Rassie and Neinaber to stay on till 2025

Do we have to endure another 4 years if we are building towards the World Cup?

I would say the boks must reach the final, minimum if not with the bloody thing. 

As I said before. There’s no easy matches in pool A or B. 

I can maybe see us beat Ireland. NZ always have been 50/50, so not sure if we’ll get past them. Australia is our bogey team and we also drop a game against them. England, don’t know which team will show up and then either France or who ever in the final. 

I would definitely not shed a tear if we get knocked in quarters for Rassie, 

KC

You have been anti-Erasmus since 2018 and the fact is you seems not to give Erasmus or Nienaber any credit for rebuilding the Springbok team after near to total destruction by Meyer and Coetzee. 

What do you endure from?   

Ja sure....from 65% to 61.5 % win Ratio decline.....some of the worst player Selections in Bok history.....poor Record for building Player Depth ever....1 Dimensional Stampkar/ kick Gameplan, that makes us to predictable as seen so clearly this past season...no new Coaching Structures implemented....a Decline in our Defence Structures.... Off Field incidents by Rassie that did more damage then anything else.....Disrespecting his head coach and making him his bitch...Rassie is far from perfect and best @ saving a down and out team, but keeping them @ the top a totally Different story.....so not seeing these facts, also could easily be labelled as Big time Rugby Ignorant.

Mpower

Nothing  worse than the Meyer selections.  If you pick a World  Cup squad with 8 unplayable players like happened in 2015 you are really a desperately poor situation.

Stampkar rugby - that prevailed with White for the Springboks and every team he coached afterwards.  Meyer was desperately poor in that regard and Coetzee was totally clueless.  White has no knowledge about backline play and 15-man rugby.   Meyer said the backline players do not have the ball skills to play a ball-in-hand game and he never bothered to try anything different - he was same as White totally clueless about 15 man-rugby and especially backline usage.

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Mike, I think you have me mistaken for someone else. I have always said that Rassie should take over from Alistair and welcomed the fact that he took over. I also welcomed what he brought to SA. Stability and structure within our franchises. 

I'm Stormers fan and have been following Kolissi, Etzebeth, Kittshoff and the rest for some time now. Way back from U21 days. 

Neither have I been an Ardant Meyer fan. I moan and criticised just as much as any bok fan when the team doesn't show up or they lose down to coaching errors. Mainly around selection and what the players put out on the park. 

Up and until the the Lions series, I was all behind Rassie. But what I don't like is big egos or Windgat people. 

I have gone through great length to explain why I am less of a Rassie fan these days. Especially when we as the fans have to suffer through the losses and watch how they pick Jantjies over a form Player like Libbok that didn't even get a sniff until all the 10s imploded. Even Fat Frans was selected at 10 who completely bombed. 

The only difference with White way back when was that we all knew he was getting ready for the WC. We as the fans didn't like that the players were being rested or left behind. But all the players arrived fit and ready. The end result, we won. 

I also stressed that I don't like meaningless test. Looks like these days the only test worth watching is during the World Cup. 

I'm not sure Rassie deserves another 4 years when he has already been in the seat for 6 years. 

But as my previous thread, there aren't that many quality SA coaches putting their hands up right now.

Erasmus was a mess from the start. It's like a strange spell has been cast over South African rugby, it's just like Rasputin. An Erasputin to be precise. We must rid South African rugby of this malady at once before all is lost. 

Erasmus was a mess from the start.  H e built up a demoralized team into a team winning the RC and WC in 2019 - the first time ANY TEAM won those two trophies in the same year.    I am delighted that is a mess - I LMAO  - It is total comedy,     

Actually the demoralized team was the Harrassmiss’ 2018 Boks with its 50% win ratio and losses to England, Wales, New Zealand, Australia and Argentina. 

He was blundering along at the WC but the easiest pathway ever and an English team which never showed resurrected his fortunes. Since then we have sunk back into mediocrity and could easily drop out of the top 5 this year.

He has also sullied the Bok name with his unprecedented attack on the refs.

Erasputin won the abbreviated RC, with a win over the worst Wallaby side in 45 years. Hardly the stuff of legend. Even last season, against the worst All Black and Wallaby sides of all time, Erasputin still couldn't win a full RC. Even with the ref in his pocket, wiping teams out of games, he still couldn't do it. Embarrassing. Jake was minutes away from back to back TN titles against the last strong era of Wallaby and All Blacks, without Pumas to pad out the stats sheet. 

Mozart

Stop talking shit on site.  The Springboks Erasmus inherited from Meyer and Coetzee was totally demoralized - they even lost against Italy.     He had to rebuild the team from the word go and the first task he had to get the leadership back into playing positive rugby especially those players like Pollard and Le Roux that were ignored by Coetzee and played no real international rugby in 2016 and 2017.     In the second case there were gaps to be filled in the team and for that he had to select experimental players to see whether they make the grade.   Some never made the grade and was excluded from the team - some like Esterhuizen were given multiple chances but in the end failed to deliver the goods.

In any event the 2018 tream did something that never happened in an away test and that w in beating the AB's in NZ.   They beat the touring English team as well.   By the way they played an extra match in 2018 against the English team and Esterhuizen did a thing that destroyed any chances of winning the game minutes before the end of the match.

There never was an easier pathway for a WC winner than was the case with the 2007 team coached by clueless White.   

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They were not demoralized under Meyer. They were consistently #2 under him. Coetzee empowered players to showcase their ability; the turnovers were costly. The Boks have been so dour under Erasputin that many of the most respected people in the game have commented on this. Woodward has it right, this strange coaching arrangement is a joke and should not have been implemented in the first place.

In any event the 2018 tream did something that never happened in an away test and that w in beating the AB's in NZ.

Really? Care to review 1998, 2008, and 2009? We've won in New Zealand a few more times Michael.  How about the home game of 2018 that Erasputin ruined? 

By the way they played an extra match in 2018 against the English team and Esterhuizen did a thing that destroyed any chances of winning the game minutes before the end of the amtch.

Not really actually. Damian blundered the most physically dominant pack performance over England that I have ever seen, and then conceded the penalty to give England the lead, after which they ran amock! Esterhuizen made the right decision given the situation and was fouled. Esterhuizen sums up situations quickly, and was not to blame. We also had two attacks deep in England territory to claw our way back, both blundered by the weak carriers of Lood who fumbled the ball both times. 

He had to rebuild the team from the word go and the first task he had to get the leadership back into playing positive rugby especially those players like Pollard and Le Roux that were ignored by Coetzee and played no international rugby in 2016 and 2017.   

Rebuild? Really? Who were these players? Kitshoff, Malherbe, Marx, Eben, Lood, du Toit, Kolisi, Thor, Whiteley, Louw, Pollard, Faf, Janjties, Willie, Beast, Mostert, De Allende, Kriel, Am, Bongi, Frans, Morné, Reinach, Nyakane, Britz ? Stop peddling consistently debunked lies Michael. 

Harrassmiss blooded exactly one new player in the WC final, Mapimpi. He was gifted the rest by Coetzee and Meyer in particular

Michael lies…I think it’s his training in local government. An environment where bullshit baffles brains.

Erasputin's Boks play very much like Straeul's Boks, only, without the hard edge. The Boks looked ragged last year. Very disorganised. They have shown the worst ability of all top 15 sides to break down an organised defence. Sloppy handling errors, mindless running, no discernible plan outside of a couple of phases. Defence has deteriorated markedly, now the worst of the top 10 sides, scrapping 80%. Where has the development been? Who are our wings? Bodies shuffled around the backline, no clear answers. Badly managed team. Poor attention to detail. No analytical skills. 

Turned it around? 7th to 5th and 6th place through 2018 to the loss in the WC against New Zealand. The easy schedule and path and the double ranking points created a myth, that and the year out. The Boks have never looked like a top 3 team under Erasputin. 

He went to 7th, to 6th, to 5th and to 6th through 2018 into 2019. Until Japan, we were 6th. So, we had Japan, and injury-depleted Welsh side and the greatest matchup of the NH sides who lose their prop in a key scrum battle. Beast feasts on their scrum. It could not have been easier. Myth. Never a top 3 side under Etasputin, arguably, not even top 5. 

Facts? You and Michael combined equate to one forked tongue. I dub thee Prong 1 to Michael's Prong 2. Not a fact to be found anywhere near either one of you! 

You do not recognize facts if it slaps you in the face.  You distribute farts and call the BS are facts.    

Facts? Like Jake dropping Morné for the 2007 WC, or Esterhuizen losing the Aussie test we won in 2018, or Morné losing the Dunedin test of 2012 after Goosen replaced him with the scores level, or Pollard not playing in 2017 despite accumulating 7 caps that year, Erasputin rebuilding the team with a core of players all capped by Snor, Meyer or Coetzee, Morné joining a soccer team, the amount of tests Jake played against NZ... the list goes on and on. I am having to correct pretty much every post you make for basic errors. You just can't tell the truth, not even by accident! 

You are too sloppy Saffex, you do just as Michael does: Make it all up as you go along. Korn rightly drew attention to your inconsistencies regarding Willemse and Damian at 12. The rest is just mindlessly projected bluster with no consideration for accuracy or consistency. There's a commonality to the angry horde: all emotion. 

Deflection? I have unveiled all of the bare bone facts. Hence you've had nothing to pin your donkey tail to the cart horse coach Erasputin. I can see you are about to cry now, so I'll give you a break. I just can't watch a grown man break down like a weak little girl. 

They never make any really useful and proven allegations against  coaches and players involved

Doos is such a low life he bangs on about Rassie being useless but can’t provide evidence of another Bok coach with a better run than Rassie

Actually, I have. I have disproven all of your assertions. Mr Michael has taken quite the beating the past week. It's interesting, what little information the two of you post is almost always errant. Basic facts are incorrect. Too sloppy, too many assumptions. And when you encounter the truth, you throw a tantrum. I can just about see Saffex's bottom lip quiver as I type. Poor wee fella. 

It's all over the board. I suggest you start opening your eyes for once in your life. You are too lazy, and I'm not going to spoon feed you. 

Not really. Jake, Meyer, Mallett, Early Snor were all better. 

I've produced enough. You are calling me a liar go show me where I have lied and what this correct information is. Stop being a lazy slob and post something of substance for once!