Sinckler injury was fatal

SB

Fact is that we have two members on site who cannot stand the fact that the Springboks coached by Erasmus won the WC and gives no credit to Erasmus for anything, while on all-out attack against the players they normally attack.   

Du Toit by 2016 played about 3 tests as a loosie and it was only after Erasmus requested the  Stormers to move him to 7 that he really became the permanent pick of Erasmus at 7.   Erasmus - himself as a top class loosie in his playing career - was obviously responsible for the real improvement in his performances.

Duplication

...Or maybe can all just admit that every one of those players deserved their win.

If any one of you were the parent of any one of the players you'd be exploding with pride.

I'm proud of all of them and super stoked that we won in the final. 

Especially the way we did it. 

Every achievement in life has an element of luck to it. Life is built on chance and co-incidence.

Why dwell on it?

We did well. Rassie has improved the side and the boys are playing for the jersey. They're all warriors and put their bodies on the line against the best team in the world. And they smashed em.

What more can we ask for?

I've watched the game five times already haha

"Fact is that we have two members on site who cannot stand the fact that the Springboks coached by Erasmus won the WC and gives no credit to Erasmus for anything, while on all-out attack against the players they normally attack."

Lügnerin, you are flailing around like a drunk. Settle your thoughts, quieten your tongues and open your eyes. You use exaggerated language which reveals your unstable and irrational emotional state. I credited them for what they did. However, I have discussed various aspects things that have been stated by other posters, the media etc. Things which are not true: 

1. Rassie changed the entire gameplan for the final. That's not true.
2. The Boks attacking game ball-in-hand has improved. No it hasn't.
3. Rassie has advanced the Bok game. No he hasn't.
4. Steph is the best player in the world. No he isn't. 
5. Damian has all of a sudden "discovered himself". No, he hasn't.
6. Lood was an integral Bok. He wasn't. 

I am really amazed at what the two BSters come up with,  All the 6 things AO mentioned is unadulterated BS and exact opposite what actually  happened.

According to him Meyer - a total failure even on club level - is the best coach the Springboks had for years,   He had according to AO a phenomenal game plan nobody bar him saw happening in games.   

How childish can Mozart and AO become?   Nothing is beyond them and lies and deception are two good tools they prefer to use.         

Yes ... I agree. Losing their best tighthead within minutes upset them in more ways than one. It wasn’t just losing him that rattled them, but the manner in which he was lost. He was completely knocked out ... and there were even fears of a possible broken neck.

It was viewed as a bad omen and infected the entire team. The English were suddenly inaccurate in everything they did. They were not the same team that demolished the All Blacks.

They lost the match at that very moment. Even though they tried, they weren’t able to regain their composure. I had hopes that Eddie would settle them at the break.

Cole is by no means their best scrummager. Stupid Dave has his head up his backside ... as usual. He was born and bred a moron ... it can’t be helped. He’s doing the best he can with the limited brain capacity inherited from his mommy.

The best team in the world lost the match, rather than being beaten by a better side.

Everything went wrong for them. Kicking the ball directly into touch ... passing the ball behind players ... passing into touch ... running into each other ... no communication in receiving the high ball ... it was so uncharacteristic of them ... total shambles.

They lost the match to a team that had no right being in the final and it all began with Sinckler.

A very sad day indeed.

"...exact opposite what actually  happened."

Really, you have yet to ascertain how this is so. You have yet to show me one instance of Steph's mythical production. Where is it? Moz already highlighted the poor play of Damian, inside the first six minutes alone! No Lügnerin. These are very well established facts. The fact that you cannot even vaguely refute theses points says it all. You are wrong, you have nothing. It's over. 

CC

Unbelievable - even the English commentator said that Sinckler is not as good a scrummager as Cole is and that sounds to me as if he knows what he is talking about.    However, it was Itoje that caused the knock-out of Sinckler - not the Springboks.   Hs elbow hit Sinckler on the chin in an joint tackle attempt on Mapimpi and it knocked out Sinckler - so even if the replacement was a disaster - the English team did themselves in in that case.    

I think that most of the problems you refer to was due to pressure that the English players were subjected to,   England does not really have a good record against the Springboks during 2018 and 2019 and I was not really surprised about the fact that the Springboks won the game.   What really surprised me was the size of the  winning margin.  I may add that none of the thousands of participants in  Superbru predicted a Springbok win by 20 points - so I am not alone in  predicting a narrow margin win by the Springboks.

Sorry but I believe that the "best team in the world" you mentioned  is rather an over-description of the English team achievements.   Anyway they are at present rated as the third ranked team in the world and until they can up that ranking to 1 they cannot be regarded logically the "best team in the world" 

I know your attitude about quota selections and I intensely dislike such selections myself.  However, there are serious question marks about some players  - but I am convinced that most of the players of colour in the starting line-up are in fact not quota selections - they are in the team on merit and deserve being in the team.  Here I think of Kolbe, Mapimpi, Am and Beast for instance.          

The two tries scored by Mapimpi and Kolbe - the first tries scored by any of the Springbok teams winning the world cup in the finals  - were brilliantly executed and I believe regarded as such by most people.

In essence  I believe quota selection is total BS - but have no problem with selection of any  players based on merit. 

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Yes Mike ... I am aware of what happened. Believe it or not but I did watch the match ... so please save the lecture.  

The Goats are ranked as top dogs currently. That however doesn't mean that they are the best team on the planet. I know you are desperate enough to believe this ... just as you are desperate enough to rate Du Toit as the world's best ... but sadly you are well known for suffering with delusions.

Seeing things that aren't there is synonymous with you, Mike ... that and blatantly ignoring things by pretending that they don't exist ... even though it's clear for all to see ... is also part of your make up.

I am glad for you, Mike. Things went your way. The Goats won the cup. Your favourite coach is coach of the year ... your favourite player is now regarded as the world's best ... and your favourite quota riddled team is now looked upon as the best team of the year. .

You have the right to give us all the "I told you so" ... so enjoy.

I however, am not celebrating with you. I see things completely differently to how you see them.

Rassie is not the best coach on the planet and doesn't deserve the award ... Du Toit is not the best player on the planet and doesn't deserve the award ... and finally ... the Goats are not the best team of the year and do not deserve the award.

See the difference?

AO

That is total BS by you in your deranged mindset.  Are you really not ashamed about distorting things.   Get real for a change and accept that superior coaching and hard work by all team members with superior skill sets  won the Webb Ellis trophy,   No distorted figures of yours will change that.   

*   The Springboks won the WC

*    The Springboks were the team of the Year

*    Erasmus was the Coach of the Year

*    Du Toit was the Player of the Year

Unless you accept real facts - you are crazy.   

CC

Some reasons for your comments would be sincerely appreciated.     

Huh?

Explain?

Please more explanation as to the following:-

"Rassie is not the best coach on the planet and doesn't deserve the award ... Du Toit is not the best player on the planet and doesn't deserve the award ... and finally ... the Goats are not the best team of the year and do not deserve the award."

Please keep to facts if you don't mind -

*   What was the comparative record of the other coaches in 2019?

*    Who did the selection of the player and coach of the year and why do you know better than the eight experts involved.  

Well .. where do I begin?

What did Du Toit do to earn the best player of YEAR award?

What did Rassie do to earn the best coach of the YEAR award.?

What did the Goats do to earn the best team of the YEAR award?

Personally ... Japan should have won the team of the year award. They have made massive strides over the year ... competing against great odds ... and coming out winners in almost every aspect.

Jamie Joseph should have won the coach of the year award. He led his charges to great victories over Ireland and Scotland and pushed the Goats to the wire in a match that was flawed by poor reffing.

Anyone of Himeno, Horie, Lappies, Matsushima and Nigate were better options as best player of the year.

Does that answer your question?   

Thanks for your explanation - but it contains big holes.  I was very happy to see you rate Labuschagne - always said that Meyer was a total idiot to ignore him.

Yes - Japan did very well and that is a fact.  But they lost two matches against SA by wide margins and that reduced their chances of being the team of the year and also the chance of Joseph . 

My problem is that  there was a group of eight players with huge experience in playing test rugby and they selected the team, coach and players to get awards.   In essence for me there is a problem - since we do not know how they arrived at the decisions pertaining to the awards,   Whatever they decided on must be based on  merit  - without prejudice playing a role.  Only one representative on the panel is a South African - the rest are from the other top rugby playing countries in the world.  However, I do not know on what they base their decisions - neither do you.

Whatever made them to decide on the Awards may result in people from outside queering their decisions - but in the end the decisions were made by them and them alone.   I am afraid that we can all express reservations about their choices - but such reservations in the end counts for nothing - since decisions will not be changed,    .  .      

Dave

What the site idiots ignore totally is the point differences between finalists:

1987      -    Difference   =    20 points

1999      -    Difference   =     23 points

2019      -    Difference   =     20 points

It is rare to see winning margins of more than 10 points,   Aside from the above on the 2015 WC final when the AB's beat the Wallabies.   So in five out of the 9 WC played the difference in points were between 1 and 9 points.  

Looking at the above - one can put the issue of winning margins really in perspective.   The 2019 result was one of the three highest point difference scores in WC finals and anybody not appreciating that is talking utter tripe