Polynesian Boys showing support for Folau

SB

I spent my life studying history as a souree of what made us what it is today.   Go to Wikipedia and read up about Constantine to start off with.    Go and read up Russian history starting with Dimitry Donskoi.   Also on Wikipedia and keep reading until the time of Ivan the Terrible.  

The sources are factual.   You can use sources to study about the Vandals, the Franks, the Huns and the Lombards.   It is all there and then there are thousands of books written about the various Barbarian Tribes and the Vikings attacks which devastated Europe.   Try Alfred the Great of England as well - Charles Martel and Charlemagne.

The fact is Wikipedia is an easy access - you have to really much wider to determine what happened.    The above quote is superficial and not really anything preocven about the role of religion as a reason for the downfall of the Empire - since oit does not deal with the role of the Barbarians in the all of the empire anyway. 

There is just a few things that you missed out - the sacking of Rome has nothing to do with religion at all and was not the first time the Roman army was defeated in present day Italy.   

Your quote refers to the following:-

The Fall of the Western Roman Empire (also called Fall of the Roman Empire or Fall of Rome) was the process of decline in the Western Roman Empire in which the Empire failed to enforce its rule, and its vast territory was divided into several successor polities. The Roman Empire lost the strengths that had allowed it to exercise effective control over its Western provinces; modern historians mention factors including the effectiveness and numbers of the army, the health and numbers of the Roman population, the strength of the economy, the competence of the Emperors, the internal struggles for power, the religious changes of the period, and the efficiency of the civil administration. Increasing pressure from invading barbarians outside Roman culture also contributed greatly to the collapse. The reasons for the collapse are major subjects of the historiography of the ancient world and they inform much modern discourse on state failure 

You left out 90% of what was written and nitpick what you think would strengthen your argument - only a total ignorant idiot would do that.          

Historians disagree on interpretation on history, but somehow you what the exact facts are....

Your stats for rugby are frequently disproven by other posters who check the original source. Sometimes basic copy and pastes are incorrect, and your interpretation abilities are limited, or just blatant lies. 

Meyer Bosman's mother is your definitive source of rugby stats..... and more recently the father of Frans Malherbe

https://www.foxsports.com.au/rugby/wallabies/castles-leaked-letter-to-wallabies-amid-folau-furore/news-story/9ea2a8edd64384ca7bfd1f8311cf58c7

IF you havent laid eyes on RA's CEO - Raylene.... check it out... not only is she goth-like she ruined another rugby league club prior to coming to RA... I really dont know what they were thinking... 

Apparently its all about "diversity"...

Re Hatespeech allegations from Izzy - not factual - he quoted scripture and then the media and "victims" and PC police in australia decided that it was only aimed at homos... which clearly it isnt...

I didnt see the Liars / Adulterers / Fornicators etc getting so offended... nor gay CEOs of major sponsors whinging about these 'poor' minorities...

Re Being Born Gay... possible some have genetic disposition  to this  just like some are born to have genetic disposition to alcoholism / fits of violence ... doesnt necessarily make it right... 

Generally speaking most gays dont really care what Izzy said... its the bleeding heart lefty socialist PC police that are the real perps...

Great post Redsmen. Ozziez are far smarter than kiwis for sure. 

You change the population and you change everything. 

Import people who are totally antagonistic to your values and you are asking for never ending trouble. The globalist elites know this. It's ALL about open borders, the destruction of the Nation State and the eventual one world government. 

 Omar and company can't wait for Whites to be a minority. Heck even while in the majority Whites are being persecuted for being white. 

 Dave a SJW? Fbombs and all. WTH? Is this what they call virtue signaling?

SB

I am delighted to say that I have made mistakes at times my interpretation of rugby has always been superior to yours.   That gives me the idea that you know near to nothing about rugby and less about history.   

@Clevermike,

You still refuse to answer the question I asked earlier in this thread. 

If someone from another religion had done exactly the same as Faloau (E.g put Christians in the category with liars, gays, atheists) as hypocrites that go to hell) - would you have been happy to accept this as freedom of speech.

I could ask the question a million times- but a Christian will never answer it. You know the answer is that you would not accept it as freedom of speech if a Muslim or Jew said this.

If you lived in countries like Australia, UK and Western Europe places you would see that as Saffex says, religion is on its way out in the Western world. Many people believe fazing out religion is for the better. (Maybe not Catholic places, but Protestant Europe).

I rarely if ever speak about religion to people here in the UK. However, it is constantly rammed down peoples throats by Beeno, and a few other bible bashers. So it seems that I am criticizing it, but it just annoys me that someone is constantly forcing their religious opinion on others. Many New Zealand members also get irritated by this hypocrite constantly grouping people into the good and bad. I genuinely think that if Beeno was to live in other countries he would probably end up in jail. 

It is the same for the Australian Rugby team, administration and fans. This is why it is so divisive. 

If you read what I wrote above - and understand it - you will realize the answer.   I have never condoned that religion should be a source by means of which another person's personal beliefs are to be attacked,   That is totally undemocratic and unacceptable.   I probably have more Muslim friends than you have met Muslims in your whole life and we respect people for how they treat fellow human beings - don't do to others what you would not like other to do to you.  A golden rule. 

I do not like to see a situation where the forum is used as a forum to attack other people religious or other beliefs and has constantly asked for people to desist from using it for such purposes, .  Even above I asked is this a rugby forum? 

France is likely to be the one country which has gone furthest in becoming a secular state.   Yet when the Notre Dame burned down tens of thousands of people were signing the Ave Maria and praying,   Freedom of religion is a norm and to say that it should  ever be phased out is make believe.

Lenin and Stalin tried to phase out religion totally and after a hundred years people of Russia is at present even more religious than they were at the start of the 20th century.   Perhaps there are politicians  who wants to totally destroy religion in Europe - but the hances of that ever happen is remote.        

Oh please sharktwit could you stop whining away about how horrid Christians are. Go take a look in the mirror but sit down before you do that!

Hahahahahahahaha what the heck do you know about intelligence. You display massive ignorance every day and get taken to the cleaners again and again. . Bwahahahhahahhahaha.

Hahahahahaha so the youth don't attend Church say these two half baked atheist nutjobs. 

I recall posting clips of Christian music where the Churches are overflowing with young people. 

Guess these clowns didn't watch the clips.  They are too cowardly and insecure to look at anything outside their little atheistic bubble. 

Bye the way still waiting for how you explain a universe from nothing and the information encoded in DNA. 

No wonder God calls these oaks FOOLS. 

Yes imagine living your life according to timeless values such as thou shalt not kill. Makes no sense to the atheist "mind"

Poor saffex has a fantasy that he can indulge in his homosexual perversion without any Christian calling him out for his perversion. 

Bye the way rooitwit and Saffex what is going to happen to you gays should Islam take over where you live. Your first solo unaided flight will be your last. I think Islam supporting rooitwit must have a death wish. 

Poor rooitwit and Saffex lack decency and common sense.