Well done Boks.
England only in the game for about ten or so minutes in total.
Sickler's injury was huge.
If there was ever gonna be any parity at scrum his presence would have been required.
It put England under huge pressure and combined with the clear switch up in tactics from Rassie, England simply looked unrecoverable almost throughout.
Very happy for the Boks but also a tad sad for Sinckler.
I'm off to get hammered.
Lek ker Boks!
Yeah it was bad but you gotta take those on the chin. Those kicks kept us in our half and ate up the clock. How many penalties at the scrum??? Loads. It took us out of the game and then you guys eventually scored some tries. There were some bad cals to rub salt into the wound but overall ref was pretty good. Just not our day.
There was a comment during the time when Sinckler laid on the grass that Cole was a b etter scrummager than Sinckler - but the latter was a better ball carrier and defender, That be the case I believe that Sinckler would have been a worse disaster in scrumming than Cole was.
if Sinckler was a monster scrummager he hid it very well. No as said above his strength is his mobility not scrummaging. .
Scrumming wasn't the Poms' onlu problem.
Plum I agree - this incident 2mins into the GF was a massive blow to poms.
Not necessarily just due to his ability as a tighthead but more that it sent a shock wave through their team preparations and their leadership in forward pack probably lacking a little.
Saffex - I hear what you are saying about cole - but the fact that their starting front row was replaced 2mins into the game is huge disruption...
Also at training it would be the starting front row packing down against the reserve bench front row. Sinckler is use to his front row partners... so would Cole be...
The fact incident was friendly fire hurts the poms more - but 100% plum this incident definitely went a long way to throwing the poms into disarray....... and helped in outcome of the game... no question.
'The Beast made Mako his bunny'.....hard to do given they were on opposite sides of the scrum. This is probably a bit challenging, but all is revealed in my string on scrums.
Oops, it was the tighthead that was replaced- Sinclare. It was Malherbe that moered Mako.
However, Rassie is like Meyer in that he often replaces both props at the same time. So it is not always easy to see which prop is having the most effect- unless the scrum wheels, or collapses from one side all of the time.
The English scrum did improve when Marler entered the fray- and Mako left the pitch.
However, because both Bok props left the field in the 43rd minute- it is not clear how much better the starting Bok front row was better than the Bomb squad front row, or the % of the effect by Beast vs Malherbe
No worries Shark.....understandable.....I'd forget about that Pilot's license though.
Sinckler wasn't replaced by a superior player or scrumager.
Lood and Bongi were.
Having to replace Sinckler completely upset the balance of the Eng scrum. That's why their scrum briefly looked better when Cole's partner came on later in the piece.
The Bok's scrum never dominated any tier 1 nation at the WC or the RC this year like they dominated Eng in this final.
Thinking that Sinckler's departure and Coles being forced into an 80 minute game had nothing to do with it doesn't jive.
Plum
You are welcome to your opinion of course - but facts are that Cole us regarded by England as the better scrummager than Sinckler is - but the latter is better in other facets of the game.
The other aspects I am not sure about is your statement "The Bok's scrum never dominated any tier 1 nation at the WC or the RC this year like they dominated Eng in this final. "
It is to my mind a fact that the Springboks in all cases dominated the opposing team in scrumming, Perhaps not as badly as they did on Saturday - but then one has to bear in mind that the Springboks in all components of the game put in a better performance than in other games in the WC. The same extra effort was not confined to scrumming only - so if it happened to Coles - it would most definitely also have happened to Sinckler.
The other aspects I am not sure about is your statement "The Bok's scrum never dominated any tier 1 nation at the WC or the RC this year like they dominated Eng in this final. "
"It is to my mind a fact that the Springboks in all cases dominated the opposing team in scrumming, Perhaps not as badly as they did on Saturday"
Ok, do tell what point you're trying to make?
Are you just repeating what I'm saying?
Also, if Cole was a better Partner for Mako, then Eddie Jones would start him.
Unless of course you think that failing to achieve balance with your props is not key to successful scrum.
Having consulted my info, Meyer didn't actually have a tendency to replace both props simultaneously. He replaced both props at the same time against Japan, and within a minute of each other in the win over Argentina in 2015. Quite often ten or fifteen minutes apart. This season Meyer has often subbed both within three-to-five minutes of each other. How this relates to effective scrumming etc I'll leave for others to discuss. I'm just putting this out there.
Well - lets accept one thing - as proven as coach of the Springboks and now confirmed at Stade Francais - Meyer was a useless and inadequate coach, So why refer to him at all?
Better forget the "dark age" when he was coaching the Springboks,
Because Her Haifisch mentioned him you obszczymurek. Besides, why forget the last great tactician we ever had?
Tactician?????????? When did that happen - one thing Meyer without any discernable game plan at all can never be accused of, LMAO
"one thing Meyer without any discernable game plan at all can never be accused of"
Can syntax use please you proper? Todah
As to Mostert will be 29 years old this month and I do believe that the WC Final is the last test he played for the Springboks. He has serious problems in performance. due to physical deficiency problems. In any event Erasmus will look at younger players to prepare them for the next WC and one is Schickerling.
One can only wish him the best for the future, but I do not think it will be in the Springbok team.
Saffex, heart means more to me than it does to most.
That's why I supported Faf when most agreed with Coetzee dropping him "because his pass was average". It's why I continued to support Eben even though I felt he was a poser. It's why I prefer Am to Kriel even though Kriel is supposedly a superior athlete.
It's why I'll support Mostert until he retires. He has the biggest heart of them all.
So maybe my preference of him over Lood is a tad irrational. That ain't gonna change.
England's scrum was not dominated like this by us or by anyone else in the last two years. And we've not dominated anyone(tier 1) else like that at scrum time since, geez, can you remember an occasion? I can't.
This in a game where Sinckler leaves the field in the first three minutes.
Sinckler is a better ball player than Cole, sure. But your suggestion is that had he not went off, we'd have done even better at scrum time?
Nah man. To me, they lost their balance up front and that is what contributed the most to their crumbling scrum.
So I guess the underlying question is, how important is balance in a front row combination?
If I knew rugby as well as I do cricket, I'd probably know the answer
Lomp is a 20 minute player then he fades....Stephanie saves energy and puts out in the second half ......Mostert is a 90 minute dynamo, doing something to help his team every minute.
"If he only put 10kg of muscle on"
You can tell he never worked out in his life. Mostert improved the side when he replaced Lood.
Mostert was the leading tackler in the goal line stand....got Vunipola twice.
Plum
Just a bit of advice - the key to the balance in the scrum is the hooker. That is why refs always address the hooker first and only talk to the props if the problem persists,
Mozart
Good for Mostert - but I have no doubt that De Jager would have made a much stronger tackle than Mostert is capable of. It has been proved conclusively that De Jager is physically much stronger than Mostert - hence my comments.
Mozart
How did De Jager manage to make 13 tackles in 20 minutes in the Wales game? That is another amazing and ignorant statement by you. He always played longer before substitution than Etzebeth does. If he only played for twenty minutes he would have been substituted earlier than Etzebeth.
Please keep to facts and steer clear of prejudice.
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Itoje is a better version of Stephanie.....faster, more agile, a better lineout forward, a better passer, better fetcher.... but Itoje is crap and Stephanie is great.
Mostert tackles more and more securely than Steph....but he's crap.
So what does Steph do.....break tackles, nope.....turnover balls on the deck, nope.....jump securely on his own ball, nope.
It's inexplicable but a false consensus has formed about this perfectly ordinary player. Snyman is much more talented, if only he didn't look like a Boer War general.
Steph and Lood were like treacle as ball carriers. It was up to Thor and Eben to take through our final two games - which just so happened to be our first credible opposition since the loss to New Zealand, which also showcased Steph's poor defence. Steph is lauded as the best breakdown threat in the world. I have yet to see anything of that. Pushed aside in the first half of the final. What turnovers? He is a myth. Lood is a myth as well. The production is as it is.
Snyman's carries to close out the game were magnificent. Perfectly showcasing everything Steph and Lood lack. In my view, he is the most complete lock in world rugby.
A reason, but not a good reason....Mostert did for 70 minutes what Lomp couldn't do for 10 minutes.
Lomp was monstered and bounced off so badly in the tackle, he hurt himself. And he left just about on cue. Typically he plays for about 20 minutes, then the shoulders slump, the hair falls in his face and he lomps after the play. Hence Lomp....not fit to tie Mostert's boot laces.
