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Rugby: Who should replace Milner-Skudder in black?; NZ Herald

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JW
Just_winCaptain18,570 posts
16 Mar 2016, 08:06
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16 Mar 2016, 08:06#1

With Nehe Milner-Skudder's dislocated shoulder ruling him out for the rest of the Super Rugby season, the All Blacks' right wing will miss at least the June internationals against Wales. Our rugby writers weigh in on who should replace the Milner-Skudder in black.

Wynne Gray: Waisake Naholo

Like for like. The brilliant Nehe Milner-Skudder will miss the All Blacks series against Wales in June but with traditional healing methods this time, Waisake Naholo should be back from his broken leg.

He suffered another fracture in his right leg in the first round of Super Rugby but conservative estimates have him playing again in two months - enough time to get him back into full racing trim in the weeks leading into the three-test visit from Wales.

If Naholo does not scrub up then Cory Jane is another very experienced right wing who carries all the class needed for international combat.

Another option would be to use Rene Ranger, the former All Black who is back at the Blues and can play across the three-quarter line. His style fits the mix of workrate, defence and adventurous attack the All Black coaches want.

Suggestions Ben Smith should shift to the wing are off the mark. He is great there but even more value in his preferred fullback duties where the breadth of his work has left Israel Dagg's contributions in the shadows.

Kris Shannon: Damian McKenzie

The safe and sensible option for replacing Nehe Milner-Skudder is selecting one of a couple of viable right wing candidates already on the scene.

The unexpected and exciting alternative is taking the chance to blood one of the most in-form players in Super Rugby.

Damian McKenzie will eventually play for the All Blacks - his undoubted talent in two positions ensures that - and Milner-Skudder's misfortune creates an opportunity for his elevation to arrive sooner rather than later.

Perhaps not in the first test at Eden Park but, at some point in the Wales series, Ben Smith should shift back to the right wing and McKenzie should be given a chance to show his wares at fullback.

The 20-year-old has been the Chiefs' best back so far this season, sparking an attack among the best in the competition and forming with Aaron Cruden a two-headed play-making beast, with both taking turns at first receiver to puzzle opposition defences.

And if there's any doubting that form can be repeated on the international scene, given McKenzie's lack of Super Rugby experience, just consider the impact Milner-Skudder made after his maiden campaign.

Smith still has enough mileage and the legs and, certainly, enough ability to play fullback through to the next World Cup. But bringing McKenzie into the environment as early as possible would provide him with plenty of practise and provide Steve Hansen an electric option to cover both first five and fullback off the bench.

NZ Herald

JW
Just_winCaptain18,570 posts
16 Mar 2016, 08:16
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16 Mar 2016, 08:16#2
 Milner-Scudder is out of S18 boys so you better remove him from you fantasy rugby teams.
The choices to replace him are good. Cory Jane is safe but I am not sure he has it to produce shock & awe at test level any more. That Crusaders bloke (Isreal Dagg) could be a safe option - huge boot, safe under the high ball but we haven't see his ability to break the line much in recent years; Naholo still has unrealized potential he needs to be developed & must feel snake-bit with his injuries, he also lack confidence so he needs to be handled properly.
McKenzie has shock & awe but it's not like the ABs to throw him in the deep-end. He may get game time off the bench initially but at least should be brought into the squad.
Ranger is exciting but needs to show he can fit into the ABs scheme.
Plenty of options & the ABs will select the right ones. We will have to see how things develop between now & June. Plenty of time.

CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
16 Mar 2016, 09:16
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16 Mar 2016, 09:16#3
 I would move Ben Smith to the wing and play Damian McKenzie as full back.  Reason McKenzie can take the kicks at goal as well, while Cruden and Barrett are very frail under pressure.    
JW
Just_winCaptain18,570 posts
16 Mar 2016, 09:24
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16 Mar 2016, 09:24#4
 Cruden hasn't done much goal kicking at all since he returned from injury so for sure they have to see if he still has it. 
I doubt they would put McKenzie into the ABs as a starter right away, they usually bring players in to expose them to the culture, training & expectations. Plus throwing McKenzie into the ABs & also asking him to kick goals under the test match pressure is not the usual way the ABs coaches operate. 
We will see, I am just glad we have some decent choices.
SH
ShezzaPro2,471 posts
16 Mar 2016, 10:04
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16 Mar 2016, 10:04#5
 Lima Sopoaga I can potentially see as taking the flyhalf berth for the All Blacks, very all round with a good boot.
RO
RooinekCaptain18,117 posts
16 Mar 2016, 10:18
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16 Mar 2016, 10:18#6
"We will see, I am just glad we have some decent choices."

Problem for you guys is you're down to "decent" choices rather than world-class options.

Losing Milner-Skudder is a blow even if Waisake Naholo recovers in time. In Julian Savea (assuming he finds his best form again), Ben Smith, Waisake Naholo and Nehe Milner-Skudder you have 4 outside backs that any team in the world would kill for. Lose any one of them and suddenly you have relative plodders like Cory Jane or Zac Guidford to call on . . . or else you're trying to retread a centre like Rene Ranger or a fullback like Damian McKenzie as a wing.

Your wing stocks are fantastic but they're not bottomless!
JW
Just_winCaptain18,570 posts
16 Mar 2016, 10:20
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16 Mar 2016, 10:20#7
 You could be right Shezza; Sopoaga is a calm general with good all round 10 skills plus a good boot. Plus he is bigger than Cruden. Cruden is very courageous & a real winner but if he can't show his boot is working he may lose out. Barrett is very versitile (Cruden only plays 10) but Barrett is becoming the bench player of choice.
BR
BrycyPro4,671 posts
16 Mar 2016, 11:44
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16 Mar 2016, 11:44#8

...can't see losing NMS as much of a problem given how many outside backs we left behind that missed out on the RWC...


...and anyone remember who won the game for us in Samoa on the wing last year ?? - George Moala...who is currently in great form


...his Blues teammate Ranger has also played mainly on the wing in the past..


...but Naholo is most likely to get the nod for the next test..

then there's Barret who could play on the wing which would allow Sopoaga or Ranger to come onto the bench...


..so many options that the problem for Hansen is always who to leave out..



JW
Just_winCaptain18,570 posts
16 Mar 2016, 12:46
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16 Mar 2016, 12:46#9
After the RWC it is a transition year for all international teams. No guarantees the ABs will be on top - there never is - but I like what I see so far as the young players coming through to replace the legends who have left. Just looking at the outside backs it looks pretting good.
Rooi, I doubt Zac will be back in the ABs. Poor guy had his chances & blew it because of addiction problems. 
There are younger players coming through that the AB coaches will develop. Outside backs that are playing really well (not counting McKenzie)  include:
1. James Lowe2. Tevita Li3. Patrick Osbourne4. Lolagi Visinia
Plus, there are the retreads as Rooi calls them: Dagg, Jane, Ranger, etc.
Then if you consider the centers there are even more options.
This will be an exciting year for the Internationals as there are more unknowns. Last year to me the big question was if the legands could be managed properly so they could be at their peak in the RWC. The answer was yes. This year it is who will the emerging players be & can they be well integrated. We will see.
AB
ABasquefanPro2,549 posts
16 Mar 2016, 15:28
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16 Mar 2016, 15:28#10
 From all the outside backs mentioned above, the world class and proven test players (apart from NMS) are:

-Ben Smith
-Julian Savea
-W. Naholo
-Israel Dagg
-Rene Ranger (if he re gains his past form and he seems in the way)

I don't include Cory Jane coz he's 33 and his test career is IMO over.
To this list I would add as possible future choices Tevita Li and Damian McKenzie. Moala could play also at wing if needed but he's a 12 and IMO the next AB inside center and Nonu's succesor (with Crotty/Feikitoa at 13).

More than enough to play and beat Wales
BE
Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
16 Mar 2016, 21:45
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16 Mar 2016, 21:45#11
Nehe sounds like a camel on heat!!One sensed wee nehe had been worked out at the RWC. I do hope Wal es are at full strength. They have some usfeful backs themselves.
JW
Just_winCaptain18,570 posts
16 Mar 2016, 23:23
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16 Mar 2016, 23:23#12
Beeno, glad to see you are posting on the rugby section. We are looking forward to reading a sensible post in the near future
BE
Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
17 Mar 2016, 08:37
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17 Mar 2016, 08:37#13
 Hi there JW. My career as a world class political analyst is moving forward smoothly. I don' t expect to make a mistake in the near future JW so don't hold your breath 
JW
Just_winCaptain18,570 posts
17 Mar 2016, 08:46
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17 Mar 2016, 08:46#14
Canes are playing away against the Tahs this weekend Beeno. Our mate Nick is the ref (kiwi) so we will have to see if he can tilt the result in our favor. One can't push the boundaries too much for fear of waking up the rabid ref watcher s on this site
We commend you on your effort down under in the Trump-pet section of the board Beeno. Surely it will change some opinions, one has to remain optimistic
Beeno hard at work
What's that he's shoveling?
AB
ABasquefanPro2,549 posts
17 Mar 2016, 11:41
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17 Mar 2016, 11:41#15
 "My career as a world class political anaIyst is moving forward smoothly"

you are a living evidence that definitively proves what Einstein said a century ago :

Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former.
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CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
17 Mar 2016, 12:09
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17 Mar 2016, 12:09#16
 
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