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Rassie Erasmus the new favourite for Bok coach?

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26 Jan 2016, 20:01
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26 Jan 2016, 20:01#1
The article here from Sport24 would suggest that Allister Coetzee is going to honour his commitments to his Japanese club and Rassie Erasmus is now the bookies favourite to become the next Springbok coach.
Must admit I found it a bit strange that Coetzee's appointment was not announced early in the New Year and I s uspect something fishy is going on.
If Johan Ackermann was not a candidate and it was a straight race between the two I reckon I'd prefer the more experienced Allister Coetzee to Rassie and his bizarre disco lights. We never got to the bottom of why Rassie felt the need to signal everything from up on high instead of simply trusting his captain with an agreed game plan.
This is not sounding good at all . . .
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26 Jan 2016, 20:41
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26 Jan 2016, 20:41#2
 Rooinek
I have no problem with Plumtree or Ackerman being appointed.  I would prefer them ahead of the clueless Coetzee who has a major problem insofar as backline play is concerned.    
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26 Jan 2016, 20:53
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26 Jan 2016, 20:53#3
So what's Rassie like? What kind of rugby does he like?
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26 Jan 2016, 21:05
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26 Jan 2016, 21:05#4
I think Rassie could be a good coach. 
When he was appointed at WP, the Stormers became a good team. This was after winning the Curry Cup in his first year at the Cheetas.
The Stormers have more attacking play when he was involved- not just defence. It was Rassie that gave Nienabaar the defence coach opportunity to get involved with the Stormers- and creating the best defence in SuperXV.
Coetzee was given the position when Rassie said the pressure of being the head coach was too much. Not sure if it was self -inflicted pressure or the WP Board that created all the pressure. Although Rassie did give a parting shot saying that the WP board was useless- and reminded all that Nick Mallett had said the same thing. 
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26 Jan 2016, 21:49
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26 Jan 2016, 21:49#5
 SB
As far as I understand it Rassie when he left said he cannot put up with the WP Board.  They were always absolute tripe and not interested in Stormers/WP Rugby, but the self-interest of the Clubs they represent.  They are totally unprofessional -a bunch of quasi-politicos.   
Their pet always was Coetzee - him with the 100% lack of rugby knowledge - especially of backline play.  
Rassie at present is the SARU Director of Rugby - with a massive work load  inclusive of trying to do something about the Kings as well.   
He is exactly opposite to what Meyer was - he will not run back to the retirees to come back and play test rugby and he does not believe in 10 man rugby.     
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27 Jan 2016, 01:19
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27 Jan 2016, 01:19#6
@clever. He seems to be a good player scout that can identify talent. I think he also understands attacking backline play more than most SA coaches- if not all. 
Also, the politics of the selection means that we are probably limited with someone from South Africa- instead of a Kiwi coach. (at least for the backline).
He was a skillful player as well who seemed to understand the game. 
He might not have had the physical assets like Bob Skinstad or Joe Van Niekerk for individualism- but his game understanding was solid. 

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27 Jan 2016, 01:43
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27 Jan 2016, 01:43#7
 just another pretender......next.
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27 Jan 2016, 02:34
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27 Jan 2016, 02:34#8

Rassie seems to me a Jack of All trades - master of none.

He has achieved nothing thus far as a S15 coach (he in fact dropped the Cheetahs like a hot potato) only to get involve with coaching at the Stormers where he also achieved hardly anything.

When Jake White wanted to use him in the coaching of the 2007 Bokke, he initially accepted but rather quickly dwindled into the background. 

Nope he is not trustworthy enough for such an important job.


In a recent poll done by Rugby365 Nick Mallett came out as the most preferred candidate:

nick mallet  18.46%  (218 votes)  

 

Johan Ackermann  15.58%  (184 votes)    Rassie Erasmus  12.7%  (150 votes)    Wayne Smith  10.92%  (129 votes)    John Plumtree  7.71%  (91 votes)    Jake White  5.59%  (66 votes)    Allister Coetzee  4.15%  (49 votes)I'd say the number of participants in this pol l was high enough to make it representative of the true feeling of the rugby fans.
Allister Coetzee was favoured by the media (many who did not know the questionable importance of the Conference part of the S15). Media reports indicated some opposition from Northern Unions and I do not know if they have any veto powers.
I would not have any serious concerns with Mallett and I think/hope he has become a grownup since his last coaching spell with the Bokke. 
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27 Jan 2016, 06:14
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27 Jan 2016, 06:14#9
 Great coaches have character. To me Rassie is always running away from the task rather than embracing it....and Mallett is the critics critic. I would take Coetzee in a heart beat vs these two show ponies.
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27 Jan 2016, 06:45
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27 Jan 2016, 06:45#10
 Mozart
Why always be the absolute fool in dealing with issues?  Is it because your understanding of the game is so limited?   
Your understanding of rugby ties in with the "stampkar" approach meaning that the game ends at no 10 kicking balls away and the backline being there to defend only - remember the fact that you said that 90% of what is required from flyhalfs being the ability to kick balls.   That is why your ideal flyhalfs all flopped - Morne and Fat Fransie being typical examples.
If you want to participate in debate - come up with reality and not rubbish like making unfounded and ridiculous statements.   What has Erasmus run away from?      
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27 Jan 2016, 08:39
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27 Jan 2016, 08:39#11
@Rooi Explains why they never advertised the job. They just put up a sticky note on the cafeteria's message board. Still, I think thqt no matter who is chosen, Meyer's style of rugby is dead and buried for good. I can't see anyone with half a brain thinking that stamper can continue...even with the best available players. If Russie spoke badly about the WP bosses, wouldn't they try to block his appointment? Mallet would be a great choice. Actually the only one on that poll who I wouldn't want would be Coetzee. Though I'd have him over Meyer any day. Still, I'm holding thumbs for Wayne Smith.
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27 Jan 2016, 08:39
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27 Jan 2016, 08:39#12
 Seldom have I read so my twaddle in one threadI posted on a number of occasions how Rassie is rated by significant voices as the most acute rugby brain they have encountered.
His coaching and captaining of Free state was outstanding as was what he did for Stormers. He left because of the nonsense going on at WP province  - as did Mallet. Rassie ran away from NOTHING - what a scandalous accusation!!!!
There could hardly be a better choice.
That said given our racist quota policies and all the other problems the Bok coaching job is more than ever a poison chalice. 
Coetzee is a quota coach who simply has no clue. His defense only approach shows how clueless he was. A quota appointment for the Boks - which Jake handled by bringing in Eddie Jones for the RWC.  Nice man but no rugby acumen and way out of his depth. Only appointed because of the WP desire for transformation meaning raced based selections.
That ou rooitwit, who is so consistently wrong and where any deviation is a wonder, trashes Rassie should be a warning light to all. Bwhahahahahahaha
Dr Mozz who had a poor 2015 supporting duds lie wee matfiled and is now off to another poor start rugby wise.Hahhahahahahaha  - we hope you will pick up some form Moz. 
As for dense denise, Dr Moz's little parrot - he has become a complete echo of the good doctor. Has he an original thought in his lonely brain cell!!
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27 Jan 2016, 11:37
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27 Jan 2016, 11:37#13
 Good Christian post brother Bean Brian.
Allah Akbar!  
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27 Jan 2016, 21:28
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27 Jan 2016, 21:28#14
 dense denise I see the truth I posted is touching a nerve. dense denise you are an ignorant twit and the loss of that empty cranium will be of little moment. Nobody will notice. Bwahahhaahhahahahahaha
Now run along and find something to parrot ex Dr Moz. This hatter is a bigger suck up than a black hole!
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28 Jan 2016, 06:06
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28 Jan 2016, 06:06#15
Not everybody enjoys pressure....Rassie clearly doesn't. Let him theorize away at the Performance Centre, let the guys with some competitive fire coach the Boks.
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28 Jan 2016, 07:11
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28 Jan 2016, 07:11#16
 And you - bird brain - support the appointment of Coetzee.  Out of touch with reality too - Erasmus is the SARU Director of Rugby.  
But we know by now how your limited rugby intelligence works.  The type of rugby you support - "stampkar" is your idea of rugby, 90% of the function of a flyhalf is to kick balls, select players on reputation and performance is not necessary, the backline players are there for defense only.   One can go on and on.
As Beeno said you lost it completely over the past two years and it is time you start thinking before posting junk on this site.  
         
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28 Jan 2016, 12:28
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28 Jan 2016, 12:28#17

Disagree Rooi.......Coetzee is an average coach......I'd rather go with the unknown Rassie and hope for the best


With Coetzee you know you are on a road to nowhere  

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28 Jan 2016, 13:41
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28 Jan 2016, 13:41#18
 Coetzee is not a coach at all - he is clueless about backline play and he stuck with the midgets who got run over time and again when the chips were down.   The man was clueless about backline play when he was assistant coach for backline play at the 2007 WC and White had to set it right by getting in Eddie Jones to off-set that.   
I can understand the support of Mozart of Coetzee - especially since in Mozart's view scoring of tries in rugby is not necessary and the Stormers and WP was clueless in that regard for years now.   Last year the Cheetahs backline despite a poor record on the  whole scored more tries in Super 15 than the whole Stormers team scored - and substantially more.    
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28 Jan 2016, 15:52
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28 Jan 2016, 15:52#19

I'd rather have useless Jake White back than have to endure the utterly useless Coetzee as a coach.


Lets hope like hell Coeztee is staying in Japan  

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28 Jan 2016, 18:01
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28 Jan 2016, 18:01#20
Yep that Coetzee sure can't coach....in the last S15 the Stormers came 3rd, the Lions 8th and the Sharks 11th. And in the CC the depleted WP team came second to the Lions who hardly yielded a Bok.
Uninformed yapping as usual.

I would appoint Jake in a heartbeat, I might even give Ackerman a shot. But character counts, I would never appoint stab in the back Rassie or Mallett. If that were the choice I'd take Coetzee, who has a decent track record and recent experience.
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28 Jan 2016, 21:19
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28 Jan 2016, 21:19#21
 Mozart
Don't always show you sheer ignorance insofar as rugby is concerned.  Start thinbking before you show it on this site.
The only reason why the Stormers were 3rd on the log was that they head the SA Conference teams and had one more point in the total log than the Lions.  If only points were the criterium the Stormers would have been 7th on the log.  
Uninformed idiocy that leads to idiotic yapping in your case.  Your comments are really idiotic this time.  White was a disaster at the Sharks and was asked to resign or be fired - do yo want him as coach.   He is clueless and the performance of Montpellier shows that.   Coetzee is a sick joke as a coach.    
But then you want "stampkar" rugby with no real ability to score triesbeing a requirement,   You supported Meyer in all his idiocies as a coach 0 so what can one really expect from you but idiocy.     
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29 Jan 2016, 03:23
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29 Jan 2016, 03:23#22
So let's look at the South African conference. The Stormers are in fact 3 points clear of the Lions....11 points clear of the pathetic Sharks you were so excited about.
But more to the point, the Stormers were the only team who significantly  out scored their opponents. The Lions were down by 22 points, the Sharks you were so excited about by a disastrous 63.....and the enterprising, running Cheetahs were down by a massive 174 points.
The Stormers did this with a weak half back pair and the absence of their senior players. So explain to me again why Coetzee is such a terrible coach....old Queen.


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29 Jan 2016, 07:16
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29 Jan 2016, 07:16#23
 There is one issue of rank stupidity that counts and that is the scoring of tries - the key to winning rugby.   You believe it is not needed in rugby - everybody else believe it is.   Since Coetzee became coach the Stormers had the worst try scoring record of any rugby side in Super 15.   The Stormers whole team constantly scored les tries than teams like the Cheetahs backline scored and I believe in 2014 in the whole series they scored 21 tries as against the 29 scored by the Cheetahs backline players only.   
They concentrated on defense only and the backline was constantly incapable of playing attacking rugby.   You talk about the halfbacks - but what about the sieve that was the 13, 14 and 15 players, whose defense was absolute BS and in the main was useless in attacking play as well,   
A few years the Stormers reached the play-off stage of the competition - but then lost by massive margins - because of the "stampkar" rugby they played.   In the end the team was going nowhere under Coetzee because of their inability to score tries - and that is a fact.
                     
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29 Jan 2016, 07:34
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29 Jan 2016, 07:34#24
I am seriously battling to give a shart about who the coach will be. It actually makes no difference! If the Boks are going to be be forced to include undeserving black players then both the coach and the Boks are doomed to fail anyway! 
If SARU and the race obsessed politicians would just develop the game properly in the previously disadvantaged areas plenty of players of clolour would filter through the system, but that is not the case. Instead, out of the coloured and black rugby players, that make up maybe 10% of the rugby players in South Africa, the Super Rugby franchises and the Springboks somehow need to create a team including 50% of these race groups.
Isn't there some evil scientist that could create a virus that attacked only politicians?
Fark em all!     
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29 Jan 2016, 10:44
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29 Jan 2016, 10:44#25
 Great post Bluebok. It' s this racist nonsense and other factors they refuse to address that will keep ensuring we struggle. Cant see how this will come right but miracles do happen.Meanwhile our bunnies of yester year rule the roost ably assisted by bent refs!!!!
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29 Jan 2016, 12:25
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29 Jan 2016, 12:25#26
 Coetzee is utterly useless but trust Moz to back a loser look no further than his pathetic support of useless Meyer.
Coetzee had probably 10 times the number of Boks Ackers had to work with and he still managed to cock that up and never come close to a s15 final. 
As for Jake he was marginally better than Coetzee but still a piss poor coach....just look at his test record and look no further than his pathetic current club record.
Give me the rugby brain of Rassie anyday over these conservative pretenders.
But good to see you sti ll backing losers Moz...nothing changes 
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29 Jan 2016, 15:01
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29 Jan 2016, 15:01#27
Dave
Remember Jake came near to buggering up the whole Sharks situation and he was told to resign or he would be fired.   That is Mozart's first choice as a coach for the Springbok s.  What a loser that idiot is.     
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29 Jan 2016, 15:53
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29 Jan 2016, 15:53#28
 Jake was pathetic in his two years leading up to the WC...I think the year leading up to the WC he had a 26% win record. If you read Gavin  Rich s book he mentions how close useless Jake came to being fired that year. Eddie Jones saved his bacon....the WC win had little to do with Jake....why would it with such a poor preceding years record?
Did Jake suddenly see the light at the WC....I think not. Eddie made the calls and changed it for the good.
If it has to be a Saffa....give me Rassie, Ackers, Swys de Bruin or Mallett any day.....real rugby brains and very little conservatism involved. 
We cannot go anywhere near conservative clowns like Meyer, Ludeke, Jake or Coetzee....never again.
We have so much youthful talent that need to be given the authority to express themselves.




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29 Jan 2016, 18:08
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29 Jan 2016, 18:08#29
 My Bok couching setup:
  1. Gert - Coach 
  2. Carel - Backline
  3. Proudfoot - Voories
  4. Rassie - Analyst 
  5. Alistair - Manager.
  6. Nienaber/ Duane - Defence 
Probably too heavy and expensive. ..but I'm sure we will get results.
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29 Jan 2016, 23:58
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29 Jan 2016, 23:58#30

Thanks Draad.


First post I could read without a magnifying glass. 

I like your WP coup d'état.



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30 Jan 2016, 00:03
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30 Jan 2016, 00:03#31
 Results depend on available talent. I know that's hard to accept if you have spent years bashing the Bok coaches, it is nevertheless true. And unlike 8 years ago, we simply don't have the talent any more. This year is likely to be grim.
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30 Jan 2016, 00:06
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30 Jan 2016, 00:06#32
 Results depend on available talent. I know that's hard to accept if you have spent years bashing the Bok coaches, it is nevertheless true. And unlike 8 years ago, we simply don't have the talent any more. This year is likely to be grim.
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30 Jan 2016, 01:26
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30 Jan 2016, 01:26#33
 Talent is one thing - the ability to execute is another.   The talented players you constantly supported lost the ability to execute years ago,   So  this is going to be a grim year according to you,  It certainly cannot be worse than 2014 and 2015 were, What a lament from idiotic Mozart!!!!  
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30 Jan 2016, 03:05
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30 Jan 2016, 03:05#34
Saying doesn't make it so Tokkie. At least the players I support are making things happen like F du Preez did against Wales.....the player you supported, Raainacht, was putting on sun tan oil on a Durban beach. 
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30 Jan 2016, 03:36
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30 Jan 2016, 03:36#35
 If du Preez could not score that try he should not be playing rugby at all.   The try was made for him by Vermeulen and followed on a mistake made by the Welsh wing who left Du Preez with an open tryline and no defenders to beat,   What about his involvement in the constant and totally ineffective passing of balls b ack to the forwards - in other words the chronic inability to read the game and try out variations from a strategy that obviously did not work? 
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30 Jan 2016, 14:04
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30 Jan 2016, 14:04#36
 Blik, for some or other reason the text got bigger when I used the number bullets. It was none of my doing. As for the coaching team, yes I had my WP blinkers on.I won't be disappointed by that setup, but I actually only want Carel to work with the backs. I have no clue as to who should be Bok coach, but I know the responsibility should not rest in one seat. We should have a collective with one strong leader...the head coach does not have to be the strong leader, but it will help. I don't see Rassie or Alistair as that strong leader.
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30 Jan 2016, 20:01
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30 Jan 2016, 20:01#37

Draad, I said that (overall) I like your choice:


Carel could be a winner and Proudfoot has last year proved his coaching skills with the forwards.

Not sure about Gert Smal. I can not remember a massive impressive record throughout all the years he is coaching.

Allistair as manager could be a brilliant tactical call. His responsibilities are not clear though - media spokesperson?.

Duane as defensive coach? Defence should be part of the forward and backline coaches and Duane is still young enough for the next World Cup? 

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31 Jan 2016, 22:22
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31 Jan 2016, 22:22#38
Proudfoot did an excellent job with the Stormers scrum and Carel was good with the backs, but that was 17 years ago. We need a more contemporary backline coach...odd that nobody has emerged. A guy like Breyton Paulse was tactically very astute.
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31 Jan 2016, 22:30
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31 Jan 2016, 22:30#39
 We have the best young talent at our disposal right now. Better than it has ever been.
We were stupid enough to give the coaching job to a conservative prick who decided to play Matfield at a time we had Lood, Willemse, PSDT, Jacques du Plessis, Ruan Botha, Jean Kleyn, Lewies, Lorens Erasmus, Carl Wegner, Mostert, Jason Jenkins and RG Snyman to choose from......says it all really.
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01 Feb 2016, 00:10
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01 Feb 2016, 00:10#40
 Hahaha...yes let's have Stephanie. The poor guy was so out of his depth it was a red flashing light.
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