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sharkbok
sharkbokCaptain23,253 posts
08 Feb 2019, 13:10
#41
08 Feb 2019, 13:10#41
When I saw him playing mid-season, it was clear he has intentionally lost weight. I reckon he is under 115 now.  He looks more like his brother now, given how much he has slimmed down.
sharkbok
sharkbokCaptain23,253 posts
08 Feb 2019, 13:12
#42
08 Feb 2019, 13:12#42

Just saw this article, it seems that Steph Dutoit did not actually lose weight on purpose.

"“By the end of the year I had lost some weight because I had played so much rugby. I must say I didn’t look in good shape because I lost a lot of muscle as well.

“Going into this year I’m feeling good because I have done some ‘smart’ gym and fitness and my weight is back where it was. I’ve been well managed in the pre-season.

https://www.timeslive.co.za/sport/rugby/2019-02-07-psdt-admits-to-being-sore-and-out-of-shape-by-end-of-brutal-2018/

CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
08 Feb 2019, 13:16
#43
08 Feb 2019, 13:16#43

SB

Du Toit decided to reduce his weight to 116 kgs to enhance his pace in playing at blindside.   It was deliberately done for that purpose.   He actually announced it publicly 

Even despite that he is still 4 kgs heavier than the recorded weight of Mostert - who used to weigh 108 kgs and tried to bulk up to 112 kgs.  

SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
08 Feb 2019, 13:25
#44
08 Feb 2019, 13:25#44
Willemse has been brilliant for Montpellier for some time easily the best lock in France. Has been brutal in contact much like Bakkies and Etzebeth. He had a very average debut, I’d say the occasion got to him. He will make a big impression for France.
PL
PlumCaptain21,007 posts
08 Feb 2019, 13:28
#45
08 Feb 2019, 13:28#45

Hahahaha! Moffie thinks Pieter-Steph is "good"

Maybe i'm missing something but i've read numerous match summaries from Moz where he talks about PSDT's positive contributions honestly.

Lets ask him when he comes back onto the thread what his opinion is. I know he says PSDT is overrated but i can't recall him ever calling for him to be dropped or not picked. No point me trying to speak for Moz anyway.

I see Mostert for what he is, you clearly don’t. What you see is the high work rate the energy and the effort and you are taken by that. But look a little closer and you will see that he makes no impact with ball in hand as he is not capable of imposing himself physically. He inveriably gets knocked back or straight down unlike true ball carries like Etzebeth, Lood, PSDT, Snyman etc.

Lets take SA's favorrite lock for comparrison purposes. Eben.

When last did he physically impose himself on a game? I know he was injured last year, but even prior to that. How often does he hold a runner up and create a maul? How often deos he make meaningful meters in a game? How often does he tackle players backwards outside the first five minutes of a game? Is his jumping world class? What are his handling skills like? How often does he get stripped of the ball and hand over posession? When was the last time you saw him be in a decent supporting position off a runner's shoulder? Whats his ruck vist count like?

There always seems to be a Thomas Aquinas type proof that exists for Eben. There where you can't see, there exists Eben's excellence.

If i recall, Moz does rate Eben too. So, im not saying what im saying simply to suck up. Because someone will certainly say that.

Lomp i'm on the fence about. Probaby always will be.

Snyman is a different kettle of fish. For me, he's got more potential than anyone else and a solid brain to boot. He is actually a ball carrier, excellent handling skills, supports runners and does decent intelligent grunt work too. Pace, skill, power and brains. Similar to PSDT in a lot of ways, but better in my opinion.

Anyway, if i were to choose between a guy that i can count on game after game to be the heart of my engine room and a guy that will give me one dominant performance every five or more games...for me the choice is obvious.

https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/sport/rugby/franco-mostert-gives-gloucester-an-edge-reckons-peter-omahony-896381.html

Kitshoff, Marx, PSDT, Snyman, Mostert...those are my types of players.

Eben, Lomp, Malherbe....those are not my type of players.

SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
08 Feb 2019, 13:49
#46
08 Feb 2019, 13:49#46
Eben makes metres every time he takes contact as does the likes of Lood and PSDT. Mostert certainly does not. When Eben hits an opponent they go backwards, something Mostert can’t effect. One on one Etzebeth will always win the battle. All players end up getting stripped when isolated and gang tackled it’s the nature of the beast. Etzebeth is the best Bok lock I have seen. Has the same if not more physical presence as Bakkies but is a better athlete. Mostert at 112kg is simply just not physical enough for a Bok lock and his test displays to date confirm this. If we are wondering why we are only achieving parity in the forwards and not dominating it’s because we lack grunt with Mostert in tow. If we want to dominate as we should then get a real lock to partner Eben like Snyman or Lood. Personally I’d play PSDT alongside Eben but Rassie seems hell bent on playing him at 7 which is stupid considering we have the options of the du Preez twins and the very impressive Jacques du Plessis playing for Montpellier
MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
08 Feb 2019, 17:35
#47
08 Feb 2019, 17:35#47
Nobody goes backwards when they are hit, except for rare 'crash' tackles which are always noted. It's a matter of how much forwatd momentum the carrier retains. Etzebeth, a very strong man might stopthem a few inches sooner....but that's just an impression. As for Mostert and Stephanie my analysis shows they are very close. Mostert slightly the more secure tackler. No doubt Stephanie is a better ball carrier, but still not a great carrier. Mostert is the better lineout forward and the more instinctive passer. I give the nod to Mostert....and I'd play him at blindside. His style in that role would work better with the Boks than the Lions running game. Stephanie is a lock, but I prefer Snyman at 5......a bigger man and more imposing. My main beef has been against the unfair attention Stephanie gets, unfair to his fellow players and destructive. Erasmus' big mea culpa about Stephanie can hardly be going down well with his fellow players. So let's hope for his sake Stephanie doesn't revert to his patchy 2017 form.
RO
RooinekCaptain18,117 posts
08 Feb 2019, 18:04
#48
08 Feb 2019, 18:04#48
Agree Plum. Eben Etzebeth is the most hyped up and overrated player since Bob Skinstad. Everyone raves about how big and strong he is but on the field of play that seems to count for nothing because on the field he's average at best. 
I suspect a lot of the hype comes from the Cape where the mincing little Stompie supporters swoon and squeal with delight every time Etzebeth puts on his angry face . . . which is most of the time . . . unless he's involved in handbags when he has that silly "I are so tough I even smiles for you" grin slapped all over his face.
I'm not obsessed by size like some. For me it's not how tall or how heavy a player is, it's what he actually produces on the field so I don't discount players because they're supposedly too small for their position. Mostert is plenty big enough for lock or blindside flank and he has great energy and the heart of a warrior . . . which is more than I can say for the lumbering and ineffective Etzebeth.
CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
08 Feb 2019, 18:30
#49
08 Feb 2019, 18:30#49

Rooinek

Etzebeth is what I call a clumsy player - easily brought down in tackles.   he rarely mnakes the hard yards expected from a lock.

The orc realized that Bakkies was gone - so he suddenly supported Etzebeth in 2012 - irrespective of his performance,

However, Du Toit was a different matter - the orc hated him because of a potential threat to Matfield.   Since then he writes BS about Du Toit every day he thinks he had some enw discovery he ca criticize can find reason to criticize Du Toit,

Most of what he came up is total BS and if he writes something immediately takes the opposite view - since his knowledge of the game is minus zero.   I ignore his BS - and thinking  members should just do so as well.   .   

DB
DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
08 Feb 2019, 18:45
#50
08 Feb 2019, 18:45#50

Etzebeth was first choice lock pick for the last 3 Bok coaches, but oul local experts know better. LMFAO!

Envy is a beech!

SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
08 Feb 2019, 19:03
#51
08 Feb 2019, 19:03#51
Etzebeth is our best lock by some distance
sharkbok
sharkbokCaptain23,253 posts
08 Feb 2019, 19:06
#52
08 Feb 2019, 19:06#52

Elizabeth was exceptional in his first test this year against Argentina. Perhaps the best performance by a lock I have seen, with a work rate similar to Retallack but more mongrel and power.

His second game was pathetic and he restored to his wrestling move, where a tackler lines him up while a second or third player waits for him to hit the deck to rip the ball out of his hands or get a penalty for playing the ball on the floor. Everyone knows he is not going to pass. Just take him low, and he will trip up. 

For the rest of the season, he was more involved with exchange of handbags. I would play Ezebeth less so he is not so assured of a starting position. At his best he is brilliant, at his worst, he is a low work rate player. 

DB
DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
08 Feb 2019, 19:15
#53
08 Feb 2019, 19:15#53

"I would play Ezebeth less so he is not so assured of a starting position. At his best he is brilliant, at his worst, he is a low work rate player"

Lol."

sharkbok
sharkbokCaptain23,253 posts
08 Feb 2019, 19:22
#54
08 Feb 2019, 19:22#54
Rooinek

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Feb 08, 2019, 18:04I suspect a lot of the hype comes from the Cape where the mi ncing little Stompie supporters swoon and squeal with delight every time Etzebeth puts on his angry face . . . which is most of the time . . . unless he's involved in handbags when he has that silly "I are so tough I even smiles for you" grin slapped all over his face. 
The Stormers fans are in awe of their hero Elizabeth and have signed Ezbeth underpants bought on eBay.
sharkbok
sharkbokCaptain23,253 posts
08 Feb 2019, 19:36
#55
08 Feb 2019, 19:36#55


MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
08 Feb 2019, 20:29
#56
08 Feb 2019, 20:29#56
'Mincing little Stompie fans'.......repitition alert.
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