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Rassie and Neinaber to stay on till 2025

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
18 Jan 2023, 00:05
#41
18 Jan 2023, 00:05#41

Has any coach taken us from 1 to 4 in a year?

SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
18 Jan 2023, 00:17
#42
18 Jan 2023, 00:17#42
Rassie was not hands on when it came to that fall We can thank Neinaber for that - the non coach But I’m guessing given how piss poor some of our coaches have been there must have been some significant drops in standings Take Jakes piss poor 12 months for instance and there have been many worse Bok coaches than Jake
MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
18 Jan 2023, 00:29
#43
18 Jan 2023, 00:29#43

Ah the old heads Rassie wins/tails Nienaber loses philosophy.

SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
18 Jan 2023, 01:16
#44
18 Jan 2023, 01:16#44
Well if a coach is not physically with his team he can’t coach them. Rassie’s strength is motivation and he commands the respect of the players. None of that plays it’s part if you are sitting at home Nothing will change my opinion on that
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sharkbokCaptain23,226 posts
18 Jan 2023, 01:49
#45
18 Jan 2023, 01:49#45

They are making their attack better, which is promising for the World Cup. A mix of 15-man rugby combined with Bok's physicality and defence. 

MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
18 Jan 2023, 01:56
#46
18 Jan 2023, 01:56#46

Like the YE tour..Ireland, France Harrismiss attends….Italy, England Harrassmiss is MIA.

SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
18 Jan 2023, 02:08
#47
18 Jan 2023, 02:08#47
Yep we were good against Ireland and France - we were better than both. Shocking officiating and goal kicking cost us against Ireland and a Red against France did the same Rassie was present with Italy
CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
18 Jan 2023, 02:18
#48
18 Jan 2023, 02:18#48

Mozart

Youa re obviously totally stupid and blind in dealing  with  Erasmus and so is your comrade Doos XL aka l'Grande Merde.     You talk about Erasmus taking the team from 1 to 4 in a year  - so go back and see what White did in 2006 and 2007 prior to the WC and what Meyer did in the period November 2014 to September  2015.   In the latter period the Springboks played 8 matches and won 3.   Obviously you do not realize that the losses were in the main caused by the elderly players you support.   So no criticism of the coach at the time - bar one weak argument against the Meyer disaster yet you have the cheek to criticize Erasmus continuously on a daily basis based on BS you concocted in your rugby-empty top storey.  .         

The losses included the first time ever the Springboks lost a home game against Argentina and then there was the Japan disaster in the WC.  In that period the Springboks went from 3 in the world to 6.  The first time the Springboks did not win a single match in the RC.   

         

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Deus Ex LemurPro2,355 posts
18 Jan 2023, 12:24
#49
18 Jan 2023, 12:24#49

Who lost those games in 2015? Damian directly conceded every try, Damian, Lood, Steph and Lambie messed up the Argie test and Kriel botched the Japan test. Damian and Lood cost us the WC semi. You can't blame gamelan for a player failing to make his assignments, though I do blame Meyer for giving in to pressure from dumb pseudo fans like you and Saffex. Meyer's Boks were far more advanced. The last functional attacking game, playing dynamic rugby. 

MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
18 Jan 2023, 17:12
#50
18 Jan 2023, 17:12#50

Clever you obviously can’t read…I said in a year, not over 2 years. 

MP
MpowerPro5,061 posts
18 Jan 2023, 17:40
#51
18 Jan 2023, 17:40#51

It was definitely not the small percentage of Bad ref calls that made us loose those 2 games......we had more chances to win but our inability to execute properly, is the main reason....Fact!

SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
18 Jan 2023, 18:34
#52
18 Jan 2023, 18:34#52
Mpower stop being stupid If the ref and TMO’s had been any good the try to Ireland should never have been awarded on two counts - an Irish foot booting the ball through the ruck and then a blatant forward pass to the reserve prop As for the test against France we played with 14 men, was never going to be a contest and we still nearly beat them The officiating in the Irish test was disgraceful. Obviously it did not help that we had no recognised goal kicker and missed some sitters But more to the point, we were better than Ireland and France in those games showing how much we have improved since the dip in displays - we played nice attacking rugby and dominated up front
MP
MpowerPro5,061 posts
18 Jan 2023, 20:42
#53
18 Jan 2023, 20:42#53

Stop being Stupid? Stupid is as Stupid does  We were not better, otherwise we would have won !

SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
18 Jan 2023, 21:44
#54
18 Jan 2023, 21:44#54
Oh boy fuck me I give up
DE
Deus Ex LemurPro2,355 posts
18 Jan 2023, 22:54
#55
18 Jan 2023, 22:54#55

A South African whining about the ref is about the most ridiculous thing possible. That's the only thing keeping this shambles afloat. Erasputin was wise to attack the officiating and pull the race card out, he was never going to get an edge with coaching. Maybe it's time to get the disco lights out. 

CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
18 Jan 2023, 23:15
#56
18 Jan 2023, 23:15#56

Listen Mozart

Erasmus does not decide on the EOYT schedule - World Rugby decides on it.   So that accusation of yours is BS.   Start thinking before you write BS in site.       

MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
19 Jan 2023, 04:39
#57
19 Jan 2023, 04:39#57

What accusations Clever?

DE
Deus Ex LemurPro2,355 posts
19 Jan 2023, 08:23
#58
19 Jan 2023, 08:23#58

Michael is losing the plot. Totally unraveling. 

CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
19 Jan 2023, 10:31
#59
19 Jan 2023, 10:31#59

Moart

You wrote shit on site - not expected from a person like you.   You claim that Erasmus demoralized the team in 2018 and then turned that around in 2019.   I have never seen that in a team bar one coached by White.   The latter destroyed players by his conduct as to having favored players - while he shit on the rest of the team - an example being in the 2005 and 2006 Springbok teams and in the Sharks team in 2014.

In any event whether you like it or not 90% of your demonizing of Erasmus is due entirely to your prejudice against him caused by the fact that he and not White was appointed to replace Coetzee.      

     

CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
19 Jan 2023, 10:34
#60
19 Jan 2023, 10:34#60

"Who lost those games in 2015? Damian directly conceded every try, Damian, Lood, Steph and Lambie messed up the Argie test and Kriel botched the Japan test. Damian and Lood cost us the WC semi. You can't blame gamelan for a player failing to make his assignments, though I do blame Meyer for giving in to pressure from dumb pseudo fans like you and Saffex. Meyer's Boks were far more advanced. The last functional attacking game, playing dynamic rugby. "

You could not be sane and wrote the above.   Sorry but only you are capable of coming up with that lot of BS all on your own.   Not  single issue you mention was true in every respect covered.   

MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
19 Jan 2023, 16:47
#61
19 Jan 2023, 16:47#61

Yes Damien and Lomp were the culprits in the WC semi…..Lomp’s culpability is beyond question, he missed a routine tackle and they scored a try. Dud Allende’s flub has been extensively analysed on here and proven by video 

HM caved to the pressure to select the likes of Dud Allende and Lambie….White would have stuck to his beliefs.

CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
19 Jan 2023, 18:12
#62
19 Jan 2023, 18:12#62

Mozart 

That analysis of yours was not replicated by anybody in the world.   Nonu was runni.ng  across the field trying to get away from De Allende and the latter had to follow him.  Initially you lied about him not tackling  Nonu.   When it was clear as to what happened in reality you went back on the missed tackle story - but still insisted for some stupid reason or other you blamed De4 Allende for the scoring  of the try.   It was BS of Pietersen not to cover Barrett and the try came from him  after in the tackle Nonu managed to off-load the ball to Barrett with Pietersen being  nowhere in defense.   Only a complete prejudiced idiot would blame De4 Allende fr that try being scored.    

In any event the final could still have been won despite the try if Matfield coming from the bench missing the first line-out ball thrown to him in a line-out and later on when the Springboks were given a easily convertable penalty.    Matfield decided to do a neck wrestle on an AB player and the penalty was reversed and the AB's got a penalty as a result.

Meyer was totally clueless about team selection.  He selected 8 unplayable players for the WC squad of 2015 and he was fired by Stade Francais on the same score.  Stade gave him an unlimited amount of money and he squandered it on has-beens and never-has-beens.   He was shockingly poor in backline selections and fuck that up totally.   Why will nobody appoint him to do rugby coaching after he was effectively fired by both SARU and Stade Francais.   By the way the selection of retired players who he plead with to return to play for the Springboks were totally destructive when it came to the Springboks. .     

   


  

CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
19 Jan 2023, 18:26
#63
19 Jan 2023, 18:26#63

Doos XL aka l'Grande Merde

Incidentally De Allende did not start in the Argentine test in 2015 - the no 12 selected for the purpose was De Villiers.    So try again BSter - your mania is out of control.     

DE
Deus Ex LemurPro2,355 posts
19 Jan 2023, 20:10
#64
19 Jan 2023, 20:10#64

Michael, you are trying to refute things I never said, thus making yourself look even more stupid. Please, stop, the second hand embarrassment is too much! 

MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
19 Jan 2023, 20:30
#65
19 Jan 2023, 20:30#65

So in your world Clever an inside center can wander from the center of the field near the 22 meter line to 5 meters from the corner flag, and his opponent is not supposed to tackle him? Just watch with interest?


That was a 100% on Dud failing to aggressively commit to the tackle and it cost us a shot at the WC.

DE
Deus Ex LemurPro2,355 posts
19 Jan 2023, 22:48
#66
19 Jan 2023, 22:48#66

This is what gets me Mozferatu... they'll attack Meyer for that loss, yet they will never ever blame the player for the mistake that cost the game. Lood was absolutely shredded in the first half too; not a word has ever been spoken of it. These experts that Saffex gushes over, I have never ever seen on such source ever provide a technical assessment of any game at any level. These clowns are as clueless as the guppies who feast on their words. 

CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
20 Jan 2023, 01:06
#67
20 Jan 2023, 01:06#67

Doos XL aka l'Grande Merde

You cblame De Allende for losses in matches he did not play in.   That lie you never admitted.   Then as to the Japan disaster in 2015 I do not only blame Meyer for it.   You cottoned onto blaming De Jager and Kriel for it - while the fuckups came from  a string of the elderly player starting off with Matfield refusing to play the game he was supposed to play - with Bismarck giving away 4 penalties - with Pienaar giving away 2 penalties - with Burger knocking on every ball he was supposed to carry.    

The fact is that  the game plan was in true Meyer style limited and totally unacceptable.  In the first instance the game plan was to over-whelm the Japanese up front - which Matfied sabotaged.   The next part was to make Burger carrying balls in traffic - a game he was not really good at - with the scrummie passing the breakdown ball recovery to the flyhalf to kick away or to recover the ball and then pass it to De Villiers who was supposed to carry the ball also in traffic.   De Jager came on as a replacement from the bench and scored one of  the tries after carrying the ball for more than 25 meters in the process. 

Matfield in fact was a total mess in the series.  He produced zero in the Japan disaster - started in the Samoa game and walked off the field with a supposed injury for which he was not treated on the field and replaced by De Jager.   His next match in the series was against the AB's when he came from the bench and I described in some detail how he sabotaged the Springbok's effort.

Meyer's problem started with his contribution to squad selection.   The squad selection included players who have not played any rugby for up to 18 months.   The result was the inclusion of 8 unplayable players,    The idea with WC squad selection was to have replacements to play against weaker teams giving key players at least one rest test in the series,    That was not possible and of the unplayable players one never played in any match and the others were limited to bench appearances of less than 40 minutes,   The so-called great Morne Steyn played from the bench for a total of 30 minutes in the series. 

The shit coaching  mentioned above ended Meyer's career on test level - same as his similar deficiencies at Stade Francais stopped his whole career as a coach on any level of rugby.                                    


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