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Protea's History in World Cups

Started by clevermike5 REPLIES135 VIEWS· 12 Jan 2015, 20:42
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
12 Jan 2015, 20:42
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12 Jan 2015, 20:42#1

Mozart made an interesting remark about the history of the Proteas in the WC:-


"A CWC final is as much about controlling nerves and mental strength in the clutch."


He then went on to say that the Proteas had a long history of losing games as a result.   Hpwever, I am not sure that that is what actually happened and t he explanation is not always that easy:-


1992 WC 


The problem here had nothng to do with losing their nerves.  It has everything to do with the wrong concept and game plan used by the Proteas.   Lets face facts - the concept at that time by the SA coach and captain was "to build an innings",  In that process they did not keep on a reasonable run rate and was way behind the English in the semi-final.    With 14 balls left - they needed 22 runs to win  the semi.    Rain started falling and ultimately they  had only 1 ball to make the 22 runs.   


I would not call that losing their nerve - I would call it plain wrong game plan.


1995


They had a very poor game against New Zealand and the team  grossly under-perform in a match against New Zealand.    Mozqart was probably right in this case - just not excusable.


1999


There was a problem here inasmuch as there were two major bugger-ups made by players that should have had their buts kicked seriously.   


In he play-offs the Aussies was on the skids and the only real top class batsman left was Steve Waugh.    Waugh had a ball into the covers and Gibbs "caught"  the ball.  The idiot caught the ball and in the same movement through it away.   His bravado ensured that the Aussies went through to the semi-s against SA.  Waugh in fact said to him - "that is going to cost you the WC.


In the semi's SA needed one run to win the semi with three balls left.   Lance Klusener was batting and he hit a bal within 5 meters from the stumps and started running.   Donald was stupefied by that idiocy and did not run -  so Klusener was run out.   


This had nothing to do with the team losing their nerve - everything to do with the idiocy of two players.


2003  WC


SA needed  1 runs to beat Sri Lanka to go through to the semi's .  There were 4 overs left and a drizzle - not heavy enough to stop the game - was falling, but getting heavier.   Management send th wrong message about the Douglas-Lewis situation through to the batters and instead of hitting the last ball in the over and making the run - they thought the game was won.  The result was different.   Rank stupidity on the part of the tam management - nothing else.  I do not think the team was to blame for that one.


2011 WC


This was the worst team performance in any WC and the reason was the poor team leadership by Graeme Smith - who showed no interes in any game he played in - and when the team was beaten and out - he did not even bother to return to SA and went off to Ireland.   The problem was not the team - it was the captain, whose own performances was a seriously bad joke in that series.   


In essence  we had a case where the management of the team was poor and often enough it was the senior players in the team that let the team downthrpough inexplicable actions of bravado or stupidity.   End of story.   l  

GE
generaltitPro3,164 posts
12 Jan 2015, 21:08
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12 Jan 2015, 21:08#2
This WC looks like a real open one...Australia is the favourite but might have too many all rounders in their side...is that a good thing? NZ look to have the best bowling attack.

De Villiers feels confident....

De Villiers is one of eight players who have been to World Cups before, which means almost half of South Africa's squad are major tournament rookies. That includes de Kock, Rossouw and Behardien but even with inexperience laced through their line-up, South Africa will continue to play what convener of selectors Andrew Hudson called the "style of cricket" they have made their own over the last two years. "We like to play seven batsmen or maybe an allrounder at No.7, and then five frontline bowlers," he said. "There process of selection has been about supporting that type of cricket."

South Africa have had a lengthy build-up period to decide on their final squad, which will see them play more ODIs than any other team in the six months before the tournament. That has included series' in Sri Lanka, Zimbabwe and a recce in New Zealand and Australia. The last of those served as a "reminder we still have a lot to do if we want to be serious contenders", according to Domingo. South Africa lost 1-4 in Australia, but Hudson does not believe that marred their preparations.

"The World Cup is not about only about playing Australia, its about playing minnows and sides with different batting and bowling strengths and being able to accommodate and play cricket accordingly," Hudson said, while de Villiers only saw it as a speedbump on the way to success. "I can't see it as a blessing in disguise because I hate losing," he said.

That may ultimately be the message South Africa are given when they begin the tournament which, this time, they believe is theirs for the taking. "We've got the right players to win, we've just got to find a way to do that," de Villiers said.


This one is going to be exciting...at least there are no foregone conclusions...the variations are vast...common sense seems to dominate that Aussie in Australia should be the one to beat and not only that...Oz cricketers are cunning and clever but maybe they might be too overweighted in all rounders...anyway it looks very open to me...because the 3 Asian giants are all capable of pulling it off too...England too and NZ could get it right and the outsiders like WI have a good side.


It appears to me the cricket WC, like the rugby could very likely spring some surprises. I don't have a problem with the selections.

MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
12 Jan 2015, 21:29
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12 Jan 2015, 21:29#3
You don't think the Klusener run out was losing  their nerve? To Me it was the  worst case of a panic attack I can remember. Total incapacitating panic.
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generaltitPro3,164 posts
12 Jan 2015, 21:34
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12 Jan 2015, 21:34#4
What about poor old Alan Donald, Moz...that's got to be saddest thing ever happened not only in cricket.

It was some years ago but I still think of it...
CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
12 Jan 2015, 21:56
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12 Jan 2015, 21:56#5
 South Africa has a long history of dodgy game plans and sub-standard management and dodgy leadership  insofar as WC's are concerned.    Initially the game was played totally differently and other countries adjusted quickly to the revised concepts -  while we fell behind.
Our record in the competition reached a low point in 2011-12 and part of the problem was the eladership of Graeme Steyn and dodgy performances of both Smith and Kallis in ODI's.   Unlike test rugby - where balls can be left alone and not played at -  in ODI's an acceptable run rate is required and for that quick reflexes and excellent hand-eye co-ordination is required.   By 2012 we were rated no 6 in ODI's, while rated no 1 as test playing team.   
The problem was right at the top.   In October 2013 SA went to the Guff States to play Pakistan.   Kallis was not available - but Smith was.   Smith was as per normal opening the battin g and was poor in the first two ODI's.   We won the first OD I by a fluje and lost the second one badly.   Smith had to come back to SA for personal reasons and De Kock opened the batting.   We won the succeeding ODI's with ease.
However, Pakistan then came to SA to play three ODI's and Smith and Kallis was selected for the first two ODI's - we lost both and the main reasons were -
*  Smith was poor in both of the two ODI's - so much so that he ws apparently told he will not be selected again for ODI's and he elft the squad in a huff; and
*   Kallis was poor in the first ODI.  But managed to score 50 runs off 90 balls in the second ODI - leaving us short in the run rate.   
The departure of Smith saw us winning the next for OdiI's with the greatest of ease - despite Kallis who failed constantly.   It was clear that both Smith and Kallis was failing us after most distinguished and long careers.  
Since then we rarely lost Odi's until the recent SA tour to Australia and New Zealand. Kowever, we are at this stage no 3 in the world rankings two points behind Australia - after being no 1 for a while.
I think the situation has improved drastically over the last year.   Graeme Smith gradually became worse and worse - and the playing technique of Kallis let to  runs scored at a low rpo rate.
At this stage we have more hard-hitting players in the batting order - with a top class bowling attack.    So I think we have a be tter chance this year than we had in the past.   
News is that to key players - Duminy and De Kock - will be recovered from their injuries.   Duminy is likely to return to the team for the ODI's against the Windies starting on Friday.  In an interview De Kock saidhe has no pain in the ankle anymore and is taking it carefully.   He would start training in batting and Wicket - Keeping on Monday on Monday and he said he is certain to be able to play in the curtain-raisers  for the WC before the competition kicks  off.               

GE
generaltitPro3,164 posts
12 Jan 2015, 22:12
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12 Jan 2015, 22:12#6
We certainly have a good chance Mike...if we play our cards correctly...the same can be said for our rugby...I'm just thankful that there's no foregone conclusion in both...that's what makes WC's interesting.

It augurs well for a feast of sport in 2015...we certainly are contenders...we might not be the "Sea Cottage" of the race but favourites don't always win...would be boring if they did...this essence of unknowns make it spicy and exciting...off course we want our sides to win and that's the huge bonus but I'm sure we all all agree let the best and deserving win.
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