SA rugby facing R265 million hole in budget

Hmmm, looks like they killed the cow that gave the milk. 

In this case, the currie cup. SARU was so obsessed in joining the mother hemisphere that the sacrificed the currie cup at the detriment of our 14 provinces. 

No sponsor wants to touch the currie cup as it is seen as a 3rd rate comp. 

10 years ago you would still see boks in some of the games. 

Now they can’t find a single sponsor. 

Don’t get me wrong, I like that we joined the URC, but it looks like we did not negotiate from strength and were to happy to throw it all away. 

What I’ve heard is that we are not making money. 

All we have done is prop up the URC and made the league more attractive, but all the power is with Ireland right now. 

I don’t think our teams are too happy either. Having to travel 6 times if not more just for a single game.

Playing 25 games and then still trying to squeeze out a Currie cup. 

Either go back to super 12 with only 11 games or force URC to accept two more SA teams and split the league into 2 alternatively have promotion and relegation with more SA teams.

Any thoughts how this can be improved ? 

Get rid of Harrassmiss, we don’t need two head coaches…there’s a quick saving.

How do we solve that problem? Perhaps Plum can figure this one out...

The entire Erasputin model is built on the work of Nienaber. That's the core. There is nothing that Erasputin adds himself but worthless and inadequate gimmicks and oppressive scripts to coach the instincts out of our most talented and astute players. 

Yes. 

KC

The real interest in the CC died years ago as a result of Super Rugby.   The CC was kept alive as a source for player identification to move up the ladder in rugby.  The whole story is not covered in the above  scenario and some really stupid remarks were made as if Erasmus is the cause of the shortfall.

There were some serious problems with the present service.   The one part deals with subsidization of club rugby by the Unions and SARU is forced to subsidize the Unions - where administrative inefficiency and even corruption is rife, eg Eastern Cape Elephants.

The other problem is the question of whether the major Unions like the Bulls, Stormers, Sharks, Lions and Cheetahs should not be privatized making them financially less dependent  on SARU.

At the time of Super Rugby SARU was paid R1,6 billion for broadcast rights - it is not clear what the situation is at present.     

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He does not have his own opinion. He waits for people to express their opinion, and then states the opposite as if it was words of wisdom.... Mary Contrary.

He is probably a member of various sports blogging sites, games that he has never played before.

Who could have guessed. No kidding.Not like it was predicted on this board.

That being stated and reminded, there are no worries to be had as people in the North's thought as they wake up is how to bail out SA rugby out of their misery.

It will postpone the unavoidable for some time.

Ah, those quota people, they ruin everything.

"Either go back to super 12 with only 11 games or force URC to accept two more SA teams and split the league into 2 alternatively have promotion and relegation with more SA teams."

Not bad ideas at all....especially the promotion and relegation option

Ja, in my mind the league is too big. We are not football and can't continue to play the way we do. 

I would also get rid of home and away derby matches. They are completely pointless. Maybe up north they make sense as an extra money spinner given that their attendance are so low. 

SA on a bad day pull in 25 000 spectators. Before that New Lands would would be at 35 000 and even the mighty elephants were getting more than 30 000. 

We could easily put out 7 teams with the talent at our disposal, but it is just a question of administration. 

Mike, you are 100% right, come to think about it. WP is the reason why they had to sell Newlands. Fortunately the stormers is a separate entitity but the money still gets pumped into the provinces and then the clubs. So much political manoeuvring at club level. We even saw Jurie Roux, recent SARU CEO get caught out for moving around R25 million at Stellenbosh. It is insane to think that a university team can have so much money. There is money in SA when it comes to rugby. Hell, a top schools coach gets R1 million a year salaries. 

This is Saffex world, but School boy rugby is massive competitive and gets loads of people into the grounds. 10 000 people easily. 

Then we have the Varsity Cup that has been great for our rugby. 

So what happens to our provinces. 

I wonder how valuable they really are. I remember listening to a recent Naas interview where he shared his experience and why the boks struggled so much to break into test rugby. It was all down to provincialism, it served us well during Apartheid but we couldn't put a test team together. 

Then, we look at New Zealand, the still have their NPC, but it is a Pro / Am comp. 

I would make all of our Franchises 100% private with the caveat that they need to pay a fee to the provinces where they draw their players from. 

Continue with craven week, under 19 and under 21 comp along with varsity cup. 

Then run a Pro-Am Currie cup for 5 months. 

Sort out the player contracts. If a franchise pick up a player from a province, then pay that province for the player. 

We saw what Meyer did at the bulls, he went around to all the age group teams and brought the players to the Bulls. Pollard was a WP boy, so was Kriel etc. But the provinces never got the return  on their investment. 

This is the only time I believe that Rugby should follow football when it comes to professionalism. 

Start with junior contracts and make sure players are well managed and set up for life after rugby. Knowing that it can end any day and that there is life after rugby. 

Start contracts at 15. If they union don't renew your contract you become a free agent or they can transfer you to another union. 

Not this stupid Pony or ponsi scheme Rassie has set up. 

Yes it has been obvious to all that the crowds we see at rugby games have dwindled over the years.

Is it because the number of games has increased, the quality of the game or just a case of dropping the ball on Currie cup and the very popular Super 12 games.

The crowds attending the present games with the Northern teams are nowhere near the numbers who supported the Super 12 games.

Another issue that irks sport supporters is the ANC policy on quota selection of teams.

Sport is played for the sheer enjoyment of playing, winning and  not politics or the skin shade.

Now rugby has become a great revenue earner wasted by Rugby Board Officials who are incompetent, political hacks and more interested in filling their own coffers with no business or sport qualifications or interest in building the game for the players and us sport paying supporters.

Some would say it is the curse of professionalism in rugby that has changed the game plan to place money first.

I don't think that is the issue.

It is the SARU board that caused this mess due to having square pegs in round holes and are in over their heads managing the business that rugby has become.

Typical of what is taking place in RSA unfortunately.

People are poorer, prices are higher for tickets and transportation, the spectacle is worse, and the volume is too much. No fixture feels special or unique. By the time a cup final comes around one is already burnt out from too many games. 

One of my best friends at UCT and a surfing buddy, died fighting for Israel in the 1973 Yom Kippur war. He, like Deus, was a very original, bright fellow…I doubt he would have risked his life for a god forsaken place.

Don't forget the crime around these areas. The amount of people squatting on the side walks in places like Bantry bay and Seapoint is insane. It has now spread into the the urban areas and no longer confined to the squatter camps. Because of "human rights" people can pitch up anywhere they want. 

I remember going to Ellis park back in 2013 after SA vs NZ and w had to wait a while for our taxi. Man it was scary waiting there. Even though there were decent flats, they area was poorly lit. 

Fortunately my cousin is a 6'4 194cm build like a shit house former rekkie. Also use to Stoei for SA. 

But you won't catch me out at night in Cape Town these days. 

There are also people from all over Africa pitching up these days and the ANC just keep on with their looting and dumb policies. 

What Ponzi scheme is Erasmus running?   Erasmus has zero to do with the finances of SARU - he has suggested that contracting of players be reduced to 45 players per CC team and that talent should not be kept in a union having players in certain positions which they never use - thus  undermining development of players.     If players in certain positions are never used to play for the team they are contracted to play for - something is seriously wrong with the contracting system. 

I cannot find any ponzi or pony scheme with that approach.   It in fact it is a logical approach.   You are asking for contracting as from 15 years of age.   That system is in fact in place and has been in the major rugby schools and funded by local sponsors for years.   Where do you think players like Willemse and Jantjies came from?   The two and 27 other players were recruited by the sister of Rupert and their education and rugby development program was similarly funded.   That is just an example of what is really going on iro of school rugby.

Sorry - but the drain is not iro school rugby or the contracting system - the eal problem rfelatesd to support of clubs by provincial franchises often linked to election of board members and the rot encountered in that system.    That has bugger-all to do with Erasmus.                          

Israel, God forsaken?

It has the second-largest number of startup companies in the world after the United States,[26][needs update] and the third-largest number of NASDAQ-listed companies after the U.S. and China.[27]American companies such as Intel,[28] Microsoft,[29]and Apple[30][31] built their first overseas research and development facilities in Israel. Other high-tech multi-national corporations, such as IBM, Google, Hewlett-Packard, Cisco Systems, Facebook and Motorolahave opened R&D centers in the country.[32]

The Global Competitiveness Report of 2016 to 2017 ranked Israel as having the world's second most innovative economy.[227][needs update] It was also ranked 19th among 189 world nations on the UN's Human Development Index. As of 2018, Israel ranks 20th out of 133 countries on the economic complexity index. The IMD World Competitiveness Yearbook of 2016 ranked Israel's economy as world 21st most competitive out of the 61 economies surveyed.[228] The Israeli economy was ranked as the world's most durable economy in the face of crises, and was also ranked first in the rate research and development center investments.[229] The Bank of Israel was ranked first among central banks for its efficient functioning, up from the 8th place in 2009. Israel was ranked first also in its supply of skilled manpower.[229] Israeli companies, particularly in the high-tech area, have enjoyed considerable success raising money on Wall Street and other world financial markets: as of 2010 Israel ranked second among foreign countries in the number of its companies listed on U.S. stock exchanges.[230]

Having moved away from the socialist economic model since the mid-1980s and early 1990s, Israel has made dramatic moves toward the free-market capitalist paradigm. As of 2020, Israel's economic freedom score is 74.0, making its economy the 26th freest in the 2020 Index of Economic Freedom. Israel's economic competitiveness is helped by strong protection of property rights, relatively low corruption levels, and high openness to global trade and investment. Income and corporate tax rates remain relatively high.[231] As of 2020, Israel ranks 35th out of 179 countries in Transparency International's Corruption Perceptions Index. Bribery and other forms of corruption are illegal in Israel, which is a signatory to the OECD Bribery Convention since 2008.[231]

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So Israel is a shining example of free enterprise fixing the failures of socialism. 

I have had the pleasure of not only visiting Israel but doing business with companies in that country.

To me it is a shining example of people standing united, proud of their faith, country and destiny.

What the population has achieved is absolutely amazing for a country so small and surrounded by  enemies yet made the strides in all avenues through their pride, determination and hard work.

A glowing example of what can be achieved through hard work and believing in yourself.

Unfortunately Africa does not have the same drive, motivation or pride but thrives on hand outs.

Harsh man!!!

Saffex reminds me of that show by Ricky Gervais: An Idiot Abroad. I imagine poor Saffex, getting off the plane, with his knee-high socks and sandals with sun cream on his nose, struggling to find the nearest pub, and nobody to understand how witty he can be. Struggling as much as his shirt buttons restraining his glory. 

Bill Murray...The Man Who Knew Too Little...

Eretz Israel, I spent six months on a kibbutz, great country & gorgeous women.

ouDawie, you don't know shit from sugar.

So how did you end  up in NZ Blob….they seem like very different choices.

Sport is played for the sheer enjoyment of playing, winning and  not politics or the skin shade.

As exhibited by rugby in SA.

All the teachings from the past washed away since white people have overtaken Europe. For people in Europe in the past, actions and consequences was such an obviousness.

As per usual, the deviation which in this case ended to include Israel to the topic.

As per usual, the same will to fill space with emptiness. Way too many non arguments to point them out.

SA on a bad day pull in 25 000 spectators. Before that New Lands would would be at 35 000 and even the mighty elephants were getting more than 30 000.

For what team budget. SA rugby has been looking for money from the North market, not the opposite.

We could easily put out 7 teams with the talent at our disposal, but it is just a question of administration.

Non sense. SA rugby are unsustainable. The output of players does not match the opportunities provided by SA rugby, the output is supported by foreign demand.

If indeed if it was a mere administration issue, then the solution would be plain: develop a domestic/national league of 10 teams, away and home games, plus a play off stage.

There is no market for it.

  Erasmus has zero to do with the finances of SARU -

Of course he does. As written, SA rugby are about pretending. When ranking no 1, the period was artificially extended by refusing to play more games. When other unions were busy scheduling more games, SA rugby were busy taking advantage of opponents that had played more games.

As soon as SA rugby slipped from the spot, they started scheduling more games just like the other unions.

Is it because the number of games has increased, the quality of the game or just a case of dropping the ball on Currie cup and the very popular Super 12 games.

The crowds attending the present games with the Northern teams are nowhere near the numbers who supported the Super 12 games.

No. People have left their life be defined by consumption habits. In this case, that is rugby. It is not about quality, it is about keeping a way of life.

Quality is not a factor, provision is. Providing rugby games to people who define their life on rugby consumption matters. They can not do without consuming rugby games. Consuming rugby games is their life.

As shown by this board, people can not distance themselves from rugby games consumption. They come back to it.

That is a pretty solid scheme for anyone selling as people are sort of addicted.

It has consequences, especially when people no longer show up to the games.

When a drug dealer no longer see his drug addicted customers, that is a sign to be assessed and certainly not from the quality or volume side.

Don't forget the crime around these areas. The amount of people squatting on the side walks in places like Bantry bay and Seapoint is insane. It has now spread into the the urban areas and no longer confined to the squatter camps. Because of "human rights" people can pitch up anywhere they want. 

I remember going to Ellis park back in 2013 after SA vs NZ and w had to wait a while for our taxi. Man it was scary waiting there. Even though there were decent flats, they area was poorly lit. 

Fortunately my cousin is a 6'4 194cm build like a shit house former rekkie. Also use to Stoei for SA. 

But you won't catch me out at night in Cape Town these days.

White people have been cancelling large segments of humanity for centuries and when those cancelled populations can no longer be denied, it shows.

Ah, if only the Apartheid regime had not failed in their original program to genocide all the peeps, it would have made the future brighter.