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Polynesian Boys showing support for Folau

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redsmanPro1,710 posts
01 May 2019, 05:17
#1
01 May 2019, 05:17#1

https://www.news.com.au/sport/rugby/rugby-star-claims-all-pacific-island-players-might-as-well-be-sacked-in-response-to-israel-folau-saga/news-story/5d3d727bd52e7f4b782c02bf51b7a935


Interesting new take...


I'd love to see all the polynesians in NZ stand up and show some balls like these aussie based Polynesian boys... 


Alas... I think them and their hijab wearing PM I dont think they have the gall. 


and.... Raylene Castle - seriously... the original kiwi Gothic scared of the light vampire women running the show... what else do rugby australia expect... 

Lost support and respect of the majority of rugby community in this country... 

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
01 May 2019, 05:40
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01 May 2019, 05:40#2
It was easy for Australian Rugby.....up till this point. Now it gets hard whichever way they go. The mistake was to overreact to the original tweet...probably because it seemed Folau was going back on his commitments. What they didn't get is Folau's first commitment is to his religion...the same seems to be true of other Polynesian players. It all hinged on the interpretation of Folau's remarks as hateful, rather than Folau's explanation that it was concern.....who knows the truth, but surely he deserved the benefit of the doubt.
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redsmanPro1,710 posts
01 May 2019, 06:42
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01 May 2019, 06:42#3

The thing is rugby is fickle in this country at best... Waratah supporter interest has dropped hugely as without the Super Rugby's RECORD try scorer they and the Wallabies have no chance.

NBA / Rugby League / Soccer will all be the big winners...

The fact the Reds' players even feel they need to apologise for their beliefs is a disgrace in itself... 

For the record - Izzy would have mentioned the scripture not out of hate - its not his personality - it was some kind of imbalanced 30yo zealotry...  

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DennyCaptain12,893 posts
01 May 2019, 07:28
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01 May 2019, 07:28#4

Rugby Australia do not have the $3m to pay out his contract, it's for that reason they decided to keep Cheika even though he was a cheap burn at $1m.

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CleanCutPro9,905 posts
01 May 2019, 13:05
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01 May 2019, 13:05#5

I am delighted to see the Polynesian standing up for Folau.

He'll be encouraged to see that he's not facing this on his own ... that there are people like Vunipola and many others cheering him on.

I bet Australian Rugby thought this would be over quickly. They've opened up Pandora's box and there's no shutting it again.

They've bowed to the faggot running the show at Quantas ... and people like Foley and Hooper will have alienated many a fan because of their stance on buggery.

Great to see that there are still folk out there with morals.

Fills one with a little hope.


 

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MoonroverPro1,973 posts
01 May 2019, 13:07
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01 May 2019, 13:07#6

New rules of Australian rugby will stipulate every team must have 2 professing pooftahs 's in it.

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CleanCutPro9,905 posts
01 May 2019, 13:11
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01 May 2019, 13:11#7

Pooftas?

Haaaaaaaaaaaaahahahahahahaha!!


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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
01 May 2019, 14:52
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01 May 2019, 14:52#8

Polynesians have not been brainwashed to accept the whole LGBT BS. Great they stand up against all thi s globalist drivel.

See that female objection to men participating in their sports is growing and they are winning. To hell with all this perversion being forced down our throats. Thank goodness someone like Hussein Obummer isn't president and forcing females to accept male pervs in their bathrooms. The tide is turning!

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sharkbokCaptain23,251 posts
01 May 2019, 15:16
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01 May 2019, 15:16#9
The Polynesians probably should not be playing for Australia. This is what happens when you recruit international renegade players. 
They do not have modern-day democratic values - because they can't understand why Folau's extensive list of sinners isolates most of the honest population. 
They can't accept that they may just be believing in a fairy tale - the tooth fairy or Santa Claus -  just a means to insult people - and calling it freedom of expression under the banner of religion. 
Kevin Pieterson did the same thing to the England cricket team when he sent SA players tips as a joke. The reality was it was not an honour for him to play for England. He liked playing international cricket for his own grandeur - not for the privilege to represent his own country. He probably would have loved to have played for South Africa.

Australia Rugby is trying to sell a product to as many people as possible. Why isolate over 80% of the population by condemning them to hell. They want the country behind them - as many people as possible. 
- Repenting will not work for most people.  Committing the same sins on a weekly basis then repenting for them is pointless. Who exactly does not lie? 
If people are honest with themselves and they do not believe in repenting - then most of the population of Australia are going to hell - and have to live with self-anointed elevated people of God here on earth in the meantime. 
It is surprising to see Buddhism being forsaken for a Western religion by people in the East. 
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CleanCutPro9,905 posts
01 May 2019, 15:39
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01 May 2019, 15:39#10

Well ... we know that you've taken lying and idiocy to new found highs ... so trying to explain it to you would be pointless ... even a dumbed version would be a little tough for you to grasp, Stupid.

Tell me something ... when you read, do you mouth out the words loudly?

Just curious.



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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
01 May 2019, 16:11
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01 May 2019, 16:11#11
I'm inclined to believe redsman....I'm guessing Folau has difficulty expressing the emotions he is experiencing. He is clearly a religious man with strong beliefs....when he tells us he was sincere in his warning, it rings true. To lie about his intentions would make a mockery of what motivated him to talk in the first place. That doesn't mean an employee can say anything they want.....the organization has a right to dismiss an employee that doesn't fit the culture. But other employees may choose to side with the cause.
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
01 May 2019, 18:24
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01 May 2019, 18:24#12

SB

You talk of the following in your comments:-

"They do not have modern-day democratic values - because they can't understand why Folau's extensive list of sinners isolates most of the honest population. 
They can't accept that they may just be believing in the tooth fairy or Santa Claus - so it is just a means to insult people - and calling it freedom of expression under the banner of religion."
Do you not  accept that modern day democratic values allows for freedom of religion if they wish to practice it and that modern day democratic values includes doing away totally with freedom to practice whatsoever people believe in?  
Is it not the right of people to have a religion if they wish to practice one as such?   Has anybody stopped and question your atheist believes and try and forbid you to believe as you do?
Your second sentence is total garbage - religion has been part of human life for thousands of years in some form or another and played a major role on cultural development  and on development of democracy - why are people not to be allowed to believe in anything?
I do not think what you wrote has anything to do with "democratic values" but rather in denigrating millions of people that obviously do not agree with your viewpoints.    Lets get to real "democratic values".   The way you put is democratic values are only the right and privilege of atheists? 
   


sharkbok
sharkbokCaptain23,251 posts
01 May 2019, 19:26
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01 May 2019, 19:26#13
Clevermike,
I have already been over this point with you. 
It is not offensive for you when a Christian says this because it is your belief. However, if another religion or atheist did the exact same thing - you would find it offensive. 
For example, 
Folau  A Christian Muslim has since been stood down by the NSW Waratahs after posting a Bible Koran passage claiming hell awaits “drunks, homosexuals, adulterers, liars, fornicators, thieves, atheists, Christians and idolators” unless they repent and turn to  Jesus Christ  

Muhammad



1.) Are any of his atheist teammates using social media to condemn Christians or other religions to hell? Or calling Christians hypocrites on social media. Or saying that anyone that does not share or/and convert to "his" view is going to hell. (And his version of Christianity). Or telling Christians if they do not forgoe religion- then they will go to hell (no afterlife).

If a non-Christian player in the team did this, Christians fans would be on their high horse. The freedom of speech angle would be thrown under the bus in seconds by Christians as offensive to their beliefs and non-beliefs.


2.) If it was a Muslim team member saying that everyone should convert to Islam or die here on earth, everyone would take offence. This is not freedom of speech as it is insulting to other people.  
3.) If a Jew said that everyone who does not share their beliefs is a heathen - and therefore a lower form of life here on earth - before the Jew goes to heaven. The right-wing Jews believe that they are God's people - and the rest of people are just cattle.

For people that do not believe in Christianity, it may as well as have been down to the Easter Bunny.
  1. Faloua has isolated the Australian Fan base, 
  2. The players- his team are having a civil war. (Australia & Waratahs)
  3. Rugby administration is in chaos. (Australia & Waratahs)
All so this silly praat can be a hero in social media.Everyone has heard this drivel in Sunday school about God punishing people and the need to repent. He is not achieving anything by this other than getting a few "likes" on Facebook and Instagram from fellow simpletons.

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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
01 May 2019, 21:19
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01 May 2019, 21:19#14

Sharktwit is possibly a Muslim posing as an atheist?

He hates Christianity and would love to ban it. He is after all an anti democratic  bigot of note and a very silly billy who cannot be taken seriously. 

Go Folau give them the Good Message.  

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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
02 May 2019, 06:35
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02 May 2019, 06:35#15

I do not think what you wrote has anything to do with "democratic values" but rather in denigrating millions of people that obviously do not agree with your viewpoints.    Lets get to real "democratic values".   The way you put is democratic values are only the right and privilege of atheists? 

That sums it up nicely Mike. His infantile selfish views are however shared by an increasing number of people  these days. 

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redsmanPro1,710 posts
02 May 2019, 07:29
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02 May 2019, 07:29#16

The craziest thing about the whole saga is:

Folau = clean living athlete that is a true role model on and off the field. Makes social media comment that is para-phrased scripture - maybe NIV or some other translation. Yes it perhaps comes across a little imbalanced... but... he really hasn't done anything that wrong... except in the eyes of goth woman Raylene (AB double agent) and Alan (Irish) - good way to knock the Wallabies in a WC year... 

VS

Multiple players in this code and others that have been CHARGED with serious and criminal offences ranging from illicit drug use, to domestic violence, drink driving and other common assault charges... but to name a few... dont even get me started on the rugby league players... and yet RL closed the door to Folau already too.


This could well be the nail RA coffin... well managed Raylene an you please go job hunting now to another code I dont care about.


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CleanCutPro9,905 posts
02 May 2019, 08:01
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02 May 2019, 08:01#17

SharkShit ... I'm not sure why I'm engaging you on this subject as you've proven yourself totally ignorant. You reason like a 5 year old ... like my gardener does. In fact ... is you name Philemon?

In an attempt to understand you ... are you saying that you would like the Christians to tell you homos that it's ok to dip your wick in sheeeeat, and that the diseases that come from this act is just a natural part of life ... so no problem, dip away?
Huh?
Or how about giving the thieves a thumbs up to steal my car or other peoples property? Would that meet with your approval?

That it's acceptable to murder those you don't like?

That we have no issues with you getting drunk everyday and bashing your wife black and blue?
That worshiping gods made of wood is fine with us ... in fact I have a nice garden Gnome that I can lend you for a spell, if you like?
That fornicating is fine as well ... and that you should have at it? Everyone does it.

That the Muslims lust for blood and death falls within acceptable parameter?

Would that make us Christians more acceptable to you?
... or is there something else that irks you about the Christian and the God we serve ?
Be truthful now. You and I both know that there's more to this than you're admitting to. 

Are you a Devil worshiper? Is that why you have his image as an avatar? Is he your god?
You can tell daddy?



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CleanCutPro9,905 posts
02 May 2019, 08:05
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02 May 2019, 08:05#18

Interesting post, Red.



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RooinekCaptain18,117 posts
02 May 2019, 08:49
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02 May 2019, 08:49#19
Redsman, I think the key point that you're leaving out intentionally (or else don't even realise), is that Folau was rapped over the knuckles by Rugby Australia the last time he used social media to push his anti-gay agenda and he was warned in no uncertain terms not to do it again.
You and many others are making out that Folau is being persecuted for his beliefs. He's not, he's being fired for doing exactly what he was asked nicely not to do again.
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CleanCutPro9,905 posts
02 May 2019, 09:19
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02 May 2019, 09:19#20

They had no right to insist on it and now it's escalated into something they have no control over.

Fired? ... I don't think so. It's what they'd like to see happen. He hasn't backed off though ... in fact he's picking up a lot of support from all over the place, so we'll see whether he's suspension results in dismissal.

Of course arseholes like you would rejoice to see him ousted ... and yes, he is being prsecuted for his beliefs.

Try to wake up, will you!!

 


sharkbok
sharkbokCaptain23,251 posts
02 May 2019, 10:50
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02 May 2019, 10:50#21

Not one Christian can answer what they would do, think or say if a person from another religion did exactly the same thing.

It is obvious that Christian happy clappies would be in an uproar - and would certainly not respect these other religions right to freedom of speech. 

For athiests, it is an insult regardless of the person's religion. (Christian, Muslim, Jew, Garden gnome, Easter Bunny, piece of wood, Baal) 


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Devil's AdvocatePro7,008 posts
02 May 2019, 11:06
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02 May 2019, 11:06#22

Well, if Folau has so much support from fellow international Christian rugby players...... why don't they all just do exactly what he did as a Christian and post the same stuff on social media and deal with the consequences afterwards....

Show some solidarity...… as fellow Christians

After all, they are then all putting their collective fate in the hands of their God, so all should be good

What could go wrong...….

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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
02 May 2019, 11:33
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02 May 2019, 11:33#23

Rooinek : "May 02, 2019, 08:49

Redsman, I think the key point that you're leaving out intentionally (or else don't even realise), is that Folau was rapped over the knuckles by Rugby Australia the last time he used social media to push his anti-gay agenda and he was warned in no uncertain terms not to do it again.


You and many others are making out that Folau is being persecuted for his beliefs. He's not, he's being fired for doing exactly what he was asked nicely not to do again."
The first issue is, does RA have the right to prescribe to their players what they may or may not say about religion? And as for his "anti-gay agenda"....nonsense. Last time he was asked his opinion about it and gave an answer according to his believe. 


sharkbok

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May 02, 2019, 10:50

Not one Christian can answer what they would do, think or say if a person from another religion did exactly the same thing.

It is obvious that Christian happy clappies would be in an uproar - and would certainly not respect these other religions right to freedom of speech. 

For athiests, it is an insult regardless of the person's religion. (Christian, Muslim, Jew, Garden gnome, Easter Bunny, piece of wood, Baal) 



Horse manure! Boy you are full of it! TRO LL....You live to offend and are probably the biggest hypocrite on site. Your ilk that lead to communism and will probably destroy western civilization.



 
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
02 May 2019, 12:29
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02 May 2019, 12:29#24

SB

No - it would amount to not applying undemocratic principles applicable in civilized and free countries,    There may be cases where extreme views are expressed  on site, but that is not what happened here.

A man expressed on internet his won feelings about issues -  he threatened nobody with any form of harm whatsoever.    He is a hero of many people and that may cause other people to follow his example, but that is not a real deduction.

What happened here is going ballistic about something that most people would have ignored  or forgotten about within a week,   Their stupid response has turned the situation in serious division in rugby circles in Australia and is not acceptable          


sharkbok
sharkbokCaptain23,251 posts
02 May 2019, 12:48
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02 May 2019, 12:48#25
A Christian would never accept someone of another religion doing exactly the same thing as Faluo. This is why not one will give an answer to the question I raised. 
It challenges you to see the hypocrisy of a monolithic religion - and you know what the answer is

Any believer in a monolithic God (Abraham religions like Jew, Muslim and Christian) can only accept their religion as the definitive truth. Monolithic religions are not compatible with modern democratic values.
sharkbok
sharkbokCaptain23,251 posts
02 May 2019, 13:29
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02 May 2019, 13:29#26
This is the timeline of the Western World.
1. Greeks invent Democracy- along with advancements in medical, legal and just about every other area. Greeks worship polytheistic Gods (multiple Gods, democratic reality) 
2. Romans build on Greeks work and establish the Roman empire. Romans worship polytheistic Gods/ (multiple Gods, democratic reality) 
3 Around 350 AD Christianity Grows in the Western area of the Roman Empire. Jesus has now become a legend and by now his stories are greatly exaggerated. Some of the West starts to take the Jews religion and modify it to their own ends. The Emporer Constantine merges various religions with Christianity. Christianity becomes the Western part of the Roman empire formal "single" religion.
4. Western Roman Empire starts an immediate decline. Between 350-500 AD the dark ages begin- and religion gains the most power it ever has.
5. Eastern Roman Empire still does well practising Greek orthodox religion- 
6. 1000 years of the dark ages. Civilisation goes backwards. 
7. Around 1500 records of the ancient Greeks and Romans are discovered. (From the Eastern Roman Empire). This creates the Renaissance (Rebirth) of culture in the West. 
8. Christianity Church splits into moderate groups. Protestants vs Catholics - the more religious remain more backward, but Protestants the less religious are smarter, richer, create inventions and take the world forward. 
9. 1500 and beyond. Religion gets weaker each day in the West, and the modern era starts. 
10. Most inventions are from the least religious countries. (e.g Western Europe, Northern USA). 
----Summary:-Greeks and Romans build civilisation with polytheistic Gods.
- Christianity took things backwards as it came into effect. Therefore it did not contribute positively. Became a monolithic communist style of world. 
- Things went forward after the renaissance. (E.g Capitalism, democracy  etc). 
- Protestant countries and people are much smarter than Catholic countries and people- as a statistical average. (E.g. Germany vs Portugal).  
- Northern USA (less religious) is smarter than Southern USA

Am I missing something here?  Where has Christianity contributed other than the dark ages?


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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
02 May 2019, 13:45
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02 May 2019, 13:45#27
These ignorant Polynesian boys are about as stupid as the Boers who live by the word of their out of touch bible. These idiots only serve to expose their faith for the discriminatory, bigoted and out dated load of tripe it is. You are born gay it’s not a bloody choice if it bloody was then why are we as heterosexuals not faced with the same choice on our sexuality. How more obvious can it be. Instead these idiots choose not to question the obvious they will rather blindly follow their indoctrinated out of touch religious scripts. It’s a crutch, these religious twits are weak, they can’t live their lives without relying on some fictitious entity out there guiding them - it’s a joke, it’s no different to believing in the existence of bloody aliens. Their weakness irritates the crap out of me. Imagine living your life according to some faith never questioning along the way - pathetic weakness
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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
02 May 2019, 13:56
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02 May 2019, 13:56#28

Whoosh! SB and Super Whoosh Saffex.

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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
02 May 2019, 13:58
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02 May 2019, 13:58#29
Nothing whoosh at all - spot on
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Devil's AdvocatePro7,008 posts
02 May 2019, 14:10
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02 May 2019, 14:10#30

I guess not many fellow Christian rugby players would put their own fate in their gods hands right now, and fully support Folau, especially given that they could also lose their multi-million dollar contracts....

Funny how and when people decide to be fully Christian

Imagine if every Christian rugby player around the world refused to play for his club or his country until Folau was allowed back on the field...… a boycott of world proportions.....

It would send a direct and clear message to all the nations around the world..... "Fuck you all, I can have freedom of speech to post whatever and whenever I want to"

It will never happen though.… because money is too important ...… not religion

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MoonroverPro1,973 posts
02 May 2019, 14:12
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02 May 2019, 14:12#31

SB and Saffex want to live again in the Sodom and Gomorrah lifestyle,they speak of going forward but in fact they want to go backwards.

sharkbok
sharkbokCaptain23,251 posts
02 May 2019, 14:49
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02 May 2019, 14:49#32
The Boers at least have the great Trek and Apartheid to blame, but how did the Polynesians get brainwashed into Christianity? 
The deeply religious Boers believe they have found the Promised Land because of the large swathes of deserted farming land they encounter. In fact, they are walking into newly conquered Zulu land and it is only empty because the tribal farmers have fled.

The Boers | History TV


https://www.history.co.uk/history-of-south-africa/the-boers
Had the boeries been more open-minded a better solution may have been found to the current day predicament in South Africa...... The AWB was very religious as were the prime ministers during Apartheid.


White South Africans have become like the Jews - our promised land is gone. Instead, we are dispersed throughout the world. Those that remain, many want to leave.
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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
02 May 2019, 17:49
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02 May 2019, 17:49#33

There can't be too many more brain washed halfwits like sharktwit. Unless of course he is a homosexual, a distinct possibility, how else can any normal guy be such a strong homosexual supporter. 

Sharktwit disgusts me. Besides being brainwashed he is abysmally ignorant. Thus he has become a clown of note almost rivaling rooijackass!!! 

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
02 May 2019, 17:50
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02 May 2019, 17:50#34
Oh sure if the Boers weren't Christians there would be no crime in South Africa. ....wrong. It has nothing to do with anything except numbers.....once the world accepted that Africans should govern themselves Apartheid was doomed, and sadly the present mess was totally predictable. Mandela was as benign a leader as could have emerged from the change....but he was an incompetent manager.....people are rarely good at both things. And those that followed were worse.
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
02 May 2019, 19:11
#35
02 May 2019, 19:11#35

Sharkbok 

Why do you try and write about history - a subject of which you know bugger-all)   First of all let me explain where your BS went off the rails.   You missed the point totally as per normal.

Constantine when he came emperor he moved the capital where he settled  for the rest of his life.  After his death the western area became  gradually more independent and there was effectively a Western and Eastern Empire.  

Towards the end of the 4th century the Barbarians started to move into wat was France - the previous  inhabitants were the Gauls, the vandals attacked Rome and move to Spain, the Lombards settled in what is today northern  Italy, the Huns in Southern Germany, Austria and Hungary.   

The attacks ad ZERO to do with Christianity or any religion at all - it was the result of migrants moving into what was then the Westen Roman Empire and beat the Western Roman empire until Rome was sacked by them.    It was obvious that the State was \weakened because of problems with political leadership and laying the blame for decline of the Western Roman Empire at the door of Christianity is total BS.   

European Civilization was maintained in the Eastern Roman Empire until its capture in 1452 and the Eastern Orthodox Church eventually found new leadership in Russia.    Where it took its level of civilization and commence with the civilization of Russia as a state.   The Russians  in fact took the brunt of the attacks by the Goldern Hoard originating in Mongolia and saved that what is today from the carnage associated with the Golden Hoard,   The great Russian Grand Princes of Moscow who led the Russians against the Hoard was deeply religious and most of them are still regarded as Saints of the Russian Orthodox Church.   In that case it was the Church who in fact saved Western Europe from total devastation.

Until the Barbarians settled and develop new permanent political structures for a period of mor or else two hundred years - the only learned people were attached to the Roman Catholic Church.    The Church gradually branched out into what is today Western Europe and assisted in the maintenance of academic learning and maintenance of invaluable records from the time of the Roman Empire. 

By the end of the  eighth century the Vikings devastated large parts of Northern Europe and England.   It was in fact the Christian King Alfred the Great who saved what was then Mercia and Wessex from the takeover of England by the Danes and another Christian leader Charkes Martel to defend France against Muslim domination.  

I wonder who gave you that twisted history myth you preached above - without relifgion Europe would not developed in what it is today.     

As to the Boers you are totally ignorant as well.   When Kruger was President he declared hat irrespective of race Christians are equal = but the English would never countenance that,

Brainwashing is not applicable as well.   From the earliest days of mankind  the people develop beliefs that is based on religious practices.   Nobody brainwashed anybody and the various religions developed through thousands of years.    The nature of religions changed with times and brainwashing had nothing to do with brainwashing.   

I agree with you everyone is entitled to his own beliefs and that people should be allowed to live in harmony - but that would never work out with talking ab out tooth fairies and BS like that.

Twisted history is showing massive ignorance on your part and it will be better if you stay away from twisting historical facts.                           .         

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
02 May 2019, 19:24
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02 May 2019, 19:24#36
Good post there Mike.....I hope Shark can restrain his anti Christian instincts long enough to read it and learn a little history. So much literature, music, mathematics, architecture, science and exploration was inspired by religion....to claim we would be exactly the same people without religion....just free of God, is incredibly naive. The real question is whether mankind can hang together without the moral discipline of religion. The Soviet, Chinese and recent Western experiences without religion are not encouraging.
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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
02 May 2019, 19:26
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02 May 2019, 19:26#37

Mike if poor sharktwit were only to speak on subjects about which he is informed he would be silent. 

For the sake of comedy I support sharktwit right to speak. 


sharkbok
sharkbokCaptain23,251 posts
02 May 2019, 19:49
#38
02 May 2019, 19:49#38
@Clevermike, do you ever quote sources?
You talk about your opinions like facts, but rarely if ever provide sources.
History is an opinion, the further back the more opinionated. So we can only try piece together stuff- from multiple sources.
In the olden days, politics and religion were totally intertwined. 
---http://www.ushistory.org/civ/6f.asp

Constantine and the Rise of Christianity

One of the many factors that contributed to the fall of the Roman Empire was the rise of a new religion, Christianity. The Christian religion, which was monotheistic ran counter to the traditional Roman religion, which was polytheistic (many gods). At different times, the Romans persecuted the Christians because of their beliefs, which were popular among the poor.


This 16th-century medallion depicts Attila the Hun, one of the most vicious invaders of all time.

In 313 C.E., Roman emperor Constantine the Great ended all persecution and declared toleration for Christianity. Later that century, Christianity became the official state religion of the Empire. This drastic change in policy spread this relatively new religion to every corner of the Empire.

By approving Christianity, the Roman state directly undermined its religious traditions. Finally, by this time, Romans considered their emperor a god. 

The western Empire spoke Latin and was Roman Catholic. The eastern Empire spoke Greek and worshipped under the Eastern Orthodox branch of the Christian church. 
Over time, the east thrived, while the west declined. In fact, after the western part of the Roman Empire fell, the eastern half continued to exist as the Byzantine Empire for hundreds of years. Therefore, the "fall of Rome" really refers only to the fall of the western half of the Empire.

 As money grew tight, the government hired the cheaper and less reliable Germanic soldiers to fight in Roman armies. By the end, these armies were defending Rome against their fellow Germanic tribesmen. Under these circumstances, the sack of Rome came as no surprise.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fall_of_the_Western_Roman_Empire

-- P.S Polytheistic religions gave us modern day civilisation. Christianity and the other Abrahamic religions took us backwards to the dark ages.
Christianity is riding on the coattails of what the Polytheistic religions delivered. A bit like a useless rugby coach inheriting a great rugby team.


sharkbok
sharkbokCaptain23,251 posts
02 May 2019, 19:53
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02 May 2019, 19:53#39
@Mozart, 
South Africa should have followed the same model as America by letting in lots of Europeans to become the majority. So when the inevitable democracy happened European settlers could always outvote the natives. 
Apartheid slowed down immigration to protect the white Afrikaner. If Europeans had flooded in - SA could be hundreds of millions of people. 
America also only allowed people who could read and write to vote for a long time - which seems prudent if someone is not smart enough to vote.  (regardless of race). 
So people from all races could vote - but only if they were smart enough. This would have helped break down racial barriers and created a more class orientated system. Not ideal - but this exists in other countries. 
All in the meantime, more immigration was happening. 



sharkbok
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02 May 2019, 20:05
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02 May 2019, 20:05#40
@Beeno, have you been taking any cross-dressing tips from your Church minister?   
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