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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
28 Sept 2025, 13:27
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28 Sept 2025, 13:27#1
Sacha Feinberg-Mngomezulu eclipses Dan Carter

By Daniel Gallan

1 hour ago


Twenty years ago, a 23-year-old from Leeston on the Canterbury Plains in New Zealand’s South Island produced the greatest performance ever seen by a fly-half. Against the British & Irish Lions, the young lad with the movie-star jawline and hair to match scored two tries, slotted four conversions and banged over five penalties for a match haul of 33 points. He ran from deep, stitched the backline together and was pinpoint off the boot. Two decades later, Dan Carter is widely considered the best rugby player of all time.


In 20 years, how will we remember the staggering exhibition put on by a 23-year-old from Cape Town on South Africa’s southern tip? Will we regard his match haul of 37 points against Argentina in Durban as the equal of Carter’s tally at the Cake Tin in Wellington? Will three tries, eight conversions and two penalties against a very accomplished Pumasoutfit resonate with the same frequency as the coming-of-age show from a bona fide GOAT? Perhaps. Perhaps not. Either way, the future is now and his name is Sacha Feinberg-Mngomezulu.



Where to start? To put it simply, this was, by a distance, the single greatest 80 minutes ever by a South African fly-half. We can quibble if it eclipsed Carter’s jaw-dropper in 2005, but we can surely all agree that no Springboks 10 — not Handré Pollard, not Manie Libbok, not Naas Botha, nor Henry Honiball – has ever reached these heights from the first kick to the closing blast of a whistle every South African fan was hoping would never come.



He ran 134 metres. He carried 14 times. He scored his first try after kicking into space and then sprinting onto the loose ball as he ushered Canan Moodie away with a commanding hand. His second came off a step and a burst of pace at first receiver. His third was the consequence of a 360-degree pirouette from scrum-half that dummied half the population of Buenos Aires. Between that, he arrowed a 60-metre cross-field assist for Cheslin Kolbe that couldn’t have been better placed. All around the highlights was an assured sense of calm, an aura of supreme control. This was Sacha’s world. We were just lucky enough to breathe the same air.

It’s hard not to get carried away by all of this. Rassie Erasmus was eager to point out that things can change very quickly in rugby. “Sometimes you must give guys a chance to build a reputation and their skillset at Test match level,” he said afterwards. “He is definitely doing that, but patience is key.” Siya Kolisi, glowing after the win, added: “I thought Sacha was amazing. It’s not just his tries, but the way he controlled the game. He kept a cool head and put us in the right places.”



But can’t we allow ourselves a little revelry? Can we not veer into hyperbole and contemplate what a genuine superstar at fly-half might mean for South African rugby? Botha was a metronome but the joke was he always finished the game with clean shorts as he avoided close contact. Pollard remains a general with ice in his veins but his highlights reel over two and a half World Cup cycles with the Boks could fit on a TikTok reel. Libbok, like Elton Jantjies before him, has been dazzling in patches but has also wilted when the pressure is on. Is it too early to wonder if Feinberg-Mngomezulu is the complete package?

Of course, none of this happens without work done elsewhere. A rugby team functions like a wristwatch. One cog cannot turn unless others are functioning as they should and credit must go to some of the big units up front.



Jasper Wiese was brilliant. Tony Brown’s vision is evidently only possible when a rampaging No 8 provides that front-foot punch and the battering ram from Upington was immense. Pieter-Steph du Toit was doing Pieter-Steph du Toit things throughout, offering continuity in the trams, hammering everyone in blue and white, cantering over the gainline with every carry. RG Snyman’s offloads and silky touches acted as the perfect bridge between grunt and glamour, linking forwards and backs in a way that kept Argentina chasing shadows. Malcolm Marx, bruising and belligerent, was a wrecking ball at the breakdown, creating the quick ball that allowed Feinberg-Mngomezulu, and Libbok once he entered the scene, to play fast and flat.



Things are clicking. Tony-Ball, which is now an established ideology, is up and running. The coaching group has unlocked a new layer to the Springboks’ offensive identity. “We wanted to play good rugby, put the work we have done in training into the game,” said Feinberg-Mngomezulu himself post-match. “Playing transition scenarios and getting the right balance between kicking and running. I think we did that.” It is from this foundation that a supremely gifted individual took flight and, for 80 minutes, made rugby look impossibly easy.

As the brandy hangovers wear off and as we pick out last night’s biltong from our molars, can we consider that we might be blinking into a new world where everything we thought we knew about Springbok rugby can categorically be consigned to a bygone age?



Twenty years ago, Dan Carter set the standard. Last night, Feinberg-Mngomezulu didn’t just chase that ghost, he ran right past it, smiling, inviting it to keep up as he tore downfield toward a future that suddenly feels very brigh


KI
kingcornPro3,695 posts
28 Sept 2025, 13:39
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28 Sept 2025, 13:39#2

I agree that this was the most complete performance to announce himself. The only difference is that there were more eyes on Carter and some view the Lions a better team than the Pumas even though we know that this Pumas team beat the lions. It is a matter of perception.


Sasha will need to deliver more such performances and he will need to do it against the top teams. He had an excellent cameo against the All Black's last year. Unfortunately he got injured early recently against them. We still have the end of year tour with Matches against France and Ireland.


My only question is what is Rassies rotation policy. Will he start with Manie and Pollard in the bench? Is he going to rotate massively or is he just going to keep the team together and get them to win at Twickenham. I would vote for the latter. Especially when the championship is on the line with 3 teams still in it.


Then he has Japan and Italy as his testing matches, France and Ireland are the big scalps we want

SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
28 Sept 2025, 13:48
#3
28 Sept 2025, 13:48#3

It’s early days but it’s clear that Sacha is a different beast


He is more naturally gifted than any 10 I have ever seen

PL
PlumCaptain21,007 posts
28 Sept 2025, 13:50
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28 Sept 2025, 13:50#4

"Jasper Wiese was brilliant. Tony Brown’s vision is evidently only possible when a rampaging No 8 provides that front-foot punch and the battering ram from Upington was immense."

SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
28 Sept 2025, 14:18
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28 Sept 2025, 14:18#5

Wiese was very effective with his carries as he always is - nothing subtle about him


As I keep saying - he is effective dumb muscle

MO
moolaaPro2,380 posts
01 Oct 2025, 03:34
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01 Oct 2025, 03:34#6

Sensational performance from Sacha and certainly better than I thought he was capable of. Has all the skills and just needs to probably tone it down a tad if and when the Boks get into a tight situation.

The Argies did have one of their off games as proven through their history.

Letting Sacha chase down his own kick through was disgraceful with their chasers running at half pace and letting Sacha mow right past them to touch down.

The Argies will be watching him like a hawk this weekend which of course will open up other opportunities outside/inside him and will be fascinating to see how he handles that.

A small blemish which I’ve mentioned before……Still haven’t seen him kick with his left foot!!

MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
01 Oct 2025, 04:02
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01 Oct 2025, 04:02#7

Good comments Moolaa…this weekend should prove interesting, but he has the heart of a competitor, I think he’ll find a way. Interesting about the left foot, my coach at school was big on the left foot.

MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
01 Oct 2025, 04:06
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01 Oct 2025, 04:06#8

Good comments Moolaa…this weekend should prove interesting, but he has the heart of a competitor, I think he’ll find a way. Interesting about the left foot, my coach at school was big on the left foot.

PL
PlumCaptain21,007 posts
01 Oct 2025, 07:37
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01 Oct 2025, 07:37#9

People fear the unknown. Greatness is unknown to most people, so they fear it. They watch someone great develop and they get what can only be described as an empathy speed wobble. It's all too much for them and their natural instinct is to want to calm things down. It's why most people could never be great.


This is why, after Sacha's stratospheric performance, which was largely risk free, we immediately talk about ego, reining in his performances and being more "serious".


Ego is a prerequisite for greatness, because you can't "sort of" believe you are the greatest ever. Every fibre of your being must be aligned with the idea that there has never been anybody better. No great, EVER, didn't believe in their greatness. It's a requirement. How is one supposed to believe you are great but be devoid of ego at the same time?


Before AB De Villiers was ranked as the best batter in the world, he said he wanted to be the best in the world. He got heat for that. Like it was an arrogant statement. So the question is, should he have, to please the masses, pretended that he wanted to be the 10th best?


Greatness operates outside the bounds that the other 99% exist within. So when you talk about reining in one's performances then, what you are actually saying, is that greatness needs to act more normal. Why?


Unless he's been incredibly lucky, the evidence tells us that Sacha is on a path to greatness. Yes, he's mortal and still needs food, water, a bed and toilet...but the rest of the rules don't apply.


Jordan was considered one of the greatest ever. He wasn't humble, he wasn't reined in and he wasn't subject to rotational selection policies to keep his ego in check. Quite the opposite. He was given the keys to the castle and that helped him bring his team closer to his level, and that made them unstoppable.


Jordan is still as arrogant as ever, years after he has retired. Too right, he should be. A world were Michael Jordan isn't so arrogant that I wanna slap him, is a world I don't want to live in because it's a world where greatness doesn't exist.


Let's give Sacha the benefit of the doubt and just enjoy what we're seeing. If and when problems arise, deal with them then.



SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
01 Oct 2025, 07:43
#10
01 Oct 2025, 07:43#10

Well said Plum


MP
MpowerPro5,061 posts
01 Oct 2025, 10:55
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01 Oct 2025, 10:55#11

So ego is the sole ticket to greatness, that doesn’t sound right….


There are plenty of world-class sportsmen who never radiated arrogance.


Roger Federer, Jacques Kallis, Richie McCaw, Fourie du preez, Dan Carter.


All humble, all dominant, all great. They had belief, not ego. Big difference.


Jordan was arrogant, sure, but he’s just one example. If you cherry pick him and ignore others, you’re basically saying greatness can only look one way.


That’s a bit Short Sighted, wouldn’t you say? Greatness isn’t a one-size-fits-all thing.


As for Sacha, he’s clearly talented, but after one good performance the hype train is already at full speed.


Let him prove it over time before we start throwing around “greatness” and writing philosophical essays about his ego:)


PL
PlumCaptain21,007 posts
01 Oct 2025, 11:05
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01 Oct 2025, 11:05#12

"So ego is the sole ticket to greatness, that doesn’t sound right…."


That's not what I said.


Let me ask you this;


Do greats know that they are great?





MP
MpowerPro5,061 posts
01 Oct 2025, 11:17
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01 Oct 2025, 11:17#13

Plum, you wrote “Ego is a prerequisite for greatness.”


You’re saying greatness can’t exist without ego. So it does sound like you’re making ego the sole ticket.


To your question, “Do greats know that they are great?” Yes, they do.


But knowing you’re great and having a big ego aren’t the same thing. The Sportsman i listed knew they were great.


They didn’t need to constantly project it. That’s the difference.


Self belief is necessary.

Ego is optional.


KI
kingcornPro3,695 posts
01 Oct 2025, 11:48
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01 Oct 2025, 11:48#14

Some of the stats that people didn't look at but in that game the boks kicked 40 times and they managed to regather 8 of those. Of those 40 kicks, Sasha kicked 15 out of hand. What the forwards like Wiese did well is to give SFM a lot of space to get those cross kicks away. If you look how much time he had to drop those bombs. He never seemed to be under pressure, but that is because of the forwards.


A team just need to learn how to put pressure on Sasha, but that willl come on to shut our forwards down.


We saw in the New Zealand test that when the base of the ruck is disrupted that our teams starts crumbling.

DE
DennyCaptain12,893 posts
01 Oct 2025, 11:49
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01 Oct 2025, 11:49#15

A couple of interesting observations with which I totally agree. Always said that Manie had that Stephen Larkham look about him, it's noted that Jeremy Paul a teammate of Larkham believes that as well.


"Sacha has shown what he can do, but in terms of managing a match and bringing the rest of the backline into the game, he will still grow into that,"

De Villiers commented on the Good, Bad and Rugby AUNZ podcast. He highlighted that while the player's individual skills are impressive, integrating these into a team context is the next step for Feinberg-Mngomezulu.



On the other hand, Libbok, at 28, has demonstrated a keen ability to elevate the team's dynamism. Despite facing criticism for earlier performances, his solo try in the game against Los Pumas showcased his critical impact. De Villiers praised Libbok's ability to change the pace and nature of the game.

"When Manie Libbok came on, he was fizzing the ball, and the attacking nature of the team was totally different with him on the field,"

he noted, emphasizing the transformative effect Libbok has on the field.



Jeremy Paul, a former Australian hooker, also lauded Libbok, comparing him to Wallaby legend Stephen Larkham and highlighting the advantage of having a strong forward pack that supports dynamic backline plays.


Both players have been instrumental in the Springboks' recent successes, with Feinberg-Mngomezulu setting new records and Libbok carving out decisive moments. As the team continues to evolve under the guidance of assistant coach Tony Brown, the roles of these key players will be crucial in defining the future trajectory of the Springboks' gameplay.


SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
01 Oct 2025, 11:57
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01 Oct 2025, 11:57#16

Sacha is a Lamborghini


Manie a Ferrari


Pollard a Rolls Royce

XA
XaviPro1,924 posts
01 Oct 2025, 13:43
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01 Oct 2025, 13:43#17

Oct 01, 2025, 11:57



"Sacha is a Lamborghini


Manie a Ferrari


Pollard a Rolls Royce"


De Allende a Massey Ferguson. : )

PL
PlumCaptain21,007 posts
01 Oct 2025, 14:25
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01 Oct 2025, 14:25#18

M


I see the confusion. I don't mean ego in the sense that one walks around treating people like shit.


I'm talking about ego in regards what you do in your discipline. How you perceive your own ability, potential and standing.


Without that ego, and without that inner ability to go against the grain, you won't find greatness.


This is why I mentioned AB...talking about what he wanted to become. At the time, that was perceived as having an ego. But it's the right kind of ego. The necessary ego.


So, when people ask Sacha if he thinks he's the best player ever...I only want to hear him say "Yes, I am".



DB
DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
01 Oct 2025, 16:26
#19
01 Oct 2025, 16:26#19

"De Allende a Massey Ferguson. : )"


When playing for Munster yes, Ford at WP and John Deere for the Bokke.


PS, you get Lamborghini tractors as well :-)

MP
MpowerPro5,061 posts
01 Oct 2025, 20:34
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01 Oct 2025, 20:34#20

De Allende is a Donkie Kar…. Massey Ferguson is to good for him…


Sacha is a BMW M3= Blik Met Wiele:)


Manie is a FIAT = First in all Troubles:)


Pollie is a Bugatti Chiron Super Sport 300+ = The real McCoy:)

DE
DennyCaptain12,893 posts
02 Oct 2025, 03:08
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02 Oct 2025, 03:08#21

The X Rated sportsmen I believe had or displayed and in the case of Sacha display super confidence. Please note that there may be others but these are ones from the sports I enjoy.

Tiger Woods/ Muhmmad Ali/ Sacha/ Viv Richards/ Mark Spitz/ Carl Lewis/ Gary Player

Novak Djokovic/ Shane Warne/ Brian Lara/ Malcom Marshall/ Curtley Ambrose/ Glen McGrath

I also believe that their super confidence was intertwined with their skills and talent.


DB
DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
02 Oct 2025, 06:33
#22
02 Oct 2025, 06:33#22

I never thought any wing would ever be as good as Carel....but then we got Brian Habana....and now Kolbe..

Wow..

PL
PlumCaptain21,007 posts
02 Oct 2025, 07:56
#23
02 Oct 2025, 07:56#23

...and Arendse.


Arendse had none of Kolbe's hype by just as much deadliness.


We're very lucky.


...and then Jooste has just come onto the scene but looks crazy good too.

MP
MpowerPro5,061 posts
02 Oct 2025, 09:56
#24
02 Oct 2025, 09:56#24

Plum would you rate Arendse as a great winger?? The guy has zero Ego, but heaps of Self belief.

PL
PlumCaptain21,007 posts
03 Oct 2025, 12:42
#25
03 Oct 2025, 12:42#25

I do rate Arendse very highly, M.

DE
DennyCaptain12,893 posts
03 Oct 2025, 13:59
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03 Oct 2025, 13:59#26

Arendse is a supremely confident warrior. We've all witnessed how he creates opportunity out of nothing. He is a game changer who doesn't waste opportunity.

DB
DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
03 Oct 2025, 15:23
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03 Oct 2025, 15:23#27

Die Arend vlieg hoog!....een van die Paarl manne.

MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
03 Oct 2025, 16:03
#28
03 Oct 2025, 16:03#28

Lamborghini started out as a tractor manufacturer. I had the Diablo ….beautiful looking but built like a kit car. My friends tell me that the build quality has improved with German ownership, but now they look like angry insects.


There is a reason you can walk into a Lamborghini dealership and walk out with your car an hour later…walk into a Ferrari dealer as a new buyer and you are on a waiting list for a car to be delivered in 2028.

PL
PlumCaptain21,007 posts
04 Oct 2025, 09:14
#29
04 Oct 2025, 09:14#29

To be honest, I don't think most casual fans rate Arendse that highly.


One never really hears his name mentioned. I think Kolbe's style of play is much more suited to being noticed. He's a knockout punch kind of guy.


Arendse is more a silent assassin type that slips the knife in and is out of sight before his victim hits the floor.


They're still, for me, our best 11 and 14. Hooker is there now and will be selected in every Bok squad for at least the next decade.


I have a feeling that Jooste will be brought into the mix too. When Reinach and Faf go, we'll have Williams, VD Berg and Pead will be brought in.


Now, looking at a backline squad in a year or two from now...Fassi, Willemse, Arendse, , Jooste, Hooker, Williams, Pead, VD Berg, Moodie, De Klerk, Sacha, (Manie - Maybe)....


There are a few more names I could mention but those guys come to mind first.


Gas on top of gas added to gas. The slowest guy in that list is Moodie...and he's not slow at all.


Any coach anywhere on earth would give his left nut to have that group of backs in his squad.


And then there is this guy...man I love this kid. For me, he has everything. Skills, power, personality, class;



DB
DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
04 Oct 2025, 09:21
#30
04 Oct 2025, 09:21#30

Looks more Thor than PSDT...can he play 8?

PL
PlumCaptain21,007 posts
04 Oct 2025, 09:36
#31
04 Oct 2025, 09:36#31

Both 7 and 8. The guy is a monster.

SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
04 Oct 2025, 11:18
#32
04 Oct 2025, 11:18#32

Batho is from my school - he is a Beast


Stupid Plumtree is playing him at lock at the moment and did not even use him off the bench last evening

PL
PlumCaptain21,007 posts
04 Oct 2025, 12:31
#33
04 Oct 2025, 12:31#33

He's already got that aura.


A future Bok for sure.

TM
The Mr McAllister Who Lives HereClub Pro120 posts
04 Oct 2025, 14:02
#34
04 Oct 2025, 14:02#34

Carter played quality opposition. The Boks haven't faced quality opposition this year. This Bok side, in test rugby history, is not very talented.

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