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Rassie has his inevitable Quintin de Kock moment

Started by Mozart35 REPLIES2,262 VIEWS· 25 Nov 2021, 19:27
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MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
25 Nov 2021, 19:27
#1
25 Nov 2021, 19:27#1

Rassie Erasmus and SA Rugby have withdrawn their appeals against the sanctions imposed after an independent hearing upheld a total of eight misconduct charges.

In addition, Erasmus and the Springboks’ union have issued a public apology to the match officials, led by referee Nic Berry, who oversaw the first Test against the Lions in July.

Erasmus was banned from all rugby activity for two months and can not be involved with any team on matchday until September 30 next year after being found guilty of six misconduct charges.


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Stick with moz!

BE
becsPro4,378 posts
25 Nov 2021, 21:08
#2
25 Nov 2021, 21:08#2

Bit embarrassing ?? 

DB
DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
25 Nov 2021, 21:10
#3
25 Nov 2021, 21:10#3

Either they were begged off behind the scenes...with some sort of clandestine incentive... or bullied into submission...travesty of justice...or did Peyeper suddenly remember a previous forgotten conversation...this stinks to high heaven...swept under the carpet until next time...horse sh!t.

DB
DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
25 Nov 2021, 21:14
#4
25 Nov 2021, 21:14#4

"Bit embarrassing ?? "

It was a bit embarrassing that all this concluded a few days before the England vs Bokke test...what a way to lead up to our final match of the year...real poor form by WR...almost seemed deliberate...

sharkbok
sharkbokCaptain23,230 posts
25 Nov 2021, 21:15
#5
25 Nov 2021, 21:15#5

Appealing the decision would just be saying he does not accept the verdict. All things considered, the punishment could have been more severe, so no real point in appealing at this stage. 

sharkbok
sharkbokCaptain23,230 posts
25 Nov 2021, 21:15
#6
25 Nov 2021, 21:15#6

Appealing the decision would just be saying he does not accept the verdict. All things considered, the punishment could have been more severe, so no real point in appealing at this stage. 

DB
DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
25 Nov 2021, 21:26
#7
25 Nov 2021, 21:26#7

Some are more equal than others...and some are the most equal of all...and can do no wrong. 10 month ban...

AJ
AJHPro3,183 posts
25 Nov 2021, 21:35
#8
25 Nov 2021, 21:35#8

Well that is the end of Rassie and the SARU/Springboks I would suggest. 

Or perhaps he was pressured to withdraw.

Who knows?

Sorry to see it end this way.

DB
DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
25 Nov 2021, 21:46
#9
25 Nov 2021, 21:46#9

What doesn't kill you, makes you stronger...the water boy will be back...with a vengeance. 

ST
Stavanger1Pro4,532 posts
26 Nov 2021, 01:54
#10
26 Nov 2021, 01:54#10

It was a bit embarrassing that all this concluded a few days before the England vs Bokke test...what a way to lead up to our final match of the year...real poor form by WR...almost seemed deliberate...

Am curious, when would of been a good time?

MO
moolaaPro2,380 posts
26 Nov 2021, 06:42
#11
26 Nov 2021, 06:42#11
Translation? SA Rugby said “Harrassie, you’ve already made yourself and us look like complete dickheads. Now pull your head in and take your punishment like a man!”. Any comment Hasbeeno on him being exonerated on appeal?? Is it now coincidence I read today that Ausfailure are being favoured for RWC 2027 with SA not mentioned???…
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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
26 Nov 2021, 06:44
#12
26 Nov 2021, 06:44#12

Either immediately after the Lions series or just a week later than they made the verdict known ...don't tell me you see absolutely nothing wrong with the timing.

DA
Devil's AdvocatePro7,008 posts
26 Nov 2021, 08:05
#13
26 Nov 2021, 08:05#13

"almost seemed deliberate"

You are being too polite...….it was deliberate.... they had so many options and opportunities to do it later... why not?

"Am curious, when would of been a good time?"

5 minutes after the final whistle, of the last rugby game of the EOYT ….. or, anytime after the Springboks final game.....

Anybody and their aunty would know that it would be incredibly disruptive or distracting right before your final game.... after waiting 3 - 4 months for the entire process to unfold…... a few extra days would really not make any difference.... and to be honest, I am trying to fathom why more people don't see anything wrong with the timing of it  

MP
MpowerPro5,061 posts
26 Nov 2021, 11:04
#14
26 Nov 2021, 11:04#14
Oh my goodness all of this drama was for nothing.... just shows he was wrong from the beginning...what a joke.
DA
Devil's AdvocatePro7,008 posts
26 Nov 2021, 11:30
#15
26 Nov 2021, 11:30#15

"Oh my goodness all of this drama was for nothing.... just shows he was wrong from the beginning...what a joke."

The joke is on you unfortunately.... 

Irrespective of what you may think of Rassie the person, and what he has done, absolutely nobody can dispute the fact that ref decisions have been put under the spotlight and have improved, since this whole issue became public.

Have the officials got it right..... no...…. will they...… who knows, I hope so...…. but all teams have benefitted from what has happened here with Rassie, and to deny that is just being ignorant in the extreme.

I don't like or agree with everything surrounding this whole shit fest that happened with Rassie, but if what Rassie did, means that the paying public, and teams travelling thousands of km's around the world, spending millions...... to play these games.. get a more equal and fair contest, then I am definitely all for it.

It seriously baffles me how some people are just so complacent with accepting some of these ref performances, without any action being taken....at all

DA
Devil's AdvocatePro7,008 posts
26 Nov 2021, 11:33
#16
26 Nov 2021, 11:33#16

Mpower, do you agree with WR releasing the result of Rassie's hearing right before the SA vs ENG game?

MP
MpowerPro5,061 posts
26 Nov 2021, 12:28
#17
26 Nov 2021, 12:28#17
No that was unnecessary and maybe even deliberately done.....it just makes me upset all this negativity around this story...given our past, present problems it would have been better to have done this more discreetly that’s all. Mostly because I like rassie, it’s disappointing...but ok shit happens all the time, and I now hope we can gather, work on our skills and backline mojo. Then travel, beat Oz and NZ in their backyard and then a clean sweep EOYT and we will be set to defend our WC title 2023.
DA
Devil's AdvocatePro7,008 posts
26 Nov 2021, 12:53
#18
26 Nov 2021, 12:53#18

Sounds good to me

MP
MpowerPro5,061 posts
26 Nov 2021, 12:53
#19
26 Nov 2021, 12:53#19
And Nienaber should not be the head coach. He must go back to his main position as defence coach....that is what he is best at. Rassie must resign his position as director of SA Rugby and be head coach again. Either John Smit or Gert smal must take that job. Then Swys de Bruin must come back as head Attack/Backline coach. Stick can be his assistant. Not that I have anything against him, but on his own it is evident that backline is not going anywhere. The structure as it is know will not bring us glory at WC 2023. My opinion.
MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
26 Nov 2021, 17:01
#20
26 Nov 2021, 17:01#20

I’m sure the announcement’s timing had nothing to do with the English test. Any investigation these days takes 6 months or more, many take years. This one was layered with process. There was plenty of pressure from the NH press to get it done and find Harrassmiss guilty.

My guess is the verdict was rendered and then immediately announced for two reasons. Firstly the possibility of a leak which would have made the announcement more awkward. Secondly the potential criticism of Erasmus coaching after they had found him guilty….especially given his  provocative water boy routine.

At the end of the day this was always going to end this way. Just as Quintin’s kneelgate was always going down the tubes. Sponsors require predictability and they are the money that makes this whole thing work. WR will respond to that and they have control of all the levers. 

At the end of the day this has probably made referees a bit more wary. So there is more lawyering. I doubt the decisions are much if any better….it certainly is more tedious. There certainly is more on field arguing by players, particularly the Boks.

The reffing issue in rugby stems from rugby’s rules eg of the break down, that is at the heart of the game. Do we now decide rolling away, the ruck being formed, reaching beyond the ball, entering from the side etc, etc aren’t necessary. These rules are there to promote attacking rugby.

But they are fraught with uncertainty….judgement calls people often can’t  agree about, even with the benefit of slow/mo hindsight. 600 calls and non calls a game, in motion, with obstructed vision. It’s never going to get much better… having player’s wear sensors might help some calls….but is that rugby?

There were some bad apples out there….I don’t think Berry was one. And now that he has capitulated all Harrassmiss has accomplished is to make it much harder for him to legitimately question the referees after matches.

ST
Stavanger1Pro4,532 posts
26 Nov 2021, 18:18
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26 Nov 2021, 18:18#21

Either immediately after the Lions series or just a week later than they made the verdict known...don't tell me you see absolutely nothing wrong with the timing.

So basically you wanted the ban to occur during time periods where South Africa wasn't due to play any rugby. Wouldn't that have made the ban pointless?

DB
DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
27 Nov 2021, 07:17
#22
27 Nov 2021, 07:17#22

It's effectively a 10 month ban, so no, it would not have been pointless at all. Anny sanction's aim should be corrective...in this case it seems to be vindictive. 

'would have been better to have done this more discreetly"

Discreetly has been tried ad nauseum with no avail...the hornets' nest needed a kickin.

PL
PlumCaptain21,007 posts
27 Nov 2021, 09:31
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27 Nov 2021, 09:31#23
Yeah…my interest in rugby is seriously fading. WR seem adamant that they should decide who wins games and if you have a problem with it then it’s your problem. Here’s some TA of the Australia v Wales game. You decide if it’s bias or incompetence… (Apologies but IPhone doesn’t allow me to URL he video) Www.youtube.com/watch?v=0DG-xOktJrg
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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
27 Nov 2021, 17:14
#24
27 Nov 2021, 17:14#24

"Stick with Moz"!!!!! Given your disgusting behavior on this forum regarding Rassie and the whole Covid BS you are about the last person I would stick with.

The crooked IRB have obviously applied immense pressure to sweep everything under the carpet. How many coaches will be now be willing to speak out about incompetent/crooked reffing that has been going on for years.

This is a tragedy for rugby.  It reminds me of the Covid disaster where anybody providing evidence that the official narrative is wrong gets silenced. Its the same spirit of fascism at play. 

No wonder they didn't want this to be a public hearing. Everything is done in secret and refs get away with murder. For some weird reason they are well neigh untouchable.

Bye the way, in case I missed it, was any evidence provided showing Rassie leaked the tape?  





BE
Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
27 Nov 2021, 17:23
#25
27 Nov 2021, 17:23#25

All Moz has proved is my point. There is unreasonable incompetence amongst refs and so bad at times it leaves one with only one conclusion. Refs are also cheating.

When a ref makes somewhere between 23 and 26 bad calls against one side (eg Berry) you know he is a cheat. If he makes the same amount of bad calls against the other side as well you would conclude he is grossly incompetent.

What you don' t do is try to nail those blowing the whistle and let the culprit, the incompetent/crooked ref off.

The despicable moz is thrilled they nailed Rassie in a dubious hearing. The guy has been perversely obsessed with Rassie from day one. 

MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
27 Nov 2021, 17:32
#26
27 Nov 2021, 17:32#26

You really have become an hilarious nutter HasBeen. But I never take clowns seriously. The incredible thing is I am hardly distanced from the Trump position on vaccines…but you choose to ignore that inconvenient fact while sailing under the Trump image

As for Harrassmiss  he has behaved like a spoiled kid, a rank amateur. And now he looks like a fool…told you so, but you thought it was all brilliant. Turned out it was just an emotional indulgence with no forethought.

BE
Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
27 Nov 2021, 22:29
#27
27 Nov 2021, 22:29#27

Your Rassie rants were always 100% predictable given your unchanging unhinged approach. Your record is there for all to see and you fool nobody. Regardless of anything that happened Rassie was no good.

In trying to destroy Rassie you became an unhinged propagandist with scant regard for the truth.

You hate Rassie because the success he achieved showed you up big time. Boks like Du Toit and Allende also showed how deranged you takes were.

Trump's one mistake was to support the vaxx but he has always maintained they should not be forced on anybody.  You say Trump wont be able to win showing you are a Uniparty Globalist an establishment scumbag. You say stop whining about the massive election fraud and move on. Again ignoring all the evidence and behaving like a typical Uniparty Rino Globalist. 

You have been shown overwhelming evidence of the dangers of these deadly vaxx but tell the board they are safe, that Big Pharma are not making big profits. Every bit of evidence is disregarded or ignored. 

I no longer have any time for you. You are a deceiver, a spin merchant. It is precisely people of your ilk that allowed Biden to get into the White House when he should be in jail. All to advance you Globalist world government tyranny and the culling of the herd.

Away with mozzzzzz a scoundrel of note!




MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
27 Nov 2021, 23:20
#28
27 Nov 2021, 23:20#28

So I was wrong saying the Harrassmiss tape was going nowhere, that the chicken run was going to hurt our rugby, that the De Kock kneelgate was just going to end in embarrassment, that Trump lost the presidency in the Covid briefings and first debate, that the fraud investigations were going to change nothing and that Barr (Rino of note) achieved more to embarrass the lunatic Left by giving Special Counsel status to Durham than all the ultra right goofballs you believe?

Play to win! Stick with moz.

DB
DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
28 Nov 2021, 15:36
#29
28 Nov 2021, 15:36#29

"According to Rapport, the tension the case had placed on Erasmus and his family was a key factor in withdrawing the appeal, opting rather to allow the matter to be closed.

Other factors are that Erasmus did not have to apologise personally to referee Nic Berry, who was at the centre of the officiating controversy following the first Test against the British & Irish Lions."


MP
MpowerPro5,061 posts
28 Nov 2021, 17:03
#30
28 Nov 2021, 17:03#30
If not Berry, Who did he apologise to then? So many things are being said, what/who to believe is the obvious question...I can believe the stress part on his fam...caused a great stir here on R Forum, can’t even imagine what it must be like for fam.
AJ
AJHPro3,183 posts
28 Nov 2021, 17:45
#31
28 Nov 2021, 17:45#31

Agree that Rassie should revert to his former position as Manager/Coach.

But we need a backline coach who understands the game and can inject some life into the backline.

The suggestion of getting John Smit involved is a no, no.

A great captain he was but he totally destroyed the Sharks when he took control as Director(?) or whatever the position was called at the time.

I would rather suggest the former Bok captain GT in that position.




MP
MpowerPro5,061 posts
28 Nov 2021, 17:54
#32
28 Nov 2021, 17:54#32
Gary is also not a bad pick.
MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
28 Nov 2021, 18:10
#33
28 Nov 2021, 18:10#33

The Aussies are technically very good with angles, double wings…..hitting the ball at pace. I would look there first. But if nothing is forthcoming Jean de Villiers would add a lot of nous to our backline play. And he knows the strengths and weaknesses of most of the players.

Harrassmiss/Nienaber & co clearly need help.


But we need some clarity in the Master Blaster set up. Who is really in charge….who is responsible for results. Who dictates tactics on the day.


Harrassmiss is diminished by this whole Berrygate business, perhaps he should distance himself from the team. The Boks best rugby this year was the two week stint against the ABs, when Nienaber was flying solo. He proved he could turn the Boks around after the  Aussie debacle. And his tactical adjustments in the second AB test were reminiscent of our WC final.

The YE tour confused things again…Nienaber has been a model of quiet dignity…I’d vote for him as Master.


MP
MpowerPro5,061 posts
28 Nov 2021, 19:39
#34
28 Nov 2021, 19:39#34
Not really sure about Nienaber as head coach but time will tell. The head coach job, makes him loose his defence mojo. Has Jean coached before? Would like to see him give it a go. What about swys?
MP
MpowerPro5,061 posts
28 Nov 2021, 23:23
#35
28 Nov 2021, 23:23#35
Carlos spencer is also a option...he is not with hurricanes anymore and if I am not mistaken he is with EP Kings? He did a good job at the lions.
MP
MpowerPro5,061 posts
29 Nov 2021, 02:10
#36
29 Nov 2021, 02:10#36
Rassie is busy making documentary with supersport, where he will be allowed to share his part of the story.
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