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Sack Meyer now

Started by Saffolk 36 REPLIES610 VIEWS· 30 Nov 2014, 17:35
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SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
30 Nov 2014, 17:35
#1
30 Nov 2014, 17:35#1

This EOYT has confirmed how utterly useless the man is as a coach.  The selection of washed up has beens or never beens like Jean, Hendricks, Fourie, Olivier, Morne, du Preez, Pienaar, Jannie, Steenkamp,  Matfield, Bakkies, Louw and Alberts has hindered the progression of the Boks,  but the biggest culprit is our out if touch coach who can't select, is hell bent on selecting the old and knows little about how modern day test rugby is won. Losing to Ireland and Wales is just simply not good enough.


Sack Meyer now before its too late for our WC hopes.

SH
ShezzaPro2,471 posts
30 Nov 2014, 18:11
#2
30 Nov 2014, 18:11#2
 And replace him with who? There is no foreign or not who is better than him.
AG
AgPleezDeddyClub Pro900 posts
30 Nov 2014, 18:11
#3
30 Nov 2014, 18:11#3
 We'd have much better of yesterday with Du Preez than Hougaard.
BO
BokBFClub Pro421 posts
30 Nov 2014, 18:40
#4
30 Nov 2014, 18:40#4
We would have done better playing with14 on the park without Hogat
SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
30 Nov 2014, 18:56
#5
30 Nov 2014, 18:56#5
 Oh what utter crap how pathetically ignorant to blame Hougaard who was on the field for all of how many minutes? Wow let me guess his tap and kick into touch c ost us the game did it, excusing the pathetic team performance as a whole.
Blaming Hougaard is not only ignorance of the highest order it's fucking childish. 
SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
30 Nov 2014, 18:58
#6
30 Nov 2014, 18:58#6
 Shez you are speaking crap......Mallett, Venter, R assie and Swys are all better than Meyer and any S15 Kiwi coach would be better than Meyer.
I'd go with a Kiwi just like Ireland and Wales have. Sack useless Meyer he is an insult.
AJ
Arthur JohnPro1,748 posts
30 Nov 2014, 19:01
#7
30 Nov 2014, 19:01#7
 Not sure that much can be completed before WC 2015 as far as getting the Boks up to speed,
But I do think that Meyer has screwed up thus far with his selections but the big question is will he or can he change at this stage or are we doomed to a poor showing at the WC.
Lets hope he has some plan up his sleeve that he has not played yet.
But I honestly do not think he has what is required to motivate or lead the Springboks to win WC 2015.
Lets trust that he proves me wrong.

BO
BokBFClub Pro421 posts
30 Nov 2014, 19:42
#8
30 Nov 2014, 19:42#8
 As you did not watch the game I will tell you, he was on for 20 along with all the other young guns. In that 20 we were at our worst. It was not only the tap and kick into touch but also foot into touch down the RHS I think, a pathetic  up and under gaining about 5m and giving away possetion and the cherry on the top fumbling around for the ball at the 5m scrum with 2 mins to go. So no it is not just the kick but playing a quarter of the game his contribution was only negative.
MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
30 Nov 2014, 19:52
#9
30 Nov 2014, 19:52#9
The young pop guns are a sure path to disaster. Why would the halfback duo that failed in the S15 semi, suddenly do the business in tests. A foolish notion.
Keep HM...let him choose the best players....lose the young pop guns.  
BI
biltongbekClub Pro749 posts
30 Nov 2014, 19:57
#10
30 Nov 2014, 19:57#10
I don't know of anyone who would want to coach the Boks, SARU won't go for a foreign coach and they wouldn't want to get involved in our politi cs 
SH
ShezzaPro2,471 posts
30 Nov 2014, 20:45
#11
30 Nov 2014, 20:45#11
 Venter is with the Sharks and I'm not to sure he would want the Bok jobs as he likes being in the background. Rassie is already involved with SARU and Mallet is definitely not better than Meyer. Neither is Swys or any New Zealand Super rugby coach. 
None of those coaches have won Super rugby. Also not to forget that he practically made the Bok 2007 RWC team...
SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
30 Nov 2014, 21:32
#12
30 Nov 2014, 21:32#12

Bok fuck up........let me guess you are one of the ignorant twats stupid enough to blame Hougaard.


Fact is the youngsters have been our best players all year by some distance......the issues with Boks lie in players like Jean, Morne, Pienaar, Steenkamp, Jannie, Matfield, Bakkies and Alberts who were great some years back but their mediocrity these days is costing us big time.


Hell the coach is too stupid to notice this, we have the players themselves throwing in the towel knowing full well they no longer can contribute at the highest level. Thank goodness for Bakkies and Fourie making the calls themselves.


One has to wonder if our hysterical coach has learnt anything this tour - my guess is no

SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
30 Nov 2014, 21:36
#13
30 Nov 2014, 21:36#13

Venter has not signed a long term deal with the Sharks and speculating that he would not want the job is laughable. Mallett is unattached, has a rugby brain unlike Meyer, give him the job. Mallett is FAR FAR better than useless Meyer.


Who gives a shit if a Kiwi coach has won a S15 title or not? Had Schmidt the current coach of Ireland. Kiwi's are better coaches than SA'ns........our coaches are pathetically conservative........give the job to a Kiwi I say.


Sack clueless Meyer NOW, before its too late  

SH
ShezzaPro2,471 posts
30 Nov 2014, 22:00
#14
30 Nov 2014, 22:00#14
I'm not going to try to change your opinion even though I think you're wrong. 
SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
30 Nov 2014, 23:38
#15
30 Nov 2014, 23:38#15
I am never wrong.....especially about useless Meyer.....hell I could do a better job and I coach for fun  
MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
01 Dec 2014, 01:08
#16
01 Dec 2014, 01:08#16
Aren't all Bok coachesb supposed to be at least 1.8 metres? seeing over the scrum is part of the job description.
SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
01 Dec 2014, 02:00
#17
01 Dec 2014, 02:00#17
 Well I fit the bill perfectly then
BE
Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
01 Dec 2014, 07:17
#18
01 Dec 2014, 07:17#18
 hahahaha good one Moz.However Meyer has certainly not distinguised himself this year with some very poor selections. The mind boggles at some of them and I excluse quota picks.  
DA
Devil's AdvocatePro7,008 posts
01 Dec 2014, 08:18
#19
01 Dec 2014, 08:18#19

Eish

 

We now have this statement

 

Saffex

Status:Hall Of Fame
Posts: 10514 RE: Sack Meyer now
November 30, 2014, 23:38:16 I am never wrong.....especially about useless Meyer.....hell I could do a better job and I coach for fun

 

When we previously had this statement

 

Saffex

Status:Hall Of Fame
Posts: 8357

RE: Springboks in rude health says Keo
July 10, 2014, 13:41:23

Keo is a fucking idiot, worst rugby writer I have come across in years, evidenced by the pathetic side he selected for next years WC......., it had all the washed up hasbeen's including Danie Rossouw.

The true test will be this RC - wonder what all these clowns will be saying after we lose all our tests against Oz and NZ

Dave, I am just as pissed as you with our latest performance but let's at least still posts facts

 

 

SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
01 Dec 2014, 15:46
#20
01 Dec 2014, 15:46#20
I cant post facts before the event  
DA
Devil's AdvocatePro7,008 posts
01 Dec 2014, 17:17
#21
01 Dec 2014, 17:17#21

Saffex

Status:Hall Of Fame
Posts: 8357

RE: Springboks in rude health says Keo
July 10, 2014, 13:41:23

  wonder what all these clowns will be saying after we lose all our tests against Oz and NZ

 

 

Cool, considering you say you are never wrong, as above, I assume this was a guess on your part then

 

All good

 

GE
generaltitPro3,164 posts
01 Dec 2014, 17:56
#22
01 Dec 2014, 17:56#22

Saffex, I understand some of your frustrations but sacking a coach at the 11th hour is foolish...imho he is not my choice ...mediocre and sound some times in the basics...he is Currie Cup Coach or a borderline super series one...SA rugby needs a very bright one and sharp, an extremely good public relations person too...tough, direct, intuitive and an bluntly honest must be added. HM has a few of these but the main ingredient of planning differently and creatively a long time before the world cup...I have given him credit for some qualities but not for this...but the biggest problem I have with him is he is not strong enough...a man must had intuitive vision to take risks and inspire...all EXCEPTIONAL COACHES have this...he is a middle of the road guy...and not a driven fanactic...he plays the safe game and is not a frontline general if you get my meaning.

MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
01 Dec 2014, 18:55
#23
01 Dec 2014, 18:55#23
HM is hampered by much poorer player options than in 2007 and 2011. He also has to accommodate social constraints, much as Jake did. It's a tough job, but he is doing it professionally with honour. He needs a backline coach, but he needs to stay.  
SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
01 Dec 2014, 22:34
#24
01 Dec 2014, 22:34#24
Well we will continue to fail under Meyer so I would have no issue sacking him right now. Instead of progressing he is regressing.
We have more talent than ever. We have never had the depth of class talent we have right now. Meyer is wasting this talent and selling us down the river right now.
Imagine selecting Matfield over Willemse or calling up Ross Cronje as a back up 9?
DA
Devil's AdvocatePro7,008 posts
02 Dec 2014, 07:43
#25
02 Dec 2014, 07:43#25

If we really knew what happened behind the scenes regarding what is in or  out of Meyer's control, I reckon it would change quite a few perspectives on here

 

Including yours Saffex 

BE
Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
02 Dec 2014, 09:28
#26
02 Dec 2014, 09:28#26
 DA Meyer to be fair has a dysfunctional rugby system to deal with. BUT he has also compounded matters and faled to take the opportunities to build his squad properly over the last few years. Star players play every match and nobody else gets a look in.
CL
CleanCutPro9,905 posts
02 Dec 2014, 09:59
#27
02 Dec 2014, 09:59#27
 
The first thing Meyer needs to do is to have his hollow cranium stuffed with a living, fully functional brain.

Then things should start going a little better.

Till then ANY replacement will be an improvement.
DA
Devil's AdvocatePro7,008 posts
02 Dec 2014, 12:25
#28
02 Dec 2014, 12:25#28

Rubbish CC

 

Name a worthy replacement then  

CL
CleanCutPro9,905 posts
02 Dec 2014, 12:49
#29
02 Dec 2014, 12:49#29
 
So I take it then that you don't think a lobotomy would help the man gain clarity?

Are you kidding me?

He needs all the help he can get.

I was going to suggest Dave but he'd play Jantjies at 10 and that would have me look for the nearest bridge to jump off of.
HA
hakwaPro4,146 posts
02 Dec 2014, 14:32
#30
02 Dec 2014, 14:32#30
 Don't do it CC. The world needs you
DA
Devil's AdvocatePro7,008 posts
02 Dec 2014, 16:15
#31
02 Dec 2014, 16:15#31

I don't doubt he needs all the help he can get CC, but I do doubt that he is getting it all the time

 

The daily obstacles a South African coach, of all international coaches, has to endure, is a game changer is a lot of ways 

SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
02 Dec 2014, 16:36
#32
02 Dec 2014, 16:36#32
 Disagree Meyer has no excuses....there is no excuse for selecting Matfield.  He might have quota issues but there are more than enough quality players of colour to fit any quota bill. These guys are not quota players:
Kolbe, JP, Habana, Hendricks, Rhule, Senatla, Mapoe, Mvovo, Skosan, Volmink, Sithole, Mnisi, Jantjies, Coleman, Luithers, Paige, Beast, Nkanyane, Cayleb Oosthuizen, Scara, Mbonambi, Oupa, Mtembu, Kolisi and Carr.
DA
Devil's AdvocatePro7,008 posts
02 Dec 2014, 17:02
#33
02 Dec 2014, 17:02#33

Agreed Dave

 

I just think there is more to behind the scenes than we know about, thats all I am saying.

 

When you read these autobiographies after these coaches leave at some point in their careers, it's interesting to hear how sometimes there hands are tied to some degree.

 

I do still think that SA coaches face far more  unique obstacles compared to other international coaches to a certain degree 

MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
02 Dec 2014, 18:13
#34
02 Dec 2014, 18:13#34
You have to be a tough guy to soldier on through all the BS. In the old days the provincial feuds were bad enough, but now the political element hovers over every coach. Mallett, Destroyli, the guy we had for about half a year, and PdV cracked under the strain. Rassie couldn't even take the heat at provincial level.....he scampered off to a staff job.
Being a leader in this environment is no picnic. Jake and HM have the resolve. That's where it ends.  It's a far better solution to support these coaches than to deep six them.Eddie Jones was an important plus in 2007. HM could do with a similar injection of world class smarts.
But make no mistake, in HM we have a stable, rugby savvy guy, with decent principles. We can build on that, we can also do a lot worse.
SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
02 Dec 2014, 18:34
#35
02 Dec 2014, 18:34#35

Gavin Rich's book "The Poison Chalice" is an eye opener - its about all the coaches post isolation.....he spent time with all of them. Meyer did not even want the job, he hates the attention it draws on his kids, they take flack for Bok losses through social media etc.


He wont stay post WC is my guess. Lets hope not  

DA
Devil's AdvocatePro7,008 posts
03 Dec 2014, 10:07
#36
03 Dec 2014, 10:07#36

I haven't read that Dave, will try to

 

As I said, we don't always know what happens behind the scenes which obviously hinders or affects the coach in some capacity.

 

Which is a pity really 

CL
CleanCutPro9,905 posts
03 Dec 2014, 10:13
#37
03 Dec 2014, 10:13#37
 
Yeah right!!!!

Conjuring excuses doesn't change the fact that he's incompetent.

He should do the right thing and resign now ... and while he's at it, take Victor with him.


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