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ShezzaPro2,471 posts
01 Mar 2020, 20:43
#1
01 Mar 2020, 20:43#1

He's out for 2 months at least with a haematoma to his thigh. 


Could possibly be due to being overplayed, especially the way he plays. Should be able to get match fit for the June series so luckily won't impact the Boks. 

BE
Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
01 Mar 2020, 22:23
#2
01 Mar 2020, 22:23#2

Hmmmm wonder what Dr Moz has to say. 

BE
Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
01 Mar 2020, 22:23
#3
01 Mar 2020, 22:23#3

Hmmmm wonder what Dr Moz has to say. 

AJ
AJHPro3,183 posts
02 Mar 2020, 01:34
#4
02 Mar 2020, 01:34#4

I watched the games this weekend and was shocked to see the empty stands....... what's up, guys.

Losing support in the game, poor teams to expensive to attend the games or what?



sharkbok
sharkbokCaptain23,236 posts
02 Mar 2020, 01:35
#5
02 Mar 2020, 01:35#5
Major blow to the Stormers, their highest work rate player. Perhaps not as effective as a loose forward in SuperRugby when compared to test level, but a vital player to be on the pitch somewhere. 
MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
02 Mar 2020, 18:02
#6
02 Mar 2020, 18:02#6

That’s certainly true....he is valuable to the team, as a player but more importantly as a symbol.

SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
02 Mar 2020, 18:55
#7
02 Mar 2020, 18:55#7
How the fuck can you be more useful at test level than the lower level of Super rugby?? There is ignorance and then you get this Wow
sharkbok
sharkbokCaptain23,236 posts
02 Mar 2020, 19:39
#8
02 Mar 2020, 19:39#8
Saffex you fool- this just shows you know nothing about rugby. You can watch a million games of rugby, but your stupidity filters will limit your understanding. 

On slower pitches, it is better to have bigger loose forwards. On fast pitches, it is better to have a fitter and faster loose forwards
Having bigger vs faster loose forwards also works in test rugby which has tighter defences and less space than in SuperRugby. 

SuperRugby, as well as rugby in Japan requires a fitter player. Many loose forwards play as locks in Japan because a more mobile player is required.  
Steph DuToit would be playing as a lock in Japan. In test rugby, locks can sometimes play well as blindside flanks.
Players life Warren Whitely look great in SuperRugby, but he has never produced the same form at test level. 
Steph Dutoit has transitioned to a very effective blindside loose forward at test level, but having him at lock may be better for SuperRugby. He is a fast runner especially for someone so big, but he is not going to cover the amount of metres on the park as some like Ardie Savea. (Who can play in all 3 positions in a backrow)
DB
DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
02 Mar 2020, 20:31
#9
02 Mar 2020, 20:31#9

@ The RWC, PSDT got IRB POTY

..playing at 7 in Japan...saying he is too big for loosie in Jap conditions and he should have played lock instead is kinda ignorant...not?

DB
DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
02 Mar 2020, 20:31
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02 Mar 2020, 20:31#10


sharkbok
sharkbokCaptain23,236 posts
02 Mar 2020, 20:42
#11
02 Mar 2020, 20:42#11

It was test rugby in Japan... try read what I wrote if you are going to quote me.  It is a fact that many flanks play as locks in the Japan league. Test rugby is not super rugby, or New Zealand national competition

SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
02 Mar 2020, 20:57
#12
02 Mar 2020, 20:57#12
Bwhaaahaaa and this fucking idiot is telling me I know nothing about rugby then comes up with this utter load of horse shit So in Super rugby all these big blindsides who excel in test rugby suddenly become redundant in the lower standard Super rugby because apparently Super rugby is a quicker game played on faster pitches. Whitely never succeeded at test level because he was not physically up to it having nothing to do with speed you stupid prick Using Savea as an example is plain stupidity because he never gets used at blindside in Super rugby only in tests you dumb fuck. A blindside in test and Super rugby is not there to cover the ground faster than the likes of Savea you profoundly stupid man. Which game of Super rugby has looked quicker than test rugby huh? You are fucking clueless when it comes to rugby utterly clueless PSDT less effective in Super rugby than test rugby - what an insult to the player Do us all a favour and shut the fuck up when it comes to rugby Stick to chicken packing and lying - those are your strengths
sharkbok
sharkbokCaptain23,236 posts
02 Mar 2020, 21:11
#13
02 Mar 2020, 21:11#13

You just proved my point....You said Whitely is not physical enough for test rugby, and this is why some locks at SuperRugby can be converted into loose forwards at test level- but not the other way around in SuperRugby. 

Saffex stick to being disbarred from being a lawyer. It probably took your about 20 years to get the degree, only to dishonourably being removed from the profession.

If it was not for your inheritance, you would be packing chickens at Tesco, which is really where your potential reaches its limit. 



DB
DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
02 Mar 2020, 21:23
#14
02 Mar 2020, 21:23#14

"It is a fact that many flanks play as locks in the Japan league. "

And this is relevant to PSDT, because he is a lock playing flank now? It's the exact opposite of what you are arguing, but it's relevant because it's test rugby and not SR?

I understand what you are trying to say, but I don't  agree. It's nonsense. In essence, you are saying is that it's easier for a lock to play at 7 in test rugby than at SR...hogwash! Test rugby is more difficult than SR...always, even at loosie in Japan . Try to keep up please.

SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
02 Mar 2020, 21:29
#15
02 Mar 2020, 21:29#15
Trust you to conclude I’ve proved your point, what part of a blindside not needing pace to cover the pitch in Super rugby or test rugby do you not get you fucking idiot? Whitely used pace and skill from 8 not blindside to make a slight impression at Super level in a game plan that looked to stay away from contact - a Lions thing. Pace is not a factor for a blindside in both test and Super rugby - get that into your rugby ignorant brain. Inheritance from who you stupid prick, would that be my living mother who was a school and Uni secretary all her life Keep up your lying dumbass - as I said it’s your strength How was work today you sad fuck, you steal any of the chicken you were meant to pack?
sharkbok
sharkbokCaptain23,236 posts
02 Mar 2020, 21:30
#16
02 Mar 2020, 21:30#16
What I was trying to say is that Steph Dutoit may be more effective as a lock-in SuperRugby, than as a loosie. Whereas in Test Rugby he could play in both positions equally- or maybe even better as a loosie. Test rugby is more physical and has less space than SuperRugby- or Japan league etc. Mobility is a bigger factor in SuperRugby. 
SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
02 Mar 2020, 21:42
#17
02 Mar 2020, 21:42#17
Bullshit Super rugby sides don’t select more mobile blindsides you idiot, except the Lions PSDT for Stormers Josh Strauss moved from 8 to 7 as he lacked mobility Tyler Paul - Sharks Live and learn idiot
sharkbok
sharkbokCaptain23,236 posts
02 Mar 2020, 22:02
#18
02 Mar 2020, 22:02#18
Fat Dave you speak so much shit that you forget what you say. You have stated on this board that you received a large inheritance, and you do not need to work because of this.
I have my own company,, and we do not work in the chicken packing industry at this stage...However, I am happy to pack you in the bag if that is your thing- and then deport you back to South Africa. 
MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
02 Mar 2020, 22:04
#19
02 Mar 2020, 22:04#19

All that happened is the Boks won  the WC....so the most popular Bok got World Player of the Year. Stephanie is obviously better in tight games than wide open games. That said the only 2 things he did at the WC worth noting were the pick and go try against theABs....and his rush onto Ford in the final, obviously a premeditated tactic which could have been executed just as well by Mostert.


A vastly overrated player...but clearly a loss to the Stormers.

SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
02 Mar 2020, 22:28
#20
02 Mar 2020, 22:28#20
No Sharktwat you lying prick I have never said I received an inheritance you idiot, try again you stupid man There is no way a stupid idiot like yourself has a company unless of course it’s packing chicken or picking strawberries You are too fucking stupid to be successful and you know fuck all about rugby How those Super rugby speedy blindside picks doing for you huh? Speedy PSDT, Wiese, Tyler Paul, Cyle Brink or Josh Strauss covering all that ground. Ignorant prick
sharkbok
sharkbokCaptain23,236 posts
02 Mar 2020, 22:30
#21
02 Mar 2020, 22:30#21

Do you also deny being disbarred from the legal profession? 

SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
02 Mar 2020, 22:39
#22
02 Mar 2020, 22:39#22
Bullshit Moz you don’t get named World player of the year being an ordinary player who’s contributions are minimal He was excellent at snuffing our attacks, he was excellent at carrying the ball in contact, his tackle count was better than most He was awesome Old huff and puff Mostert found himself relegated to the bench because Rassie eventually woke up to the fact that he was all heart and energy with limited productivity thanks to being physically challenged and not being able to impose himself as a lock should. It won’t be long before he is phased out of the Bok set up in total. Nice provincial standard player with plenty of heart but too lazy to apply himself in the gym to make a difference Not a test locks backside, marginally better than the likes of other physically challenged locks like Albert vd Bergh, Jeandre Kruger, Orie, Franco vd Merwe and Johan Muller The only lighter lock that was worth his lack of weight in gold was Matfield thanks to being such a brilliant athlete but even he in his prime muscled up to a respectable 115kg
MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
02 Mar 2020, 22:53
#23
02 Mar 2020, 22:53#23

Sure Dave and how many tackles did he beat. The fact that he ran a lot is not a mark of distinction...the Beast, Etzebeth, Marx, Mostert, hell even Fattie Malherbe could have made those runs. He never breaks a tackle!

Mostert was our best defender in the final and a much more dependable lineout jumper  than Dud.

SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
02 Mar 2020, 23:03
#24
02 Mar 2020, 23:03#24
You don’t beat defenders running into contact, he breaches the advantage line on those runs, something Mostert never does, who ends up being bashed backwards Mostert was the only forward to miss tackles when we were defending the line in the final. PSDT’s line out work is as good as Mostert’s as he proved this last weekend
MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
02 Mar 2020, 23:24
#25
02 Mar 2020, 23:24#25

The numbers don’t support that.

Dud against England 4 runs/2 metres/1 ball lost

Dud against Wales 3 runs/5 metres

Dud against Japan 6 runs/5 metres


There is no penetration it’s all a bloody myth....the guy is a toothless runner.


Mostert tackling against England...official ESPN stats....there were no Mostert missed tackles:


R SnymanR0310F MostertR01500F LouwR0300
SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
02 Mar 2020, 23:33
#26
02 Mar 2020, 23:33#26
It’s not a myth you will find Etzebeth has similar stats - you don’t gain 2m a run in contact, half a metre a time is a breach, it’s the norm Those Mostert tackling stats are wrong as I’ve pointed out before Go watch that passage of play again and you will see Mostert and Faf missing tackles - I still have the game recorded
MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
02 Mar 2020, 23:42
#27
02 Mar 2020, 23:42#27

Worst tackling stats against Japan....dud Toit. This guy’s massive contributions are a huge myth: :

00S KolisiFL21100P ToitFL1930D VermeulenN80610M MarxR0306S KitshoffR





SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
02 Mar 2020, 23:46
#28
02 Mar 2020, 23:46#28

Moz singling out one game is poor form, give us his tackling stats for the whole WC and that will tell the true story 

MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
02 Mar 2020, 23:51
#29
02 Mar 2020, 23:51#29

As for runners not breaching....here’s Leach, Dud’s opposite/3 clean breaks and 3 defenders beaten.....Moriarty, like Dud the main Welsh ball carrier.....and Underhill. All deliver much better running stats in games where the Boks dominated the defensive line.


Toothless with contributions that can’t be verified with any numbers. The grand illusion!



S UnderhillFL004150100


R MoriartyN80101631001









M LeitchFL

0511151330
MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
02 Mar 2020, 23:55
#30
02 Mar 2020, 23:55#30

Over the course of the playoffs Dud’s running stats were bettered by his opponents in every game....and his tackling stats were only competitive against Wales. Just because commentators and reporters feed you garbage, you don’t have to eat it!

SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
03 Mar 2020, 00:01
#31
03 Mar 2020, 00:01#31

Underhill is a open side

Leitch’s stats are no better than PSDT - if he beat 3 defenders but only gained 15m in 11 runs those beats will have amounted to nothing

But more than anything stats are a poor reflection of the facts

You can easily gain 15m when unopposed - stats alone provide no context at all

PSDT was better than any of the loosies you mention 


MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
03 Mar 2020, 00:20
#32
03 Mar 2020, 00:20#32

This is nonsense Dave....stats are not perfect, but if you can’t trace this  ‘excellence’ anywhere in the numbers....the chances are it’s not real.

SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
03 Mar 2020, 00:44
#33
03 Mar 2020, 00:44#33

His performances were excellent, he made more tackles than most and operated well in traffic carrying the ball

The job of a blindside 

Add the bonus of him snuffing out many attacks as Faf did

MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
03 Mar 2020, 01:24
#34
03 Mar 2020, 01:24#34

Sure...like the Welsh try.

sharkbok
sharkbokCaptain23,236 posts
03 Mar 2020, 01:35
#35
03 Mar 2020, 01:35#35
Fat Dave deducts points from Mostert's because he is about 5 kg lighter than the Nirvana weight for a number 5 lock. 
It is the same bias he applies in all of his interpretations. Extra points for younger players, or players that match a specific weight category for their respective position...Then deduct points from players over 30, or not the exact weight. The final view is a distorted view of reality... A lie...
SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
03 Mar 2020, 02:09
#36
03 Mar 2020, 02:09#36

Hey collarbone are you talking rugby here?

sharkbok
sharkbokCaptain23,236 posts
03 Mar 2020, 04:47
#37
03 Mar 2020, 04:47#37

Johan Dutoit is being earmarked as a replacement for Stephanie for the next 2 months.

However his Weight is only 108 kg. Does this mean that should only be allowed to play openside flank- even if he is not a fetcher?  

Does he need to stop going to the toilet to retain body mass? 


BE
Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
03 Mar 2020, 14:19
#38
03 Mar 2020, 14:19#38

The absurd attacks on Du Toit continues. Poor rooitwvt used to insist Luke Watson was better than Schalk Burger who also was the player of the year. Rooitwit was being ridiculous. Those today trashing Du Toit are now the ridiculous ones.

Dave wee matfield's playing weight varied from 105 kgs to 108 kgs. Victor said his best weight was 108 kg. When he stopped rugby he dropped to 102 kg. A lightweight string bean and NEVER EVER a proper lock. Matfield decimated our tight 5 turning it into a tight 4.

Shraktwi t you are a rugby loon as well. Anybody thinking Test rugby is slower than Super rugby is daft.


SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
03 Mar 2020, 15:07
#39
03 Mar 2020, 15:07#39
Beenkop I’ve posted a link stating Matfield at 115kg, the fact you choose to ignore it is your issue I’m I to believe your ignorant bias or the link There was no way a 2m muscled up Matfield only weighed 108kg in his prime Bullshit, that is lighter than de Allende Get real you ignorant prick Big Vic was a respectable 115kg in his prime
MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
03 Mar 2020, 18:38
#40
03 Mar 2020, 18:38#40

Not trashing Dud....HasBeen....simply saying he is overrated. And the stats support the point.

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