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Started by Beeno134 REPLIES483 VIEWS· 19 Dec 2014, 10:22
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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
19 Dec 2014, 10:22
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19 Dec 2014, 10:22#1

Proteas are bowling. Philander looking good but Dale Steyn bowling far too slowly at just over 132 km. Hoping no doubt to swing the ball and save his pace effort for later. Still think he needs t o dish up a some fast stuff up front.

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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
19 Dec 2014, 10:48
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19 Dec 2014, 10:48#2
 Ou maaaikie pleaae note this. Rob Houwing on sam page as beeno. Van Zyl shouild move intoi the opening spot in palce of Alviro who has had many chances.Ex Sport 24

Cape Town – You have to be careful not to jump the gun, but already discerning South African observers will be envisaging a crack in the not too distant future at a Test opening spot for Stiaan van Zyl.

The stylish left-hander from the Cobras, making the most of a rare vacancy a bit lower in the strong Proteas batting line-up as JP Duminy recovers from injury, on Thursday became the fifth South African and first at home to record a century on debut as his assertive, unbeaten 101 off 130 balls heaped further misery on a depleted and impotent West Indies attack in the first Test at Centurion.

Loss of the entire final session to rain slightly enhances the foot-sore tourists’ quest to avoid being bowled out twice in the remaining three days and earning a gritty draw.

Victory looks virtually out of the question for them after the ICC top-ranked side posted 552 for five declared, although smart money still points to a home triumph if their highly-touted seam battery makes better use of still-helpful conditions than the Caribbean outfit did.

Certainly Van Zyl was able to cash in on the enormous benefit of a 308-run stand being registered between brilliant stalwarts Hashim Amla (a third career double century for the meticulous, bearded accumulator) and AB de Villiers before he took guard.

He also looked a little rigid and uncertain for his first half-hour although that was possibly attributable to having to wait a tad short of a full day to finally get to the middle from the time he first put his pads on.

But once the 27-year-old had managed a couple of boundaries, his confidence and fluency simply swelled at a staggering rate of knots.

Some of his driving on the off-side looked like the authoritative work of a much more seasoned Test player.

In a relatively short, three-Test series, Van Zyl has presumably already done enough as the No 6 to book himself in for the rest of it, given that Duminy is likely to only return to action for the limited-overs portion of the West Indies agenda.

By the time the Proteas undertake five-day combat again, in Bangladesh in mid-2015, the established Duminy will require a spot back, so it would create a middle-order logjam.

But considering the otherwise smooth-firing team’s one known area of current instability – the opening partnership – Van Zyl seems an attractive candidate a little down the line (or maybe even sooner?) to further his national career in that fashion.

He has many of the technical skills and necessary obduracy to fulfil the role, especially as his preferred first-class position is at No 3 where he frequently confronts a whistling new ball anyway.

Van Zyl has already acknowledged in interviews that his best chance to settle into the Test XI once Duminy is back may come as an opener -- given present areas of strength and weakness in the overall line-up -- and is willing to take up the challenge if asked to do so.

Some semblance of a crisis is taking shape upfront for SA, with Dean Elgar yet to convincingly settle and the infinitely more experienced Alviro Petersen under special pressure given his unremarkable – at best – statistical returns for some time.

The Proteas last tasted proper success for the first wicket back in the shortened India home series last season, when now-retired Graeme Smith and Petersen notched century opening stands at both the Wanderers and Kingsmead.

Since then it has been mostly grim going, with opening stands averaging a lowly 25.4 for the last 13 Test innings and no further three-figure partnerships. (Smith is missed for sure. Some halfwits were always on his case!!)

There are those who insist specialists are required at the top of the innings, but if batsmen with that supposed status are labouring then why not try to “manufacture” someone there?

South Africa have a pretty decent post-isolation track record at doing this: first there was Gary Kirsten, who some swore blind had too many technical weaknesses to prosper as an opener, either for Western Province or the national side.

Instead Kirsten, proving there is no substitute for a strong heart for the job, made 14 of his 21 Test centuries in an admirable 11-year career from the No 1 or 2 berths.

Later, middle-order batsman Neil McKenzie, after four years in the Test wilderness, had a healthy rebirth for a couple of years (2008-2009) as an opening batsman, getting three of his five SA  tons in that role.

Ashwell Prince was a fairly reluctant, short-lived convert to the front of the order but even he blasted 150 in maiden exposure to the position against Australia at Newlands in March 2009.

I have a powerful gut feel already that Stiaan van Zyl is going to be the next to get a stab at becoming one of those Test openers who are made rather than born.

And some of them, as we know, turn out to be rather good .


Pity Van Zyl is already 27

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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
19 Dec 2014, 14:19
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19 Dec 2014, 14:19#3
 Biff had many flaws in his technique, but made it as an all time great opener purely down to hard work and a superhuman mental strength combined with an unsatable hunger for success. If Stiaan have only half of that drive, he will do well as opener.
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bobbok...Captain10,129 posts
20 Dec 2014, 04:17
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20 Dec 2014, 04:17#4
 Eina, might be close to being all over at lunch........ & the weekend barely starting
Will be bad news for many if that unfolds.
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DennyCaptain12,893 posts
20 Dec 2014, 06:33
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20 Dec 2014, 06:33#5

 Another one sided series, it's hard to see the Windies showing substance in this Test series after failing to perform on what appears to be a bat friendly wicket.

The delusional Domingo needs a wake-up after coming out and backing Alviro Pieterson who has been given m any chances and failed.

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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
20 Dec 2014, 09:49
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20 Dec 2014, 09:49#6
 Bting back Duminy and play Van zyl as an opener should be tried.Alviro took some great catches.
Dale Steyn bowled poorly - pace was well down and was no threat. W orrying. Thankfully Philander bowled well.
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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
20 Dec 2014, 10:39
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20 Dec 2014, 10:39#7
 Steyn doing a bit better. H e has two wickets including Chanderpaul has just gone!

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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
20 Dec 2014, 10:46
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20 Dec 2014, 10:46#8
 Now S teyn gets Samuels and Windies are 5 down
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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
20 Dec 2014, 10:49
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20 Dec 2014, 10:49#9
 Brilliant catch by Ab and Steyn gets another and Ramdin goes!!!! 6 down! for 105!
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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
20 Dec 2014, 11:22
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20 Dec 2014, 11:22#10
 Going downhill at the speed of light now, 131-9, trail by 220, oops, not...all out, losing by an innings and 220!
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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
20 Dec 2014, 11:28
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20 Dec 2014, 11:28#11
Its all over. Dismal performance by Windies. Steyn gets six wickets. He should pull finger and get to 400 test wickets this series! bring that average down to under  22.Remarkable career. He never bowled quickly either but got some movement. Windies really look like they are substandard. Can Windies raise their game. If not confine them to playing Zim, Bangladesh and the wee black caps! Hahahahahahahahahaha
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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
20 Dec 2014, 12:13
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20 Dec 2014, 12:13#12
 Windies not even a shadow of the once great team anymore.
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bobbok...Captain10,129 posts
20 Dec 2014, 12:36
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20 Dec 2014, 12:36#13
 Sad, looked like a decent size crowd had gathered ............. & the laaities vra vir pa, wat doen ons nou pop ?
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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
20 Dec 2014, 12:38
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20 Dec 2014, 12:38#14
 And being in District 9, they can't even go to the beac h!
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bobbok...Captain10,129 posts
20 Dec 2014, 12:47
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20 Dec 2014, 12:47#15
 

net cat food .
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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
20 Dec 2014, 14:20
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20 Dec 2014, 14:20#16
 I see De Kok is out for the series. What bad luck for him.
The Windies will improve I am sure. It is one of the great mysteries as to why they declined so badly. Too much pot?
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DennyCaptain12,893 posts
20 Dec 2014, 15:58
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20 Dec 2014, 15:58#17
Their decline came about because they relied on natural talent coming off the conveyer belt. Their admin failed to develop cricket. 
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
20 Dec 2014, 18:19
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20 Dec 2014, 18:19#18
 Things are looking a bit grimmer for the Proteas.   Duminy is still out - and now De Kock is out for 6 to 8 weeks with an ankle injury.   The WC starts in 8 weeks time and one can onlyhope he is back within 6 weeks.   Duminy is kept in cotton wool hoping that he would be fit by the start of the WC.      
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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
20 Dec 2014, 19:23
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20 Dec 2014, 19:23#19
 Ou maaaikie you put the mockers on him with your avatar!
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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
20 Dec 2014, 21:26
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20 Dec 2014, 21:26#20
 Lolz, true words Beeno!
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DennyCaptain12,893 posts
20 Dec 2014, 23:00
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20 Dec 2014, 23:00#21

Ozzies are getting their act together in the bowling department...watch out!


Hazlewood...remember the name....he'll be the next big thing as a quickie. 

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
20 Dec 2014, 23:09
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20 Dec 2014, 23:09#22
 D enny
They have some good quickies - I agree - so that would  help them in the WC.   But weirdly enough - I am not sure that their batters are going to help them win the WC.  They have some that can score quick runs - but most of them cannot be as good in the shorter versions of the game.   
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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
21 Dec 2014, 00:20
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21 Dec 2014, 00:20#23
 Mike, they just gave us a proper rogering and the WC is in their back yard. They will be strong contenders, but I think it's gonna be our turn at long last.
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DennyCaptain12,893 posts
21 Dec 2014, 05:25
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21 Dec 2014, 05:25#24
Agreed Mike, if there is a weakness it's in their batting but they have a few batsmen who can turn things around and put them in a winning circa. The Proteas have their own shortcomings as I've previously mentioned but on paper the WC looks like it's between the said sides......battles are won in the mi ddle though not on paper.
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
21 Dec 2014, 09:49
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21 Dec 2014, 09:49#25
 I think we need to be careful with predictions.   My mind goes back to the 1882 WC held in Australia and New Zealand - where Australia was the odds-on favourite to win.  They did not get to the semi-final stage - while SA given no chance at all - got to that stage.   
One thinI could remember clearly was when Border was clean-bowled by Adrrian Kuiper for a duck.   The look on his face was complete bewilderment or disbelieve.   He was atthe time considered to eb the best batsman in the world - but a part-time bowler clean-bowled him.     
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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
21 Dec 2014, 10:56
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21 Dec 2014, 10:56#26
 Mike, that was 92, and we had a good team back then, but unknown to most of the Cricket world. 
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
21 Dec 2014, 12:09
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21 Dec 2014, 12:09#27
 Dbdraad
Sure it was a good team - but I think our present team is better.   Wessels and Kirsten was good - but they were test batters that barely managed a rpo of 3,5.   That is why we lost the semi-final having to make 22 runs from 14 balls and then got into trouble with the rain causing havoc and we had to make 22 runs with 1 ball. 
Our present  top batters try and keep to about 5 rpo or even 6 rpo.   I would say that with our present line-up we have a better ODI batters than we used to have.  
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
21 Dec 2014, 12:09
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21 Dec 2014, 12:09#28
 Dbdraad
Sure it was a good team - but I think our present team is better.   Wessels and Kirsten was good - but they were test batters that barely managed a rpo of 3,5.   That is why we lost the semi-final having to make 22 runs from 14 balls and then got into trouble with the rain causing havoc and we had to make 22 runs with 1 ball. 
Our present  top batters try and keep to about 5 rpo or even 6 rpo.   I would say that with our present line-up we have a better ODI batters than we used to have.  
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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
22 Dec 2014, 01:46
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22 Dec 2014, 01:46#29
Its sad to see such a shit WI side......they offer no better opposition to SA than say a side like Zim would these days - very sad indeed.
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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
22 Dec 2014, 01:56
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22 Dec 2014, 01:56#30
I know Chris Gale is injured......where are Tino Best, Fidel Edwards and Dwain Bravo for the WI......they could do with these 4 players
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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
22 Dec 2014, 11:18
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22 Dec 2014, 11:18#31
 They are playing Big Bash in Aus.
Mike, Peter Kirsten was all but only a test bat. Closest we had at that stage to an AB type player. Unfortunately a bit too old at that stage. Still one of my favourite players of all time.
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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
22 Dec 2014, 11:53
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22 Dec 2014, 11:53#32
Geez that is a poor show that they are playing Big Bash over test cricket. WI cricket really is in shit
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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
22 Dec 2014, 12:07
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22 Dec 2014, 12:07#33
 Agreed Saf, the tail is wagging the dog.
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
22 Dec 2014, 13:10
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22 Dec 2014, 13:10#34
 Draad
About Peter Kirsten - he was a top player - but by 1992 he ws already 37 years old and way past his best.  
I saw him batting in an ODI against Pakistan at Kingsmead and he made 20 runs facing 56 balls.   That killed the innings for the Proteas.   He was 1992 batting slowly making runs - which was a handicap for the side.    
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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
23 Dec 2014, 00:43
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23 Dec 2014, 00:43#35
The side they should play in PE:
1. Elgar 2. v/Zyl 3. Amla 4. AB 5. Faf 6. Rossouw 7. Miller 8. Philander 9. Steyn 10. Morkel 11. de Lange with Parnell, Rabada, Bavuma and Tahir as the reserves.


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