Pollard is the clear choice

Actually I really like Manie as an offensive flyhalf. I agree he is closer to Larkham ball in hand than any other 10 I can recall.

But I recall a time where Jantjies was the ‘attacking genius’ great offloads, incredible step, the player who was going to unlock our back play.

Then we discovered, as if it wasn’t obvious before, he couldn’t tackle and he couldn’t kick under pressure. Sound familiar.

Larkham never kicked, perhaps we can find a similar solution. But if not, this is going to eat away at his confidence and viability. 

I buy it was windy in CT, although it dropped by 10 mph during the game. But he missed that kick by 5 metres according to some anecdotes. That can’t be wind…..look at Hastoy’s kick which was shown from behind as Manie’s should have been…..it hardly curves at all.

Jantjies had his critics on here, I'd guess more critics than fans, I was one of them and as I recall I said he was a pretender and I can't ever recall him imposing himself on a game. Libbok at his worse has some question marks around him but he doesn't suffer the same disdain as Jantjies...not yet anyway. Time will tell whether Libbok will step up and restore the confidence of the majority of fans b ut already I feel he's made the step up into the test arena.

Fair enough.

I was quite vocal before the world cup, that I was concerned about Manie's kicking well before the world cup started, and it looks like I was right to be concerned, because his confidence was definitely not there in some of those pivotal moments....

Manie did however play some very important parts in games which directly led to us winning that specific game....France in particular....even though it was a team effort we won.

I think everybody likes Manie. What didnt help Elton was the haircut and some of the things he got up to early in his career. 

Most here want manie to do well. 

I agree Plum, I most certainly do

If his kicking woes continue, it will heavily bring him down though...

I genuinely hope that doesn't happen

Why are we talking about someone's kicking problems when he's just kicked 4/5 in very difficult conditions and has a kicking percentage comparable to every other place kicker we have?

The other thing I find interesting is that the same people slagging Manie Libbok off at every opportunity are the same people grumbling about the limited Springbok game plan and advocating that we should run the ball more. Surely Manie is the solution to their problem rather than someone to be criticised and denigrated all the time?

The other thing I find interesting is that the same people slagging Manie Libbok off at every opportunity are the same people grumbling about the limited Springbok game plan and advocating that we should run the ball more.

ja, amazing and true....it's called having 50 cents each way.

Let me help….we aren’t slagging Manie off….we are saying his kicking is unreliable. His mid sixties stats confirm this. And his defense is poor. Do  the Boks just accept this is the price for playing him….or do they find solutions.

Some people appear to be content that his kicking took the Stormers out on Saturday, even if he had a big role in2 tries. The more constructive view is he needs work or we need to find somebody else to do the kicking. Right now I’d have more faith in Willemse on a pressure kick.