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PRO 14 gauged against Super Rugby

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CleanCutPro9,905 posts
11 Apr 2019, 20:20
#41
11 Apr 2019, 20:20#41

Indeed ... welcome to this site. Hope to see more of you.

No ... you didn't bore me at all.

Our biggest concern is exposing our talent to rich northern franchises, as you said, but in truth most of our talented boys are being overlooked here anyway.

It is more important to those in charge to get the colour mix right. Merit no longer plays a role here. Selections are based on race.

We are already expecting and enforced 50% black representation for the coming world cup. There is no choice in the matter, so in all fairness, I'm all for our white boys furthering their careers elsewhere, even if it means becoming citizens of other countries. 

The Springbok is a thing of the past. We will sadly never field our best players again.

 



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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
11 Apr 2019, 20:45
#42
11 Apr 2019, 20:45#42

Stvanger1 welcome aboard To me its all about keeping our players. Super Rugby contracts can't compete and we have over 300 professional players, including these days younger guys 

Not mentioned is the bent down under refs we contend with year by year.

My own humble opinion is that our Super Rugby sides would do very well on the Pro 14.


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Stavanger1Pro4,532 posts
11 Apr 2019, 21:13
#43
11 Apr 2019, 21:13#43

Cleancut, you never know how things can change.

For many many years the pysche of Irish rugby was the plucky underdog, destined to eternally lose but show some heart while doing so. While lacking skill we would put up a fight, then come the 60 minute mark we run out of steam and collapse to massive defeats, time after time. That was our place.

While we had a small amount of success on tours to Australia, when we went on tour to New Zealand or South Africa the thought process for the fans was please don't embarrass us lads and try and keep the score under 70. The players at the time thought so too.

5 Nations goal. Simple, try to avoid the wooden spoon.  England are coming to town, prepared to get smashed up front and walked all over. The French OMG we have to play the French, if its a sunny spring day in Paris they will run riot. French rugby was so sexy back then it was almost X-rated.

We were so bad at the end of the 90's that Italy beat us 3 times in a row.

The provinces at the time? Well I remember reading a Munster players (his name eludes me) comments on what things use to be like, he was trying to give a pep talk to the team a half time during a European Heineken Cup (now Champions Cup) game. He was telling the players they could go on to win the cup. The entire dressing burst out laughing at him. Munster an Irish province can win the Heineken Cup when the French and English teams are competing in it....don't be daft!

Then the professional era came along and the IRFU low and behold got their house in order and much more than the other nations in the north did. It took a while but everything was aligned to improving the national team. Now when we go Australia or South Africa we expect to win. Its not because Aus and SA have declined as a rugby powerhouses (they may have) but because we now believe we are good enough and can beat anyone including New Zealand.

Meanwhile France's national team is a complete shambles. The mega rich clubs have complete control of the players, won't regularly release them for the national team, play foreign players in all the key positions and won't develop French talent, flog all their players to death and won't hire a non French coach, and all the French coaches are nuts. France play a fantastic game, best game in years and win comfortable, whats the French coach do....he drops 11 of them for the next game and never picks them again....why? because they are French...no one will ever know why.

I think Rassie Erasmus, having worked in the Pro 14 and having seen the Irish duel contract and player welfare systems might try something similar in South Africa. I see he also joined the board of directors for the Pro 14 and might potentially nudge the SR South African teams towards it. Basically trying to align everything to the benefit of the national team.

As for the quota's I personally have mixed feelings about it. On one hand I can understand its simply not fair for a better player to lose out on making the team because of the color of his skin. On the other hand some are of the view whether the player is the best or not doesn't matter as long as it encourages others to join in the long term and for short-medium term pain the skill gap will disappear as positions are more commonly filled by peoples who never had that opportunity before. Not to the same extent but I've seen something like happen in the work place here regarding gender equality. Over here I hear it being labelled as positive discrimination. That's what one of our pundits said when talking about Allister Coetzee when he was South African coaches. Only there because of positive discrimination.

You never know what the future brings. Nearly every team has there ups and down. Liverpool football club dominated the English football league for decades but haven't won it in 29 years, but may finally do so again this year. Change can take decades. The Springboks could very well rise again. But as an Irishman I'll just have you know the psyche has changed, we have no intention of going back to being the plucky underdogs and we will be there to challenge you


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SebPro2,680 posts
11 Apr 2019, 21:25
#44
11 Apr 2019, 21:25#44

In Westmeath County...Shannon River...amazing river rises in Cavan and ends east of Limerick.

Did a boat trip there a long time ago...I love Ireland and would immigrate there tomorrow, I have Irish passport but our currency makes us poor if we immigrate.

Tell me do you fish for salmon or trout or coarse fishing?

Most of us here are great fans of the present Irish International side, personally I would love Ireland to win the WC in Japan. If you have Irish blood it never disappears and goes on from generation to generation.

We desperately need posters like you.

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Stavanger1Pro4,532 posts
12 Apr 2019, 00:11
#45
12 Apr 2019, 00:11#45

Ireland's a nice country to live in, its small, the people are generally quite friendly. Its got some beautiful scenery too. Its quite peaceful and politicall y stable, Not without its problems, such as issues with its health service (but that's hardly unique to Ireland), a housing shortage which is exasperating a homeless crisis, rural decline and a few other issues.

The weather is also fairly bad here. It never gets extremely cold or hot but we get a lot of rain, frequently even in summer and the constant gray sky many find some what depressing.

It was a inward looking poor country for many years from its independence in the early 20's up till the 80's but membership of the EU really turned things around here and now its a quite wealthy country, even if the wealth isn't evenly distributed (again not unique to Ireland).

As for fishing, I use to do it when I was a child but I ended being more of techie when I got older and haven't fished in a few years. I am on the Shannon fairly frequently though. My family have a small cruiser that we travel around the rivers and lakes in the summer. We can even go to our local pub Sean's Bar by boat which according to the Guinness book of records is the oldest pub in Europe dating back to 900AD. My brother on other hand is constantly out fishing, he loves it.




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