Should South Africa join the 6 nations

Looks like SA rugby is itching to move away from SANZAR and only  committed until 2025. I believe there are advance discussions with the northern teams, 

But would it mean for our rugby? 

We already have our 4 franchises in the URC. 

We play at least 7 to 8 games against European teams each year. 

I'm not that fond of watching us play Wales 3 teams in an end of year tour with 2nd string players. 

So in fact we would actually play European teams 6 times. No fancy tours for 3 weeks. 

Then we play our southern hemisphere counter parts 6 times, 2 Aus, 2  Arg and 2 NZ. 

I would far rather see old school tours. 

So the boks could play all the tier 1 nations in a single yea and at their best. 

6 NH and 6 SH which gives us 12 test matches there will be no need for an end of year tour which will give our players a well deserve break, allow them to continue to pick up lucrative contracts. 

So for me it is a win win rather than waiting until Nov / Dec with a depleted squad. 

So then we have no NH tours….and I suppose we tour NZ and Oz in June. And there will be years when we don’t play NZ at all.

It was absolutely fine the way it was, until they over expanded Super Rugby.

6N and 4N both...plus room for a NH tour to our shores...we only need to scale down the November tour of the NH...win win.

M, we were kicked out for a reason...things can never go back to where it were, but we can improve and build something better...we are in a position of weakness ATM, due to covid and having nowhere to go after being kicked out of SR...things will change...next year, one of our teams wil play in the European Cup... on a different level. Old Heineken Cup...the exposure can only do us good...some day soon, the Kiwi sides will beg us to come back...they need us just as much as we need them...maybe more...

NO !!!

And that’s the other problem, we aren’t wanted up north.

"And that’s the other problem, we aren’t wanted up north."

Apparently we're  not wanted down under either. Although I don't like the Idea of being included in the 6N, we could benifit from playing their teams a bit more...

Well, we use to have the north vs south and all of us were very happy to show how strong the southern hemisphere teams are and that we produce the best brand of rugby. 

Unfortunately, not since Nick Mallet have we produced really entertaining rugby at Test Level. Johan Ackerman got the lions to play really expansive and well with no name brand players but fell short in the finals, twice. We had the Meyer / Ludeke years at the bulls and the did play a good brand of rugby, Not to mention the Cheetahs. 

But in rolled Rassie with his around the corner run and smash brand of rugby. 

Rassie made us ultra conservative. If you look at the skills in our URC teams and the  amount of drop passes. It is almost criminal. 

SANZAR screwed up over greed. Argetina and Japan was a step too far. Having the bargies play in the tri-nations also messed up the balance. 

NZ and Australia are obsessed with their kissing cousins bledisloe cup. 

Now we have the European teams that are more professional, the Irish teams are performing well and now France, England and Ireland are the teams to beat. Scotland can spring a surprise and Wales, when the can, can also beat some of the top teams. 

NZ will always be competitive, for some reason Australia blows hot and cold. They will suck for 7 games but string 3 amazing games together before it all implodes again. 

But I believe SA rugby is regressing, the only thing that can work is to get more money into SA so that we can keep our players. We did really well when all of our Super Rugby teams were loaded with quality players.

One thing that they did do well is to limit the size of squads and how much teams can spend, but the latter is hurting us right now, but as shown, the unions have throwing money away. Purely based on SA still being run by amateurs. Time to get rid of these guys. 

So we still have a lot of work together, but for now, I think our future is north so that we can rebuild our reserves and sort out our player drain.  

In a perfect world I would love to go back to the super 15 and the Tri-Nations

MPower, I have to agree. I think Stick is there to help with when the play breaks down and how to counter. This is where we have scored all of our tries. How the players can bounce up and get in the right place. If you look at the Blitzboks you'll see this, but credit must go to Powel. 

Swys is the coach we need, but now we got some window dressing appease the powers that be. 

Not that Stick can't coach, but I think he would benefit with a few years at currie cup and then maybe a URC team. He did well as head coach for EP U21 where they won their tournament. Which is unheard of for EP. 

But Rassie needs to work on Variation, kick less of these dumb bombs and try get the ball through the hands. 

I like how Ireland and the irish teams play, they are very smart, quick with their short passes. A lot of teams struggle to cope with this. It also takes the risk out because Ireland has about 5 options around the ball carrier, so even if gets dropped, there is a player behind to scoop it up. But short passes are low risk.

The key is, they also stand very deep, the way all players run and the shape of their body, so they are always ready to take a gab our load up a smash or use a player as a screen. This all work really fast, so the players struggle to mark a player or tackle when the ball is gone. Not that it is the only option but very effective 

Mpower my saying no has nothing to do with your alleged greatness. 

Many of us here just don’t want you, simple as that ! 

It seems to be that whatever competition they will end up in is going to be a disaster.

If the join the current six nations, it won't be long before the moaning and whinging commences  again.

They are not fearing well in the URC and alot in the UK who are very unhappy with their involvement.

Haha @ Becs ' emphatic NO.

It seems we are as popular as a pork chop in Jerusalem...Becs I thought you liked us...I guess it might have something to do with Saffex

Jokes aside I think the URC is sufficient and the 6 Nations is holy ground...we certainly won't be popular if we tread there. Would like to see the old Super Rugby structure with limited sides back in place...4 franchises from NZ, Australia and SA each.

Maybe Los Jaguares and Sunwolves could challenge the tailenders each year to qualify for the next year to keep the challenge open. Of course there will have to be some adjustments.

I do like you all, Seb ! You’re my second favourite team. 

A statement today from the 6 Nations, CVC etc has stated there are no plans to remove a team nor add one. So the discussion is moot from here on in

There’s also the fact that the powers that be claim the Lions will not tour SA again if they joined the 6 Nations. So SA would lose a lot of money if that were the case. 

"I do like you all, Seb ! You’re my second favourite team. 

A statement today from the 6 Nations, CVC etc has stated there are no plans to remove a team nor add one. So the discussion is moot from here on in "

The 6 nations are already too big...7 would spoil it.

Woodward: 'Brainless' to add to Boks to Six Nations | Rugby365

I wouldn't like it if we get added at the cost of losing Italy and adding more teams will make it too big and lopsided. 

Sir Clive has got his priorities right. The rugby union game must come first and it's priority is to protect the developement of the game. as a whole.We understand that the game is becoming big business but this must not blur it's vision and yes Italy is important and so is developing Tier 2 and 3 rugby nations, especially in Europe, ie Georgia who will be a force one day. The weaker sides need exposure to their stronger brothers so they can get better. Years ago we laughed at Japan but that is no longer the case now.

Well, I wouldn't listen to Woodward much. He is columnist and a punter who gets paid to write and say provoking statements. 

Just think for a moment what our Rugby Calendar looks like right now. All of our teams play in Europe now in different part of the year. If we were still in Super Rugby it would not make sense at it would have interfered with the start of our season. 

The 6 Nations are played over 6 weeks between Feb and March. We use to start our Super Rugby in Feb. So it makes no difference but instead our guys are now playing from September. 

So our International Calendar would actually work way better for the boks. I would say that we should scrap the Autumn tours or Nov December tours.

So our Rugby Calendar can look like the following 

Feb - Eng

Feb - Sco

Feb - Ita

Mar - Wal

Mar - Ire

Mar - Fra

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Apr - Club

May - Club

June - Rest

Jul - Rest

Jul - Warm up test

Jul - Warm up test

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Aug - NZ

Aug - NZ

Aug - Arg

Sep - Arg

Sep - Aus

Sep - Aus

That are 12 games against the top teams in the world. 

Two matches can be thrown in to take it up to 14 if SA want to do a 3 match test series or have a few warm up games against tier two teams. 

Given that the last game of European club teams end in May which leave June and July for players to rest. If anything, the championship can be brought forward.