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Sharks beat Toulouse 31-17

Started by clevermike9 REPLIES533 VIEWS· 11 Feb 2016, 23:43
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
11 Feb 2016, 23:43
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11 Feb 2016, 23:43#1
I would not say that this was the strongest Sharks team - but the commentator was constantly talking about the speed at which the Sharks played the game and the fact that they scored 3 tries against 2 was evidence that they did play well.  
Willie le Roux was very good at full back and Coetzee was by some distance the best player on the field of play.
The Sharks defense was outstanding and they were outstanding when under pressure.
The Sharks major problem was with their scrums - especially in the second half.   Toulouse did the Sharks a favour by playing Gurthro Steenkamp as prop in the first half.  Believe me he is fatter than he used to be and twice as useless.
Now lets get back to the comments of the commentator.  He said the Sharks played quick and running rugby taking the ball wide frequently.  he referred to the difference between NH and SH rugby and said it was evident that the Sharks deserve their victory since they played SH rugby.  
This may teach Mozart and his cohorts a lesson - "stampkar" rugby does not work.
Although all players played well - I would not call April a house on fire,  And the guy Johan Deysel was also not a hot player.  I would say that in the backline Le Roux and Sithole were outstanding.  Among the forwards I would say Coetzee stood out - he was phenominal.   
       
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
12 Feb 2016, 00:01
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12 Feb 2016, 00:01#2
 By the way I need to add - the biggest advantage the Sharks gained this year  was that there backline performed excellently and the fact that Fat Fransie was not there to bugger up backline play.
  
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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
12 Feb 2016, 03:00
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12 Feb 2016, 03:00#3
 Four Toulouse starters and one sub in the French team for Saturday....the best third of Toulouse absent. Nah, I'm not taking this too seriously.
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
12 Feb 2016, 03:29
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12 Feb 2016, 03:29#4
The Sharks selected their second- line players bar Le Roux for this game - but they still beat a Toulouse team with only their internationals missing.   Most of the  Sharks team consisted of players most people have never heard of before,  They did not beat them - they embarrassed them.   
This was a second pre-season game for the Sharks after a lengthy break - Toulouse was in mid-season.
Toulouse without their internationals - ie the same team that played the Sharks last night - will play Monpellier in two weeks time,   It would be interesting to see what happens then.   If they beat Monpellier it would illustrate also how much damage White did to the Sharks and is doing now to Montpellier.     Passing an opinion on a game you have not seen - that is foolish,   
By the way the two games against Toulon and Toulouse showed what massive damage Fat Fransie inflicted on the Sharks backline in 2014 and 2015         
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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
12 Feb 2016, 03:56
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12 Feb 2016, 03:56#5
Now didn't you say exactly the same thing just before the Frans deprived Sharks went on a 5 or 6 match losing streak in 2015.  They will flop again. 
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
12 Feb 2016, 04:09
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12 Feb 2016, 04:09#6
 I said nothing about the Sharks last year - but how poor they were.   There is no way that White did not damage the Sharks team by playing Fat Fransie in the backline and Gold did the same last year.   Fat Fransie destroyed the Sharks backline - the moment he was gone the backline started to function as they did in the last two matches,   
However, Super Rugby is so far above the level of  "stampkar" rugby - so admired y you - played in the NH that I do not rate the Sharks as a team this year as well.

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
12 Feb 2016, 05:58
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12 Feb 2016, 05:58#7
 White 'did not damage the Sharks team by playing Fat Fransie'...agreed. But then you say the moment he was gone the Sharks performed. Actually the moment Frans was gone they plunged into a 6 game losing streak.

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
12 Feb 2016, 06:24
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12 Feb 2016, 06:24#8
Fat Fransie was part of the loss of the Sharks against the Stormers when De Allende played the fool with him.  But that was not all.  A team cannot play without using its backline - and that is where Fat Fransie sabotaged the team.
However, you are a proponent of "Stampkar" rugby where backlines have no role - but to defend.  You apparently does not realize that the said form of rugby is a dead end and a disaster.   Fransie destroyed any potential attacking play by the Sharks backline.
However, let me remind you that Fransie's contract with the Sharks expired last year and the Sharks made no effort to renew the contract - they realized he was useless and a saboteur of backline play.    They rather contracted Johan Deysel at center than useless and slow Fransie and Deysel is not even their no 1 inside center,
There was a rumour that Fat Fransie was going to Monpellier to join White - but he is apparently not at Monpellier - since after his stint with Racing Metro - who made no effort to renew his contract when  it expired because he was useless - it would be virtually impossible for White to get the approval of the owner of the Club to contract him.
Montpellier was no better this Top 14 when they were last year  even with White as coach and as I said - it would be interesting to see what Toulouse do to them when they play them in 14 days time.      
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
12 Feb 2016, 10:34
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12 Feb 2016, 10:34#9
Mozart
Here sis the match report on the Toulouse match last night:-
"The Cell C Sharks were looking forward to a transitional season when 2016 started, but they will return from an impressive pre-season tour of France with justification or feeling a lot more ambitious about their Vodacom Super Rugby chances than they may have been when they left South Africa.

After beating Toulon in their opening match last week, a mostly second string Sharks team followed up with an encouraging 34-17 win over Toulouse on Thursday night.

Toulouse were below strength but a lot less so than the Sharks were, and they had the advantage when it came to experience, so the way the Sharks outplayed them for much of the game came as a surprise.

An early try from wing S’bura Sithole set the tone, with the Sharks clearly stunning their opponents with the pace with which they played the game, and their willingness to play the ball wide and even employ the off-load, in the first half.

The biggest and most noticeable change to the current Sharks outfit in comparison to last year’s team though is the intensity of the defensive effort and approach to the breakdown.

Clearly former Italy and Southern Kings defence coach Omar Mounmeine has had a big impact on the young Sharks players in the off-season, with the Durbanites hitting the breakdowns and the tackle situation with frightening intensity.

The Sharks only had two or three anticipated first choice players on the field, but you could have fooled the Toulouse crowd, who were stunned into silence until the second half, which was when the rolling substitutions brought the hosts back into the game.

That though was when the Sharks’ defensive commitment and organisation really clicked in, with Toulouse being repelled when repeatedly it looked as though they surely had to score.

That forced Toulouse to become frustrated and the Sharks punished their indiscipline late in the game.

Marcell Coetzee, one of the few first choices, led the team magnificently, with his play at openside flank playing a big role in securing the quick ball that had the Toulouse defence floundering in the first 40 minutes.

Coetzee also played a role in slowing down the Toulouse ball when the French club team was attacking after halftime.

IMPRESSIVE PERFORMANCE

But we all know about Coetzee’s class so perhaps the most noteworthy performance came from young flyhalf Garth April.

The former Cape club and Lions youth pivot missed some place kicks early in the game that might have made the end winning margin even more one sided in favour of the Sharks, but he made up for it with some pinpoint pressure kicks later in the game.

It was in general play though that April was most impressive. His field kicking was pinpoint and so was his decision making.

He capped his encouraging performance by scoring the second try after former Canterbury Crusaders hooker Corey Flynn had put in a good pass after Gurthro Steenkamp had effected a turn-over to draw Toulouse back into the game with an Alexis Pallison try.

April added a conversion and to his try and then kicked a penalty to make it 18-10 to the Sharks at halftime, and then shortly after the break an accurate though well placed grubber infield put another of the impressive new Sharks on the night, Namibian World Cup centre Johan Deysel, in for a try that made it 25-10.

The substitutions saw a reversal of momentum after halftime, but in the first half the inexperienced Sharks scrumming pack was impressive, getting at least parity most of the way while also exerting pressure at crucial stages.

There were also some key touches in the lineout, with the lineout drive functioning well, and young lock Dave McDuling is growing as a player and is starting to look like an astute signing for the Durban union."

Talking of signings, former Bok scrumhalf Michael Claassens, who arrived in Durban from England during the last Currie Cup season, was classy, and Willie le Roux showed what the injection of his unpredictability from fullback could do for the team.

All in all it was a highly impressive performance and when you lump it together with what they did to Toulon a few days ago, it is starting to look as though long suffering Kings Park patrons might have reason to feel more enthusiastic about the coming months.

The second Toulouse try was scored by Flynn and momentarily the French side was back in the game with an eight point deficit, but in an ill-tempered last quarter of an hour April punished the Toulouse lack of discipline with three well taken penalties.

Etienne Oosthuizen went off in the first half to be replaced by Jean-luc du Preez, who made a solid contribution, but otherwise unlike the Toulon game, when they lost Patrick Lambie, this time the Sharks' win didn't appear to be marred by any major injury concerns.

Of course that will have to be confirmed once the bumps and bruises have been assessed on Friday.

The Sharks open their Vodacom Super Rugby campaign against the Southern Kings in Port Elizabeth on 27 February."

Please note the highlighted passages above.  Toulouse was weakened by the absence of their internationals - but the Sharks were much more weakened by virtually playing their "B" team against them.  

Please also take note what was said about the usage of the backline - taking the ball wide - which never happened last year because of Fat Fransie.  There defence was much better as well - not a missed tackle ratio of over 26% - like the case was with Fat Fransie.

I must agree with the article - Gold's new assistant coaches made a huge improvement with the team.   

  

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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
15 Feb 2016, 00:42
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15 Feb 2016, 00:42#10
Moffie you dumb fuck.....it was the Sharks B side who beat a mixed A/B Toulouse side.....do some research before opening your ignorant gob next time......oh I forgot.....you like to pass comment on games you never seen......you are special of course.....I almost forgot
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