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Real Greats in Rugby Starts being Great when they are young

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
22 Apr 2020, 19:55
#41
22 Apr 2020, 19:55#41

What a farce - most of the forwards did not have the ability or even foresight to make that kind of pass after  drawing in defenders or causing them to hesitate when Du Toit ,made the pass putting Kolbe into space.    The reaction of the English defenders was slowed down and even Farrell was too late in his tackle attempt on Kolbe.

Anyway there are other highlight  packages that indiucate that top class pa ssing and off-loads is art of the Du Toit skills set.   

Another Mozart wild statement bites the dust,       

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AugenöffnerPro6,974 posts
22 Apr 2020, 20:21
#42
22 Apr 2020, 20:21#42

You say draw, but E15 made no attempt to tackle anyone but Steph. Hence, there was no draw. Look, he made the pass, he played his role, but to make him the focal point when Marx was the disruptor to loosen possession, and Am secured that loose possession and Kolbe had a ton of work to do? Well, it's just dishonesty at its very worst. 

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AugenöffnerPro6,974 posts
22 Apr 2020, 20:22
#43
22 Apr 2020, 20:22#43

Actually, every player on the field is expected to make a simple short lateral pass - actually, in the modern game all players from 1-16 are expected to be able to execute 2 and 3 man plays on the fly. Did you know that? If you wanted to say that Steph played his part in the try, I'd say fine. But to make him the focal point of the entire movement? No. To go even further an exclaim that he is particularly known for being 

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
22 Apr 2020, 22:13
#44
22 Apr 2020, 22:13#44

Bog ordinary pass....we made those passes in U11 rugby.

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
22 Apr 2020, 22:18
#45
22 Apr 2020, 22:18#45

Did not make him a focal point at all.  I just pointed out that you were and in fact still are talking KAK about the issue of ball skills of Du Toit .  .

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
22 Apr 2020, 23:32
#46
22 Apr 2020, 23:32#46

It’s impossible to talk about the ball  kills of Dud Toit....but one could talk for a while about his lack of ball skills. Which explains his penchant for always falling over with the first tackle and dying with the ball.

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
22 Apr 2020, 23:40
#47
22 Apr 2020, 23:40#47

4 runs for 2 metres/2 passes .....against England.

3 runs for 5 metres/zero passes....against Wales

6 runs for 5 metres/ 1 pass  against Japan.


On average Dud ran 4 times a game for an average gain of less than one metre......and on average made 1 pass a game.


And this utter mediocrity is totally missed by the Fake media.


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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
23 Apr 2020, 02:07
#48
23 Apr 2020, 02:07#48

Mozart

Piss poor effort by the most biased idiot ever,  The fool is obviously thinking that he knows more about rugby then the 8 Experts who decided to make Du Toit the Player of the Year in 2019. 

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AugenöffnerPro6,974 posts
23 Apr 2020, 06:11
#49
23 Apr 2020, 06:11#49

There is no example of his skill. 1.7m per carry in Super Rugby 2019, a little over that through 2019 test season, and around that figure for 2018. Far, far less than the heavily criticized Schalk of 2015. This truly highlights how disgustingly biased and ignorant South Africans are. Apparently, intellect is lacking in the country with one of the worst education systems on earth. 

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
23 Apr 2020, 07:06
#50
23 Apr 2020, 07:06#50

No I think I’m less politically obligated than fake news.

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
23 Apr 2020, 10:16
#51
23 Apr 2020, 10:16#51

In rugby Mozart and AO are the top fake news BSters on site.  Self-opinionated twits beyond limit who will fight reality all the way and creating fake descriptions about what happened during games.  .   

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
23 Apr 2020, 16:37
#52
23 Apr 2020, 16:37#52

Actually it’s worse than I thought.....in those 13 runs.....he turned the ball over twice.

So Dud’s attacking contribution was a negative. A turnover is worth a 25 metre kick into touch, you can always cede a turnover and gain that kind of ground. Two turnovers are worth 50 metres.


That means Dud gained a whopping 12 metres and conceded 50 metres. Thirteen runs for a negative 38 metres. Normally we would have expected a positive 30 metres from 13 runs.


That means Dud cost us almost 70 metres as a runner. It’s amazing we won the WC with that kind of assigned ball carrier.

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
23 Apr 2020, 17:32
#53
23 Apr 2020, 17:32#53

Actually your misleading lunacy is worse than I expected/  Here are the fukk stats of De Allende for the final:-

Balls passed            -    6

Balls  carried           -   12

Meters gained         -   56

Line Breaks            -      1

Defenders beaten    -      1

Turnovers conceded -    0

Tackles made           -     7

Tackles missed        -      2

Penalties conceded  -      0

That was a major contribution of De Allende to the  WC win.

The problem is that one has a constant battle against bias and idiocy in dealing with Mozart on rugby issues,    Unfortunately lies are the main thing he and AO thrives on,    

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AugenöffnerPro6,974 posts
23 Apr 2020, 18:48
#54
23 Apr 2020, 18:48#54

What were his contributions? You said he had major contributions, tell me what they were. 

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
23 Apr 2020, 19:43
#55
23 Apr 2020, 19:43#55

Ah but let’s examine Dud Allende in the other games. 24 metres for 3 turnovers against Japan.....a negative 51 metres. 44 metres for zero turnovers against Wales. So including the 56 metres against the Poms, Dud Allende’s territory contribution is a total of 49 metres in 3 games.


Add that 49 metres to Dud Toit’s negative 38 metres and our two prime ball carriers, forward and back, made 11 positive metres between them......less than 4 metres per game , let alone 4 metres per carry!!!!

It’s hard to believe with those numbers we won the WC.

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
23 Apr 2020, 21:23
#56
23 Apr 2020, 21:23#56

Happy BS day to the two Biased Idiots,

In that near disaster against Wales did De Allende not score the crucial only try for the Springboks?   No further hysteria will negate that fact, please.   The way you two try and discredit players is in the Handbook for Habitual Liars, not so,       

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AugenöffnerPro6,974 posts
23 Apr 2020, 23:45
#57
23 Apr 2020, 23:45#57

He scored a try. But it's just a shame that he needs an open door to be a threat. If you truly were a Mike of the genus Clever, you'd have been too cautious to reference that try. You are too shortsighted and trap yourself. Sort of like Steph when he rushes. 

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
23 Apr 2020, 23:53
#58
23 Apr 2020, 23:53#58

Mozart

By the way I have always known you as using selective stats when trying to praise your favourite players and demean those you do not favour.   However, the above takes the cake,  First of all you lied about the number of ball losses against Japan - there were 2 not 3,   However, you then dream up that each loss of 17 meter reduction for actual ball carries.   What is worse was the issue fo how the kisses occurred is not mentioned and is then distorted afterwards,   .     .

In traffic De Allende is normally tackled by two or even three defenders he is very hard to briong down.   In both cases in the Japan there were two tacklers involved and one of them managed to wrestle the ball free,  The move went no further and was followed by a scrum.    

Anyway,  I have never seen a distortion as you tried above - to call it fraudulent is a mild term.  It is not nice to try that kind of dishonesty on this site, since it discredit you are discrediting yourself,        

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
23 Apr 2020, 23:55
#59
23 Apr 2020, 23:55#59
Dud had the ball, thought about passing....but was confused, wasn’t sure if he should. Then Biggar made an uncommitted tackle/strip attempt. Dud felt contact, switched into donkey low gear and started tractoring. Biggar fell on his arse and Dud was in for a try.
A prop forward’s try.
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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
24 Apr 2020, 00:00
#60
24 Apr 2020, 00:00#60

Wanker, Wanker, Wanker, Wanker, Wanker.....when will you accept that when you think I’m lying you are actually cocking up. The stats from the Japanese game are provided below.


Right there you have it under TC...turnovers conceded......Dud lost the ball three times. And yes a turnover is worth 25 metres...because a simple rolling stab kick into touch would return possession, but gain 25 metres.


Embarrassing Tokkie.

SATCTMTLWW RouxFB4410C KolbeW11210L AmC1900D AllendeC31710




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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
24 Apr 2020, 01:21
#61
24 Apr 2020, 01:21#61

That is f#cking madness =  you are a fraudster as well.  Who determined the 25 meters BSter? 

Based on What?    

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
24 Apr 2020, 06:18
#62
24 Apr 2020, 06:18#62

So no apology for accusing me of lying and then being proven wrong again. Your manners leave something to be desired.

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
24 Apr 2020, 08:08
#63
24 Apr 2020, 08:08#63

No - if I were you I would be ashamed of myself.  And you did not answer even a basic question - to me that is why you are a fraud,

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MoonroverPro1,973 posts
26 Apr 2020, 10:27
#64
26 Apr 2020, 10:27#64

There are exceptions such as Andre Joubert who started only at varsity.These days it'll be tougher though as body conditioning to absorb those hundreds of knocks needs to start earlier in life.


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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
26 Apr 2020, 11:08
#65
26 Apr 2020, 11:08#65

I think that is why rugby is such a hard game for especially professional players.  The knocks the body take are tremendous,   The problem is that professional  players to start too early are normally suffering a large number of injuries - especially if they are young .  Some of the youngsters peter out early - partly because of injury or slowing down in their capacity to play - for instance Frans Steyn and  JP Pietersen lost performance ability soon - Steyn by the time he was 24 and Pietersen by the time he was 27.   

Du Toit had a long list of injuries as well - especially when he was 22 to 24 years of age, but he was rarely injured seriously since then bar for the latest combustion problem.   Other youngsters who suffered serious injuries on a constant basis was Goosen and Lambie.   Pollard also was not free from injuries as was evident in 2016 and 2017.

The other problem people do not realize is that age 30 - the hard knocks the body has taken  through rugby takes its toll and the performances deteriorated,  I have really never seen elderly players over 33 not spoiling there performance reputation by staying on - they become a total drawback for any team after that age,   Like Vermeulen in 2018 they try and limit the tests they play in.to save themselves for tests in the WC year, but does it work?   In rare exceptions yes - but the AB elderly - eg Reid and Coles - did not really make a contribution and was overshadowed by the younger opponents and even team mates.   That perhaps contributed to their loss against England.   

Realizing the above I agree with you that players should start young and learn the game - but to bring them  into  the professional game  too early is really unwise - while expecting miracles from players over 30 is really not reasonable and logical.    

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