence on the outcome

So that was your challenge…here’s your answer:

4. Eben Etzebeth – 8
Immense. As he so often does he seemed to grow as the game approached its crescendo. He has developed this new trait of receiving the ball, standing still for a moment and then cranking through the gears as his powerful legs compel him over the advantage line. Is there a better lock in the game at present? Just an enormous contribution from the enormous man.

5. Ruan Nortje – 6
The occasional good read on the All Blacks lineout, as well as some stiff carries and tackles, doesn’t quite make up for the chaos that was the Springboks’ lineout in the first half. Too many decoy jumpers and overcomplicated routines looked a bit amateur at times. But he will learn from the experience and deserves credit for making 16 tackles, more than anyone else on the pitch.

6. Siya Kolisi – 7 (replaced by Kwagga Smith, 56)
Was everywhere. In the loose, in heavy traffic, charging with the ball and hurling himself into contact. Did it all with a fractured cheekbone having promised this week that everything he did on the pitch was for his country. Sometimes the guff served by the Boks can be saccharine, but when it is backed up by performances such as this one it all starts to make sense. That he scored the try that shifted momentum is a fitting thread to the narrative.

7. Pieter-Steph du Toit – 7
Not his usual elite performance but he still hammered 13 tackles and made 31 metres in the carry, mostly into two All Blacks from close range. That might be his most quiet game in green and it still deserves an above average score.

Game, set and Match!

so I Google "SA player ratings vs England" and paste the first three results

Asks for contrary evidence, gets presented said evidence, scoffs at evidence because evidence was found by using a search engine. Strange, I thought that was how you found things on the internet.

As to your original claim:

Is that your only claim . . . the last test . . . where every rugby website diagrees with you?

Well I guess MP is not the only making contentious claims, huh?

"Of course Rooinek soured a pleasant string and Draad pathetically supported the man that treats  him like a door mat. Fortunately I was able to answer the silly challenge. 

You two really are seriously screwed up characters"

I support the facts the way I see them...the fact that me and Rudehole is in agreement with that is inconsequential...and a mathematician like you should know that...the fact that you can't recognize that is actually more consequential...I stand by my principals as I see them, regardless of which side of the fence...if you still don't know this after all these years,  mabe you should invest in a pencil sharpener...

And yet, it's 3-1 to PSdT on the websites found.

Schplott!

Just out of interest, is this the only test match you and MNoob are disputing? There were several others . . . how about the winning test against the Pumas when PSdT scored 2 tries . . . or the 1st Wallabies test when PSdT scored another try and was praised by rugby followers around the world . . . or are you two clowns going to just push the England test and hope that 6 -1 doesn't seem so bad?

Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahahahahahaha!

Just admit you were wrong…this is a CleverMike type moment. Stop trying to introduce new elements into the argument, it’s transparent.

Go ahead, you can do it, you’ll feel better.

I see, so if I dare to state that PSdT is more deserving than Eben (and at least provide some evidence to support my claim) then I'm a sad loser who needs to get a life.

Got it.

Doesn' t change my view that PSdT has done more this year than Eben to deserve the award . . . but I'm still with the great Cheslin Kolbe.

"Geez bro get a life and it will ultimately never make you feel better about yourself, to brake other people down…."

It is what he does...it will never change...he's a misrable cretin, even when he's not completely wrong ...the fact that I'm agreeing with him on the issue, does not mean that I agree with the way he's doing it...you know that né?

M I put literally no value on these ratings. A few sites have some kind of model, most just cite a few things they think they saw and make up a number. Mostly it’s a popularity contest for camp followers.

Okay….enough of that crap. We have deserving candidates. Hopefully they don’t give it to Doris. That would be tough though, in turning down Eben last year the team could have felt a bit disrespected. Only once before has that happened Dusatoir of France got the award in 2011 after some dubious reffing in the WC final.

Agreed...3 great candidates with Ox the glaring omission...we should have had 4 nominees...we were robbed...what a game changer Ox is....

No-one is debating your opening post chump, and I doubt anyone cares who you rate or don't . . . you started this with your response to my post made at 17h08 where you disagreed and refused to substantiate your rebuttal with anything other than your own biased and subjective opinion.

I stand by what I said that PSdT has ouplayed Eben in every test match they've started together this year and is therefore a more worthy selection. If you want to actually dispute that like an adult then go ahead . . . the floor is yours.

"Stop this act  ( it's  not an act) of yours because it ain’t working and in actual fact there is definitely signs that you are not this Dickhead , (there are?...where?) but somehow you try and up keep it… 

You're wasting your time...it's not an act, it's the persona of one of his alters...this is how he is and how he wants to be....he's never gonna change...like a force of nature...accept it and living with it.

Having 3 in the mix (should be 4) says it all.

For the moment we're simply the best.

Caelan Doris is a worthy candidate . . . but for me, Cheslin Kolbe has been the difference in more games than any of the others.

I think Sacha would have wrapped up the breakout player if he'd stayed fit and shown his talent in the EOYT, but Wallace Sititi will probably get the vote . . . and it's hard to argue.

Hilarious thread with the Rugby noobs being taken to task. 

Mozzietard is back pedaling on Du Toit so fast that were the 100 m run backwards he would be a sure winner. Suddenly after all these years of trashing Du Toit he now claims that suddenly Du Toit has been much better this year. BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

I see Keo supports Du Toit who is possibly the greatest 7 EVER but thinks Cheslin will win the award.

All three Cheslin Etzebeth and Du Toit deserve the award. It's absurd that Chekin and Etzebeth haven't won the award yet and might never win it. 

Tough luck on Ox not being nominated. I also think Pollard could have been nominated. 

Rooitwit should apologise for hurting poor wee mampara powers feelings. Draad should not be so harsh on poor wee Rooitwit. Mozz should try being more objective rather than posting biased nonsense. Hahahahahahaha. 

Not back peddling HasBeen acknowledging what I see on the field. Here’s an interesting data point. I looked up Piet Spiere, the dominant world scrummager in the early sixties.  Check out his weight….Dave wouldn’t accept him at center. The game has moved on:

This sia funny hread and  ey silly well as well.   Mczart  refer to teh AB test as to his disgust De Allende was the MOM and not Etzebeth,   Whenever he cmes up with anything he is a loser.

Now let me get abck to the past - in 2023 Du Toit was Player of the year because the Spring boks won the WC and Du Toit's election took plae only becuse the S pringboks win the WC/   and  Du Toit wa usekessm and hsi sleco aa sham.  

Player performancs ae assessed by experts with detailed performance in resspect of all tesds usl match  perfromance in every test played.     it has nothing t do with perofrmance sin one test,    The assssment akes into account all tests played.

Over the last 60 years the weight and size f player improved rapidly and Piet spiere was Pietr Stef Grandfather.    In 1938 there wa a Nel at lock described by the NZ papers as a giant ad he w also 6'1" tall,     The guys those years got their strength dvelopment from hard farm work  and helthy farm foods,    The times has changed and today's players ae much bigger and stronger,    There are also grworh and strengthening foma very og ge available to kids and crcate the bigger players we have at present,

The breakthrough players list is pretty tough. Feyi-Waboso has started really well for us but I should think Sititi might get the award.