Rugby Australia is set to sack Folau

https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/australia/rugby-australia-set-to-sack-israel-folau-for-anti-gay-social-media-post/ar-BBVPGPE?ocid=spartanntp

What happened to free speech.....anyone? 

Or has it more to do with the CEO of Qantas being a homosexual.

The Wallabies' major sponsor has condemned Israel Folau's latest social media outburst and is awaiting Rugby Australia's review into the controversy.

RA's integrity unit is investigating after Folau took to Instagram to proclaim hell awaits "drunks, homosexuals, adulterers, liars, fornicators, thieves, atheists and idolaters".

The three-times John Eales Medallist as the Wallabies' player of the year faces sanctioning - and possibly even having his multi-million-dollar four-year contract torn up - after the governing body condemned his posts as "unacceptable".

"It does not represent the values of the sport and is disrespectful to members of the rugby community," RA said of Folau's abrasive stance.

Qantas, who threatened to pull their sponsorship with the Wallabies last year following a series of similarly provocative posts from Folau, echoed the disappointment of RA and NSW Rugby.

"These comments are really disappointing and clearly don't reflect the spirit of inclusion and diversity that we support," a Qantas statement to AAP said.

"We are pleased to see Rugby Australia's condemnation of the comments and will await the outcome of their review."

Bullshit.

He should be able to say what he wants and when he wants. He is not calling for violence against anyone. He is not forced to accept homosexuality, nobody is, and EVERYONE has their views AND the right to express them.

I don't agree with him, not in the slightest, but the bigger of the two evils is by far the censorship of free speech.

Freedom of speech - Wikipedia

As an Atheist I would like to object with us being included with all those christian activities he has listed 

Yes ... I think the poof at Quantas played a big role in Folau's censorship.

Why wouldn't he? He's openly gay ... and proud to be a poepol naaier!!

It's tragic.

Well ... I hope Folau's allowed to explore other options abroad. It would be sad to lose him altogether.

Convictions are hard and they make people upset and you'll never be popular, but that's the cost...you cannot serve God and mammon and the Christ never promised a cushy ride...people pleasers are wishy washy...no spine, no back bone.

All Black Michael Jones was a Christian who refused to play on a Sunday and although I don't go along with that because the sabbath obedience is not required since Jesus liberated us from the Jewish law, but I respect him for his stand.

Patrick Lambie is a true Christian and Beast, that I know for sure...others that appear to be are Francois Pienaar, Andre Venter, Bakkies Botha, Bryan Habana and the late Ruben Kruger, Balie Swart, Keegan Daniel, Joost V D Westhuizen (backslide but came back) and many others like Henry Honibal...all the tough guys that disproves Saffex's false accusation that Christians are weak....hahahahahaha.

Folau is saying what we all already know....."Few will enter the kingdom of God".....trou ble is I've booked with Qantas...

@ shark

So you believe in the devil? 

"Moz owns a sports car. Every time he talks about it, i am reminded of what an abject failure i am. The pain that it causes me is greater than the pain anyone could cause me with violence. It is now at a point where if i hear him talk about it just one more time, i am likely to take my own life. 

Why can't he stop talking about it? Doesn't he know how much anguish he is causing me? Doesn't he realise how deeply his words are affecting my psyche and my ability to function?

I have told him how much it affects me, yet he continues. He is therefore actively bullying me and is complicit in trying to cause me to top myself. 

He never addresses me personally in regards to his car, but his general statements about it feel personal to me. It is pure torture and i can' t endure it any longer.

You might think i'm being ridiculous but the truth is that you are not able to perceive my life and my emotions the way that i am. In other words, your opinion doesn't matter. This is about me. My feelings and my life.

Just promise me that he will go to jail when i eventually kill myself because he was successful enough to buy himself a sweet ride.

Say you promise!"

"These comments are really disappointing and clearly don't reflect the spirit of inclusion and diversity that we support

Under the false claim that diversity is strength, the globalist promote open borders as a key policy in their agenda to destroy nation states and their peoples by population replacement.

Under the great sounding advocacy of inclusion the globalist want to abolish morality so homosexuality, lesbianism, Transgenderism and pedophilia must be accepted. Teach them young of course.

Now these Globalist elites control the the MSM and advocate for all these things. But to their horror social media become a voice for the people. Low and behold this lead to the election of Trump! Also it lead to Brexit and the BBC etc could not control the narrative. So now at this moment in the Senate the big tech companies are being questioned about their far left Globalist bias. Ted Cruz gave an outstanding speech suggesting 3 ways of how Google, Facebook and Twitter can be dealt with.

Amazingly there are repeated reports of free speech violations in Britain. Talking about the censoring of mainstream conservative views.

So congrats to Folau for standing up against the ever increasing perversions being forced on society by these globalist scumbags. The normalization of pedophilia is next oaks. Remember who warned you - its already happening.

Sharbokkie has to be amongst the most moronic posters here as his dismal record shows.

He is calling for God to send everyone to hell (not just homosexuals)- unless you are a reborn again Christian. So he is also damming you to hell - opines poor sharkbokkie

Folau is doing no such thing. All he is doing is drawing attention to what God has said. Be assured there will be a judgement and either you PAY for your own sins or you accept the pardon for your sins that Jesus won at enormous cost on the cross where He Himself was punished for our sins. The choice is yours. Nobody will force you to go to Heaven and spend eternity with God if you hate God and prefer Hell.

CC has graphically spelt out how disgusting homosexuality is. Amazing how powerful the Globalist brainwashing has been that the pervs here cant see how totally perverted it is or indeed how sick transgenderism is. 

"hate speech"

noun

abusive or threatening speech or writing that expresses prejudice against a particular group, especially on the basis of race, religion, or sexual orientation.

abusive

adjective

1.

extremely offensive and insulting.

"the goalkeeper was sent off for using abusive language"

synonyms: insulting, rude, vulgar, offensive, disparaging, belittling, derogatory, disrespectful, denigratory, uncomplimentary, pejorative, vituperative; More

2.

engaging in or characterized by habitual violence and cruelty.

"abusive parents"

synonyms: cruel, brutal, savage, inhuman, barbaric, barbarous, brutish, vicious, sadistic; More

Sharkbok as you thought Christ was crucified on Christmas day your appalling ignorance hardly gives you any standing to criticize the Bible. You are an ignorant joke!

The greatest minds this world has seen have not plummeted its depths. The Bible is the most incredible Book ever.

Looks like your avatar well represents you.

Apr 10, 2019, 22:37

"I really don't care what reborn Christians have to say. To me they are right up there as the most damaging people on the planet. Along the Muslims etc."

Are you not doing the same thing you perceive them to be doing? Generalizing, b eing judgemental and intolerant?

Not looking for trouble, just asking.

Congrats to Folau and to all who stand up against the progressive perversions they are trying to foist on society.

Note they said Folau's comment were hurtful to some in the rugby community obviously because these people were homos.

Well some oaks here also clearly have hurt feelings. How nasty has Beeno been and others too. Sob, Sob. We are not perverts we just like all those lovely things CC described!

Could all the hurt feeling homos please say who they are. Come out of the closet!!

As for me i am not ashamed to be a straight guy but seems you pervs are ashamed to be homos and rightly so!

Haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahahahahahahahaaaa ... !!!

Good one King. That totally cracked me up.

I can't see Australia sacking Folau. He's a dynamic player and they know it.

We'll see how far they take it. I just hope that Folau stands his ground. 

Poor old Sharky aka as Snark or Snarky, and other names that don't do his image any better than his avatar, identifies with his hero...he's a devil in disguise but sadly he's got the wrong image...not only does he get Christmas day mixed up with Easter but he thinks satan is horrible ugly red-faced creature with horns that runs around with forked prongs poking those he does not like ( maybe he thinks it's Peeper ) anyhow like the rooi jackaas he invariably gets it all wrong, just like his idol the previous president of America.

Actually Shark, you'll find my knowledge and understanding of common or civil law, constitutional law, the origins of present law from the Roman Empire in both Rome and Constantinople, is probably a great deal better than yours. If you like, we can discuss the Corpus Juris, i'm pretty well versed in how and why it was created. We can also discuss some Latin phrasing if you like? Res Nullius? Mes Rea? 

What you are missing is some fundamental legal knowledge. 

Start at causation. Something the Romans figured out about three thousand years ago.

Even heard of the term Adam and Eve causation? 

That's what i was alluding to above. It's a common maxim used every day. To the point where it's not debatable or discussed. It doesn't need to be, its very simple.

And if you actually read what i said, and understood it, you'd see that i was making a legal argument that cuts directly to the matter at hand. 

IE there is no real danger, there is no call to violence and there is no proof that his comments are intended to cause physical or even emotional harm. He is condemning a lifestyle based on his own interpretation of a religion. He is not even making a claim as to what he wants to happen(as far as i know). He is simply stating that he believes, based on his personal interpenetration of his faith, that a certain outcome will occur. 

And just to really drive it home for you. The bible itself says that sinners will not enter the kingdom of heaven unless certain conditions are met. This is preached in churches all over the world to millions of people and has a similar version in most monotheistic faiths. Always has done. Sure, that may be an appeal to tradition style of arguing, but that's besides the present point.

And here we now land on precedent. .

An individual makes a claim, based on a spiritual belief derived from a longstanding religion, that offends a specific group. In the court of Shark this action amounts to hate speech. Case closed. Hate speech confirmed. 

Get ready, you've just opened Pandora's fucking box.

Maybe that's what you want. For guys like you and I, that aren't Christians, to go around closing churches and suing pastors because they've offended us.

If you understood the law, then you'd know the size of the hole you just fell into.

Free speech. It's the only solution.

P uleeeeeez don't tell me we're seeing the birth/rise of Poofter Power!

Lol dude, did you turn to Google for help?

Please inform LexisNexus that their textbooks are false media.

Also, you might need to get most first year law students to retake their Origins of Law module based on this new evidence.

Qantas is refusing to give me a refund....

Plum, I would suggest you use Google yourself to check multiple sources. 

Google is better than basing your opinion on the Discovery Channel.

Also, I would let people who have studied law speak for themselves, as if they believe the origins of Democratic law are in Rome- they would not have made it through the first year. 

origins of democratic law

They won't give me a refund.....

Sue da bums Denny! 

Shark, are you aware of the difference between the democratic principle and the law?

Fine let me Google..."Origins of western law" Generic enough a search? Here's the result...

Western law refers to the legal traditions of Western culture. Western culture has an idea of the importance of law which has its roots in both Roman law and canon law. As Western culture has a Graeco-Roman Classical and Renaissance cultural influence, so does its legal systems.

Yes, there are democratic principles in the law, but democracy is not a self standing legal system. Just like bricks and river sand are not a house.

Here, I'll search "why Justinian's code(CJC) was important"....

Justinian's code was an organised collection and explanation of the Roman laws, it is important because it became the basis for legal systems of most modern european countries.

Haha, how do you know I didn't study law?

You made me Google. 

Sorry guys I'm just bloody horsing around, I can't take this thing seriously ....just saying there's no way I'm flying on a one-way ticket with a Poof CEO heading the trip to Hell. I demand a refund!

SB

I do not want to get into the discussion of religion - but it seems that you have a completely false history knowledge consisting of absolute tripe.

First of all the Greeks developed the concept of democracy - which they themselves condemn as a poor form of Government.   They have started some legal concepts, but it was not formulized  into a legal base - that was done by the Romans who took over most concepts forming the base of Greek teachings on issue.    There is no real Greek legal basis - the studies that let to most legal; concepts studied Roman Law and developed it further - eg the Roman Dutch Legal system that is still after 600 years a very sound legal system/

The Roman Empire  falling apart had nothing to do with Christianity at all.   In the main it fell apart with several invasions of the Roman Empire by what was called Babarians - which ultimately caused a collapse of the Western Roman Empire and the Turkish conquest of Asia Minor and ultimately Constantinople (today Istanbul) in 1452 - long after the Dark Age was past.  Try and read up a bit about the Vandals, the Visigoths, the Franks, the Lombards, the Ostrogoths and also the Huns.    

You must have an extremely bent mind to think that Christianity caused the downfall of the Western Roman Empire.    I am not defending Christianity - I am just pointing out another sphere were you write things you know nothing about.                

@Clevermike, Plato said Democratic law was not good, not all of the Greeks.  You just invent facts, so your arguments cant be taken seriously. 

WTF would the Greeks use democracy if no one thought it was good? They would have voted for another system.... This is basic stuff.

I know you are not a fan of democracy, but you are not a fan of socialism or communism either. Things are relative. Show me a system that is better than democracy.  

Living in Africa democracy is not great, but it is in other countries. The best economies measured by the average individual person wealth are democratic - and capitalist. 

The ancient Greeks (Graeco) invented both democracy and capitalism - so to say that modern law is not related to this is madness at worst, or ignorance at best. Capitalism is competition - and private ownership

Graeco-roman is the classical period before the dark ages. The renaissance was rebirth and getting away from the Catholic church. Much of the worlds knowledge is from the Ancients Greeks and Romans- bar the last few centuries. Most of this stuff was before Jesus, or all...

The renaissance was prompted by discovering lost records from the ancient Greeks and Romans (before Jesus).  The Christian Church probably burnt these to force their dogma on the world. 

When Christianity became popular in about 300AD, it was no long before everything went downhill- a bit like SA during the ANC era. The dark ages started around 500AD or before. (again a bit like the ANC). 

Of course, the law has developed further- particularly in corporate law and common law. However, the basic tenants are democratic . 

The glittering rugby career of Wallabies and Waratahs star Israel Folau has all but come to a screeching and sudden halt.

After yet another controversial and divisive social media post which stated homosexuals were destined for hell, Rugby Australia and the NSW Rugby Union have put the foot down and signalled their intent to terminate Folau’s multi-million dollar four-year contract.

Both organisations spent the 24 hours from Wednesday to Thursday evening trying to contact the Wallabies and Waratahs fullback to question him about another anti-gay post on Instagram that listed "homosexuals" as one of eight groups of people whom "hell awaits".

With no other choice and a tidal wave of criticism being thrown their way, RA and NSWRU released a statement on Thursday evening saying that barring unforseen circumstances, Folau would be sacked.

"In the absence of compelling mitigating factors, it is our intention to terminate his contract," said RA chief executive Raelene Castle and NSWRU boss Andrew Hore wrote in a joint statement. "Rugby Australia and the New South Wales Rugby Union have made repeated attempts to contact Israel both directly and via his representatives since 6.30pm on Wednesday, and at this point he has failed to communicate directly with either organisation.

"Whilst Israel is entitled to his religious beliefs, the way in which he has expressed these beliefs is inconsistent with the values of the sport. We want to make it clear that he does not speak for the game with his recent social media posts.

"Israel has failed to understand that the expectation of him as a Rugby Australia and NSW Waratahs employee is that he cannot share material on social media that condemns, vilifies or discriminates against people on the basis of their sexuality.

"Rugby is a sport that continuously works to unite people. We want everyone to feel safe and welcome in our game and no vilification based on race, gender, religion or sexuality is acceptable and no language that isolates, divides or insults people based on any of those factors can be tolerated.

"As a code we have made it clear to Israel formally and repeatedly that any social media posts or commentary that is in any way disrespectful to people because of their sexuality will result in disciplinary action."

Did you read about Adam and Eve causation Shark?

Allow me to demonstrate.

You are wrong, it was not the Greeks. And I was wrong too. See, the first time justice was served was probably around the dawn of man when one cave man punched another one for stealing his raw meat. 

That was the first justice and that is the origin of the law. That was what brought about the law as we know it today.

Forget everything else.

The Greeks are credited with  democracy. Rubbish. The first time a group of people made a decision together was the birth of democracy. Those random unknown people should be credited. They are the origin of democracy. 

Wait, why is that despite us knowing the Greeks were not the first people to make a group decision, we credit them regardless?

Let's see. Could it be because they made it official and practiced it as part of government?

The punctuation is the CJC. 

That was the code that it was all based on. That was what made building a legal system possible.

Do you actually know anything about this stuff? Or are you just shooting the shit?

I get the feeling you're trolling.