BIbiltongbek
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05 Dec 2014, 00:34#2
WC squad is 31 players Saffex.
It will be three front rows and three halfbacks.
Beast, nyakane, Schalk v d Merwe, Bismarck, Adriaan, Coetzee, Jannie, Coenie, Frans, Eben Etzebeth, Pieter Steph du Toit, Flip v d Merwe, Duane Vermeulen, Nizaam Carr, Marcel Coetzee, Frans Louw, Willem Alberts, Cobus Reinach, Francois Hougaard, Fourie du Preez, Patrick Lambie, Handre Pollard, Johan Goosen, Jan Serfontein, Damien de Allende, Paul Jordaan, JJ Engelbrecht, Bryan Habana, Kobus van Wyk, Seobela Senatla, Willie le Roux
05 Dec 2014, 02:00#5
Loosehead = Beast / Nyankane / Schalk Van Der Merwe
Hooker= Bismarck / Strauss
Tighthead = Marcel / Redelinghuys
Locks = Willemse / Etzebeth / PSDT / Flip
Looseforwards = Louw / Coetzee / Arno / Carr / Brussow / Vermeulen
Scrumhalf = Du Preez / Reinach / Faf De Klerk
Flyhalf = Pollard / Goosen / Lambie
Center = Serfontein / De Allende / Hanekom
Wings = Habana / Senatla / JPP
Fullback = Willie / Kolbe
Plenty of other players could have filled a Looseforward spot.
SASaffolk
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SASaffolk Captain30,741 posts
05 Dec 2014, 02:00#6
The squads so far are better than anything Meyer will dish u p. 31 it is
BIbiltongbek
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05 Dec 2014, 07:49#7
I forgot about Arno Botha, will pick him in place of Willem if he is fit
CLclevermike
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05 Dec 2014, 11:57#8
I agree about the 31 man squad situation. However, there is a distribution of players which is important as well. The squad will include -
* 3 flyhals - that cn also cover other positions* 3 Scrummie* 3 hookers* 3 Tightheads* 3 Looseheads
The above makes up 15 players - the other 16 is to distributed amongst the other nine positions. The normally is made up of 4 Locks, 5 loosies, 3 wings, 3 centers, 1 Fullback.
Bering in mind tha in the abckline specifically some versatlity is needed my squad will be as follows:-
15 - Willie le Roux14 + 11 - Bryan Habana, Van Wyk, Senatla (Pietrsen)12 + 13 - Serfontein, De Allende, Engelbreach (Jordaan)10 - Pollard, Goosen, Lambie9 - Reinach, Du Preez, Pienaar (Luiters)8 - Duane Vermeulen7 - Arno Botha, Lappies Labuschagne6 - Louw, Coetzee4 + 5 - Etzebeth, Du Toit, Van der Merwe, De Jager (Willemse)3 - Malherbe, Van der Merwe, Oost huizen2 - Adrians Strauss, Du Plessis, Van der Merwe1 - Mtawarire, Nyakanse, Du Toit
I added in brackes the names of Pietrsen and Jordaan to the list - Pietersen should improve hi chances if he can improve his pace and start playing the rugby we have seen of him in the past. Jordaan can challenge strongly as well - especially since he can play in both center positions. Willemse is not making hay in France and he should have stayed if the Bulls if he wants to lay a claim.
Howevr, it largely depend on the return of injured players and how they do in Super 15 and the June tests.
I cannot see how some players can come back a fter poor eprformances in the alst tour. Those include Hogaard, Hendricks and Pietersen.
SASaffolk
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SASaffolk Captain30,741 posts
05 Dec 2014, 12:06#9
It's not about distribution of players select the 31 of your choice. If you only want one fly half for instance that's your choice. There is no set rule in squad se lections
SASaffolk
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SASaffolk Captain30,741 posts
05 Dec 2014, 12:08#10
Mike who is Esterhuizen at 3?
CLclevermike
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CLclevermikeCoach57,555 posts
05 Dec 2014, 12:19#11
Dave
Sorry - it should be Oosthuizen at 3
It is no use to select 31 players - without regard to the standar norm followed by the coaches in team selection. The distribution I put down has been applied by cxoaches for years now. You would end up with a totally unrealistic distribution of players. Please note that even the NH tour included elements of the above distribution - with elements added to make up 31 players.
SASaffolk
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SASaffolk Captain30,741 posts
05 Dec 2014, 12:27#12
Yeah but you don't have to take 6 props or 3 hookers for if you have any injuries the players can be replaced.
With my side I would have Taute, Sithole, Hanekom, Esterhuizen, Faf de Klerk, T. du Toit, Kitshoff, Cooper, Lewies, Kriel, CJ Stander and Mtembu on standby
sharkbok
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sharkbokCaptain23,290 posts
05 Dec 2014, 12:59#14
I like the look of Clevermikes team.
A list of Saffex favourites means half the team will be playing out of position. Their is allways going to be a large portion of the team without top level experience. Even if they have never stood out in the SuperXV, they will leap frog players who have.
Also some of the squad could have broken necks but they will still be on the plane.
My team
15 - Willie le Roux/Pat Lambie14 + 11 - Bryan Habana, Kolbe, Senatala (Pietrsen)12 + 13 - Serfontein, De Allende, JDV, Fat Steyn10 - Pollard, Goosen9 - Du Preez, Ruan Pienaar and Reinach, 8 - Duane Vermeulen7 - Arno Botha, Lappies Labuschagne6 - Louw, Coetzee4 + 5 - Matfield, Etzebeth, Du Toit, Van der Merwe,3 - Malherbe, Van der Merwe, Oosthuizen2 - Adrians Strauss, Du Plessis, 1 - Mtawarire, Nyakanse, Du Toit
05 Dec 2014, 13:26#16
IRB haven't existed since November......they are now World Rugby, Biltongbek.
So it is the World Rugby Rugby World Cup now
SASaffolk
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SASaffolk Captain30,741 posts
05 Dec 2014, 13:28#17
Becs give us your England 31 and remember we are assuming everyone is available so ignore injuries
05 Dec 2014, 13:36#18
Oh blimey.....that will take some thinking about ! I will do my best.....and then you can rip it to shreds like you always do
SASaffolk
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SASaffolk Captain30,741 posts
05 Dec 2014, 13:37#19
Ha ha - its your side not mine......so go in with the mind-set of stuff Dave!!
05 Dec 2014, 13:47#21
Oh, I always do go in with that mind set, Saffex But then you shout at me and tell me I am an imbecile It's very upsetting !
I know, Biltongbek....it's pathetic.....and the logo is ridiculous. How much do you think the re-branding cost ? I would have done it for them....cheap at half the price
BIbiltongbek
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05 Dec 2014, 13:49#22
Becs, imagine how many facilities they could have built in Madagascar with that money.
RORooinek
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RORooinekCaptain18,117 posts
05 Dec 2014, 13:55#23
15 Cheslin Kolbe, Willie le Roux
14 Seabelo Senatla, JP Pietersen
13 Damian de Allende, Juan de Jongh
12 Jan Serfontein
11 Bryan Habana,
10 Handre Pollard, Pat Lambie
9. Fourie du Preez, Cobus Reinach, Francois Hougaard
8. Duane Vermeulen, Arno Botha
7. Nizaam Carr, Willem Alberts
6. Marcel Coetzee, Jaco Kriel
5. Pieter-Steph du Toit, Paul Willemse
4. Eben Etzebeth, Flip van der Merwe
3. Frans Malherbe, Marcel van der Merwe, Coenie Oosthuizen
2. Bismarck du Plessis, Adriaan Strauss
1. Beast Mtawarira, Thomas du Toit, Trevor Nyakane
SASaffolk
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SASaffolk Captain30,741 posts
05 Dec 2014, 14:34#24
Nice squad Rooi for the most
RORooinek
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RORooinekCaptain18,117 posts
05 Dec 2014, 14:43#25
Well, I know you're not a Juan de Jongh fan and I know you only see Cheslin Kolbe as a wing but that's pretty close to the side I'd pick. If we had better wings then I'd dump Habana and have only locally based players in my squad. It would mean I'd lose Arno Botha as well but that's a small sacrifice.
Three players I really wanted to include but couldn't find a spot for them were J acques du Plessis, Paul Jordaan and Akker van der Merwe.
CLclevermike
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CLclevermikeCoach57,555 posts
05 Dec 2014, 14:43#26
Sharkbok
Three observations. Kolbe is playing scrummie for the 7's. He gets run over easily by bigger players. I like the youngester - but eh is way too small forinternational rugby.
I do not think De Villiers will be able to make a comeback in time to feature in the WC - if not able to do so, he will likely retire from the game altogether.
You cannot be serious about Francois Steyn - he was a dead loss in Super 15 - too slow and he messed up both in attacking and defensove play. This guy has gone backwards in leaps and bounds and his selection would be a serious mistake.
Willem Alberts at 7 - when do you think he will become a loosie _ which he is not. He is absolutely useless in ball protection and recovery and desperately poor in ball skills. Since his defense is also iffy - why do we need him?
Matfield - don't you think we need a player who has a serious negative impact on the performance of our Tight 5 in the team?
05 Dec 2014, 14:49#27
I just think they could have done a lot of useful things with that money, Biltongbek.
They probably think they could have spent it better on a few more jollies !
It is a crazy world we live in, the rugby world of World Rugby !
AGAgPleezDeddy
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07 Dec 2014, 00:39#29
Wouldn't mind any of these squads, unfortunately we won't see anything like it!
Mine would be:
15: Willie Le Roux, Cheslin Kolbe
14/11: Habana, Senatla, Hendricks (possibly JP)
13: JJ, De Allende
12: Serfontein, Frans
10: Pollard, Lambie
9: Fourie Du Preez, Hougaard, Reinach
8/7/6: Vermuelen, Carr, Coetzee, Louw, Botha
5: PSDT, Willemse
4: Etzebeth, Flip
3: Jannie, Marcel v/d Merwe, Coenie
2: Bismarck, Strauss
1: Beast, Trevor
