RWC refs . . .

I should have expected the usual tiresome ref-bashing would ramp up for a RWC.

It's only rugby noobs and crybabies who expect rugby refs to be perfect and who bleat for hours on end about all the mistakes that the naughty ref made and demand that the refs on World Rugby's elite panel all be replaced by less qualified refs.

People who actually played the game or understand rugby recognize that rugby union is probably the hardest sport in the world to officiate due to the complexity of rugby's laws and because of the high levels of judgement and interpretation that are required to apply things like the advantage law, offside, policing foul play and many other elements of the game that are not as cut and dried as whether a ball was inside the line or not.

I hope no-one pays any attention to the endless squealing from crybaby rugby noobs like Baboon-ou and he-who-shall-not-be-named. Leave them to shriek like pre-pubescent girls every time they don't like a decision or if the team they're supporting gets penalized. Paying attention to their shrill whining all day every day will only encourage the little chaps to squeal even louder and work themselves up into a complete state.

Aag Rooi, your virtue signaling is getting tiresome.  We are all aware of the difficulties in proper rugby reffing. 

The fact that so little is done to making the whole process more professional is the problem.  For a pro sport, rugby is still being officiated amateurishly. 

WR decides on which laws they want to focus for the time being. Some laws are being ignored for years and some other laws elevated as more important at times. New interpretations are regularly tried and discarded , seemingly at the whims of the powers that be. Some reffereeing errors are being highlighted by WR after the fact, while others are being ignored or covered up. A professional sport should be measured by a higher standard than the BS being served up to the paying public year after year. Acceptance of this BS in the name of good sportsmanship is just plain daft in will hamper progress. Accepting mediocrity can never be justified. 

Follow your own advice arsehole.

We just need to make one adjustment to the list and it's perfect for CCs Brokeback expedition.

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The Untruth, I did not say the officials were biased against South Africa, I said the standard of officiating is piss poor for a pro sport and pussyfooting around the issue is not improving things....and taking anything that Rooi claims as fact is self delusion to thd extreme. If you think things are OK as they are, you are part of the problem.

 I saw the elbow on the ground scrum system of Moody repeatedly.   Saw three of those.

The people said Read in the Du Toit saga should be yellow-carded but was it not a red warranted? There were in fact three offences in that incident:-

*    Du Toit was not carrying the ball in other words it was an off-the-ball incident

*    It was a arm tackle around he neck 

*    It was illegal obstruction of Du Toit trying to get to Smith who  got the ball.

All three of these are in fact yellow card offences.  Combining them is to my mind  red card territory.   

I have seen some really dangerous tackles - that one takes the cake. 

Rooinek - tell ne is what happened in that case kosher?    

Duplication

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"I'm guessing in the dusty little dorp where you live, you're known as the king of wit and the prince of repartee."

Nope, my little dorp is not dusty and I'm not known for anything special. Those who do know me however, trust my word and integrity....and ulike you, I don't think my internet anonymity on this site (or any other) gives me carte blanche to lie and deceive with free abandon. I try to  treat people on the internet the same as I do people in real life.

 I don't have to prove anything to anyone. You know as well as I do that you are a coward parading as some kind  "genuine character "  

I know full and well that I should not even be responding to you, but life in my boring little "not-so-s tof dorp" will be so much less entertaining if I can't pull your chain every so often. Someday you might miraculously grow a spine and realise what life is really about....keep up the bravado in the meantime...it might fool some of the more gullible....Good luck!

Acknowledging the flaws in the system would be a start.

Setting a minimum standard academic qualification for all match officials.  Refereeing is a profession like being an electrician.  Every profession has peer review and basic standards.

Simplify the laws to make it easier to intrepid and apply....remove subjectivity and the need for interpretation as far as possible. 

Apply all laws equally and scrap those that are redundant, don't just ignore some laws you don't like....this isn't rocket science.  It's basic common sence.

If y ou are not prepared to at least try and improve things, stop bitching and complaining about others doing the same thing for a different reason. There is always room for progress.  Denying the need for progress will result in things actually getting worse.

A few small changes would offset a huge improvement. Why would we not want better refereeing?

"I can't think of too many professions that have stricter reviews and higher standards than a rugby ref."

And you call me stupid? 

Answer the question, chump. You said we should simplify the laws and scrap the redundant ones. I'm asking you to expand on that and to tell us which laws we can scrap and which ones would you change?

Scrap the one where you're  supposed to put the ball into the scrum straight. It's been ignored for years now. Personally I think it should be applied, but WTH...

 Look, I don't have time to explain the subjective vs objective tests to you. Too much ambiguity in most of the laws. While people like you are thinking there's nothing wrong and all is well, there will always be controversy. Interpretation has become the lame excuse for plausible deniability, and if you can't see it, you're the chump.

A solution could be to rotate the 4 officials during the match so that each one only has a 25% impact on the game with the whistle. 

Trad the troll out in force again today i see...

4x refs good idea - at least it would cost the kiwis 4x more...

Video ref overlord - could also work - but still subjective and open to more corruption.

Captain's challenge - would have probably won the game for Boks the other night with Aaron Smith's "play on knock on" on 5mtr line... but probably create too many more stoppages in a sport where stoppages already bore 99% of non-rugby enthusiasts.. 

Tard... lol

I have nothing to be sooking about other than the integrity of the sport... Aussies won comfortably even with biased kiwi ref and sook two faced kiwi coach of fiji.

I just want to see some justice and the kiwis implode when they get their payback.

Aight Tard - now go take your pills and stop licking the bus windows...

Tard you mustn't be a very busy guy so maybe you are housed in a retard institution... and this is your... 'puter time for da day...

I suspect you are running an alias which shows that whilst you calling me out for not manning up - you clearly aren't man enough to post under your original username.

Eden park was an aberration and Perth game was the real deal.... lol...

Anyway I have work to do - something adults not in nappys must preoccupy themselves with.

oh T ard you are funny... very funny actually... please keep spamming every post with your incoherent rantings... and fyi i am the boss... not too bad for a convict hey...

Perth was proof when a fair ref calls the shots the All Sacks arent invincible... but with refs in their pocket what team wouldnt be...?!

Auckland game.. who cares... the sacks were already beat at that stage.. and aussies didnt really care about it...

It is not possible to blow a perfect game ... not while you have 30 men running around, each doing his own thing ... not while the ref has the limitations of what a physical body brings ... which by the way only allows him to be in one place at a time.

Players are going to take their chances and if they get away with it then so be it. It's part of the game ... it has always been a part of the game. That will never change.

The way you lot are carrying on, one would swear that the ref deliberately cheated.

Is that what you are saying?

CC - maybe its how my brain works but I have observed a lot of biased reffing in rugby for the last 10-15yrs. Something I have become acutely aware of...

Aussie teams have benefited in the past, as have saffas (and def the kiwis).

I have had conversations with a very prominent retired international ref will keep his name under wraps (lives and owns a business locally - that incidentally cost him decent $mil to buy) that proves beyond a doubt that there are biases. He openly told me he wanted a certain team to lose when he reffed them... This guy reffed at at least 2x RWCs... so we're talking household name in rugby circles here...

To take that a step further and look at reality of SA v NZ on the weekend - Jerome was below par - whether he was paid or intimidated or both - nothing surprises me...

Bottom line is kiwi marketing machine is in full swing they don't have the same political encumbrances that SA rugby has and why wouldnt they push their brand by winning in anyway possible... paying a ref a few $100k is cheap in terms of marketing...

As stated in different post too - I now see a very clear path for kiwis to make it to semis without any real competition and very possibly setup Jap v NZ in QFs... as if the AIG marketing machine wouldnt want that...?!!?

SO you tell me... am I being irrational or realistic...?

I dont have too much skin in game other than get a lot of satisfaction when kiwis lose... in due largely to my experiences with so many damn kiwis in A ustralia. (some of whom are some of my closest friends and family)

Deep down I dont really care though... its just a game... lol  

Trad, show me where I slated the Allblacks or blamed the reff for the loss. If it seems like that, I did not communicate properly.

And as for calling out Plum, in the last few daysI told him atleast  twice where I differ from him...same with Beeno...go ask them if you don't believe me.

As for the laws of the game, everytime there's controversy I state my case and every time the subject comes up....same with the level of officiating. 

And yess CC, I know that no ref will be able to ref a perfect match and that the best referees also miss the odd infringements, but if all 4 officials misses blatant stuff, then there's a big problem. 

BTW, was an interesting idea rotating the match officials during the match...

Stop projecting Rudeneck, go get help.

Exactly Red. Exactly!

For many years I have been saying that where there is incentive to be dishonest, you will find honest people being dishonest.

Despite it being shown historically, time and time again, that in business, sport and everywhere else people dishonor themselves for gain, people refuse to believe rugby is as dirty as other sports.

Cricket - check

Soccer - check

Baseball - double check

Boxing - check

Cycling - check

All racing sports - check

MMA - check

Olympics - check

Golf - when they figure out how to they will

Rugby - no, never rugby. Rugby is the exception to the rule. Rugby is played, officiated and administered by incorruptible demigods.

So don't mind what you see. Never mind a penalty count of 20-2 like the one we saw in SR this year. Your eyes, mind and intuition fail you. 

Sportsman always knew they were not allowed to use roids.

When did they stop?

When testing began?

Nope.

Then when did they stop?

Ask Dyanti. Or rather, his off-cycle specialist will give you the details.

While you're at it, get his client list.

Point is, rugby and the way it is as a game, with so much "interpretation" influencing outcomes, is a rife environment for officiating to be about as mandated as it gets.