MOMozart
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MOMozartCaptain49,914 posts
28 Oct 2018, 17:44#5
Tragic event making the news here in the US....despite what the stats say these copters are dicey.
One summer I made many helicopter trips in Greece....over the Pindus and other Greek mountain ranges. The pilot was an ex Greek aerobatics pilot and the co pilot was the owner's brother who was learning to fly. Scary, hot, bouncy, loud.......who needs helicopters except air/sea rescue.
sharkbok
Captain23,234 posts
sharkbokCaptain23,234 posts
28 Oct 2018, 18:09#6
This should go in the football section, and those interested can comment in it.
If Vichai deserves our condolences, there are many other people in the world that can also have RIP tributes. Unfortunate for Vichai, but their are lots of other people that are equally deserving of RIP condolances
MOMozart
Captain49,914 posts
MOMozartCaptain49,914 posts
28 Oct 2018, 18:19#7
Painful smallness.....what about Mike's garden, what about Moto GP?
MOMozart
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MOMozartCaptain49,914 posts
28 Oct 2018, 19:06#10
Plastic posters try to enforce petty rules to make themselves feel bigger.
Enforce this:
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sharkbok
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Oct 22, 2018, 14:37
I don't have time for house cleaning or gardening. I have a cleaner that cleans my house, and my garden takes care of itself- as it only in summer it grows.
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sharkbok
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sharkbokCaptain23,234 posts
28 Oct 2018, 19:24#12
The post-Clevermike made was in reference to disputes on the "rugby" board, and was a better attempt than a superficial RIP to a famous person. The permanent Liar Mike threads seem childish, school kid stuff.
Not sure what Humanism ideology has to do with this.
28 Oct 2018, 21:08#14
Well said. Especially if you bear in mind that the helicopter pilot apparently managed to crash the chopper away from homes and other buildings, potentially saving hundreds of lives.
Leicester pilot brought down helicopter away from homes and buildings.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6325791/Leicester-pilot-brought-helicopter-away-homes-buildings.html
MOMozart
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MOMozartCaptain49,914 posts
28 Oct 2018, 21:34#15
Well said sir....a breath of decent old school. Thanks.
sharkbok
Captain23,234 posts
sharkbokCaptain23,234 posts
28 Oct 2018, 22:02#16
To be honest I have never heard of Vichai, before I read this post. So I genuinely did not feel any remorse when I first read this post. It just seemed like a random post.
We have kids starving to death on a daily basis, it is part of life.
Sure if a poster from RuckerForum died, or it was someone we all knew then yes it would be a much bigger deal to us all. Would Hollywood or the international jet-setters give the time of day to us, or to kids starving?
Perhaps we should have a section for RIP for famous people. Otherwise, where do we draw the line- do we have a RIP post each day for someone famous? Do we celebrate every historical day around the world?
Now that I am reading a bit more about the story- I can understand and identify with it a bit more. However, when I first read this post it was just a random RIP of someone that is rich and famous that I have never heard of. I personally feel more concern about children starving to death than billionaires.
RORooinek
Captain18,117 posts
RORooinekCaptain18,117 posts
28 Oct 2018, 22:30#17
Actually I agree with Sharkbok, why is the death of Leicester FC owner Vichai Srivaddhanaprabha more noteworthy than the deaths of Stephen Hawking, Charles Azvanour, Winnie Mandela, Barbara Bush, Margot Kidder, Tom Wolfe, Philip Roth, Pik Botha, Aretha Franklin, John McCain, Neil Simon, Alan Ball, Kofi Annan, Montserrat Caballe, John van Reenen and Burt Reynolds who all died in the past few months?
Why are we mourning the death of a Thai billionnaire on the rugby site when we haven't bothered mentioning the deaths of great Springboks like Theuns Briers and Lood Muller?
No disrespect to Vichai but why is this oke getting such special treatment on here?
Sharkbok getting rapped over the knuckles for questioning a random obituary to one of literally millions of deaths in the last few months but no comment on Moffie posting a sequel to his disgusting "LiarMike" thread?
Perspective please!
MOMozart
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MOMozartCaptain49,914 posts
28 Oct 2018, 22:50#18
It's quite simple Startung.....hundreds of millions die every year, nobody is advocating every death is recognized on this Board.
But when some member is moved sufficiently by the circumstances of a particular death to make note of it here, decency dictates that the sentiment and the event are treated with respect.
Nothing more.
sharkbok
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sharkbokCaptain23,234 posts
28 Oct 2018, 23:00#19
Another take on this, is why was he allowed to fly a personal helicopter in an area with so many people. Airports are designed for this type of stuff, but football stadiums are not.
The VIP Box area would probably have its own car parking area- so he would not necessarily get stuck in traffic.
Seems like a bit of a kick in the teeth to the local fans, a billionaire buying a foreign football club and then flying over the fans to skip the traffic.
RORooinek
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RORooinekCaptain18,117 posts
28 Oct 2018, 23:06#21
"I know quite a few people who have interacted with McCain, let's just say there wasn't a lot of enthusiasm."
Stin king hypocrite!
MOMozart
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MOMozartCaptain49,914 posts
28 Oct 2018, 23:34#25
Oh yes the thread where you thought Dore was a right wing activist.....and you posted a visual saying McCain didn't want any Trumps at his funeral? That thread....hahaha.
John McCain made his death an anti Trump event and his last political act. As such he invited comment, it was one of the most vindictive political acts in recent memory.
And I can see Shark you were never about any remorse....'another take' ...all you wanted was moral support to resume your attack.
MOMozart
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MOMozartCaptain49,914 posts
28 Oct 2018, 23:37#26
Not by all accounts Wardad....only by the accounts of those who didn't know him or didn't profit from pretending they liked him.
MOMozart
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MOMozartCaptain49,914 posts
29 Oct 2018, 00:58#27
So here's Urinal's response to the RIP John McCain thread....3rd post in the thread. Look for all the decent sentiments about McCain.
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Koos Kombuis
Squad member
409 posts
Aug 26, 2018, 11:24
"He might be doing some good things for America but the man himself is a sack of shit"
You need to look a bit deeper than the fake news that the Trumpanzees love to spout regarding the US economy.
Bozo's trade wars have been good for manufacturing and the GDP in the short term but it's not sustainable. Bozo doesn't give a rats ass about the economy in the longer term as long as he looks good in the short term.
The upswing in the US economy actually started during Obama's presidency but it's no surprise to see Bozo trying to take all the credit. For example unemployment numbers dropped for 7 consecutive years during Obama's presidency and now that the trend has continued for a single year of Bozo's term, he and the Trumpanzees are trying to pretend it's all due to him.
Bozo's tax cuts are great if you're a wealthy American but if you're poor (or a soybean farmer) then the future looks bleaker than ever. The US deficit is now over $1 trillion but again, Bozo doesn't give a damn about that, that's something for the next guy to fix.
I suspect history will show Bozo to be the biggest economic disaster since the Great Depression. It's not just that he doesn't have a clue about economics, he isn't learning anything because he thinks he's a genius.
.......
Didn't see anything about McCain just a bunch of gratuitous attacks on Trump? Yep, that's what I saw....just another opportunity to attack Trump. There my friends you have the face of hypocrisy.
John McCain made his death a political act......it was his choice. He excluded the President from a national event. Those who dislike Trump loved it....the rest of the country had the right to criticize it and the motives that lie behind it
RORooinek
Captain18,117 posts
RORooinekCaptain18,117 posts
29 Oct 2018, 07:13#28
This from the stinking hypocrite:
"But when some member is moved sufficiently by the circumstances of a particular death to make note of it here, decency dictates that the sentiment and the event are treated with respect.
Nothing more."
Ummm . . . yes . . . unless it's someone that the stinking hypocrite doesn't like, in which case slag him off by all means.
Stinking hypocrite!
29 Oct 2018, 08:40#30
I think people need to define the difference between genuine sadness, something I am sure all of us have experienced at losing a loved one or even a beloved pet, and the inferred feeling of loss of someone famous or well known or important. I can genuinely sympathise with Vichai's family and friends, because I know the pain of personal loss, and my condolences go out to them, but to say I feel any sadness would be a lie.
I think that is the difference between the posters on this thread. They are blurring the lines between showing respect to a stranger that has passed on, and the genuine sadness of the loss of a loved one. That's all it is.
Another quick point, if someone was a bad person in life, their death does not exonerate them. My opinion of a person does not change on their passing. If they were good, in my eyes they remain good. If they were bad, they remain bad.
29 Oct 2018, 11:24#33
Fair comment Admin. It is the relative freedom with which we can comment here that makes this forum what it is. There is nothing worse than being over-moderated. Logical explanation above. Thanks for the background effort .
I know I sound like teachers pet, but credit where due.
RORooinek
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RORooinekCaptain18,117 posts
29 Oct 2018, 11:41#34
Okay Ed, I accept that the Trumpet is less moderated than this section and I'm glad that the behaviour on that thread is something you don't condone.
Let's all just agree that the posters who are demanding respect for this RIP post (for someone they'd never heard of before Saturday) while slagging off and bad-mouthing a different dead person on another RIP thread are stinking hypocrites.
MOMozart
Captain49,914 posts
MOMozartCaptain49,914 posts
29 Oct 2018, 16:59#35
Urinal you are a small man with a small point....but what else is new.
I totally buy into Bloo's logic...as humans we can't feel genuine sadness for every case. But we can feel for strangers. Last Christmas a dying young boy was on TV talking to Santa.....he finally said: 'please help me Santa'. The human trust in that statement was profoundly sad, moved me to tears.
Contrast what happened on this thread. None of us were probably affected emotionally by Vichai's death....but the circumstances were striking, and underlined the futility of much of our human experience. Auggie decided it was noteworthy enough to bend a few rules.....big deal.
This Board has been the best of all Boards over the last 18 years precisely because it isn't policed in a petty way....well done Ed.
Now on the McCain thread.....that thread from the off was about the politics of Trump and McCain. McCain's whole funeral was about the same thing. We are smart enough not to be confused by the supposed context.
This is another part of Bloo's post I agree with.....a person's death doesn't change who they were in life. And McCain's death never changed his spiteful nature, as he proved by making his funeral an anti Trump event, rather than a time for his family.
As civilized people we should try not to speak ill of the dead, unless they continue their vendettas from beyond the grave....as McCain did.
Nor should we be confused when a poster doesn't say one word about the dead person, but uses the death to attack somebody they don't like. Everything that follows is shaped by that subject matter abuse.
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MOMozart
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MOMozartCaptain49,914 posts
29 Oct 2018, 21:28#39
A field of flowers at the crash scene, it seems Vichai was well appreciated by Leicester fans.
