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Six Nations would be a happier home for Springboks

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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
25 Aug 2021, 14:37
#1
25 Aug 2021, 14:37#1

Yes Oaks it seems we will soon be done with the RC as well. The kiwis can only blame themselves of course.  But all is not lost for hem as as the Mighty Boks may still give them a few games each season etc. 

The Boks being in the revamped 6 Nations will become the premier competition in world rugby. Remember oaks boodle in the bank is the bottom line and there is boodle aplenty up north.

Refs should be better as they don't have a get the Jarpie culture I would think?

Travel is better regarding time zones and distance.

Anyhow its worth a shot.


Ex Rugby Mag:


The prospect of the Boks moving away from an antagonistic Sanzaar alliance and into an expanded Six Nations would be an undeniably appealing prospect, writes CRAIG LEWIS.

Last week, the strained relationship of the Sanzaar ‘partnership’ once again came starkly into the spotlight as Australia and New Zealand engaged in a bout of bickering.

Instead of the third Bledisloe Cup Test going ahead as planned, an off-field blame game took place as Australia launched a scathing attack on their Trans-Tasman opponents for unilaterally withdrawing from the Rugby Championship until further notice.

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For SA Rugby and Argentina, who were preparing for battle in this past Saturday’s second Test, it felt a bit like that awkward moment when you find yourself caught in the middle of a family squabble that gets out of hand.

Last year, New Zealand Rugby already proved that its priorities had changed after abruptly announcing it was done with Super Rugby as we know it.

It meant SA Rugby expedited plans to head into northern-hemisphere action, and the newly devised United Rugby Championship was ultimately born as a result. (Yes it as NZ that precipitated all this it appears)

Ironically, reports have also just surfaced to suggest a new Super Rugby format has been agreed upon, with the New Zealand and Australia teams, along with Moana Pasifika and the Fijian Drua, set to engage in 14 round-robin fixtures before a possible straight knockout format featuring the top-eight teams.

If such a format is signed off, with a 12-team tournament rewarding eight teams with a playoff spot, it would be difficult to imagine too many onlookers jumping around with excitement.

In so many ways, the United Rugby Championship is a better fit for South African teams, and if it provides the expected pathway to elite European competition, I’d imagine SA Rugby will one day look back and wonder why they hadn’t made the move a whole lot sooner.

The Sanzaar relationship has become incredibly strained in a world that has fundamentally changed over the past 18 months, and in a time when governing bodies have had to put loyalties aside in order to safeguard their future and financial security.

Towards the end of last year, speculation of South Africa’s possible move to join the Six Nations tournament seemed end when Sanzaar revealed a 10-year strategic plan and reiterated the four-nation alliance would remain intact until 2030.

But as New Zealand Rugby demonstrated last year when ripping up the Super Rugby script, and again in withdrawing from the Rugby Championship last week, sometimes the best-laid plans can still be exposed to loopholes.

Whatever the case may be, it’s impossible not to wonder whether the strained Sanzaar matrimony might eventually be pushed to a breaking point that results in a premature divorce.

It happened to Super Rugby, after all, and SA Rugby quickly found a happy home elsewhere.

A stable 10-year period of Rugby Championship and Sanzaar unity just seems so unlikely at present, and there have still been plenty of rumours about an exit plan including a route for South Africa to the Six Nations – possibly after the 2023 World Cup.

Rugby nirvana would surely include playing in the Six Nations, while also possibly being able to still set up mid-year series with the All Blacks. 

All the signs suggest SA Rugby’s future lies in the northern hemisphere, and it increasingly just feels like the sooner the better it would be for the Springboks to find an international foothold there.




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becsPro4,378 posts
25 Aug 2021, 14:46
#2
25 Aug 2021, 14:46#2

No way ! 

sharkbok
sharkbokCaptain23,232 posts
25 Aug 2021, 14:51
#3
25 Aug 2021, 14:51#3
It would then be the 7 Nations. The Boks could still play in the 4 Nations. Imagine winning both, the 10 Nations Double Champs. 
BE
Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
25 Aug 2021, 14:51
#4
25 Aug 2021, 14:51#4

Yes unfortunately it would mean poor England would seldom win the new comp but that's how it goes Becs.

Yes the revamped 6 nations would be the showpiece of rugby. NH sides would have to lift their levels to compete with the Mighty Boks and that would be good for them.

When the wee abs toured north they would face stronger teams ands accumulate the losses! 

Hahahahahahhahahahahaha

BE
Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
25 Aug 2021, 14:54
#5
25 Aug 2021, 14:54#5

Envious Aussies and Kiwis would be glued to their TV watching the premier rugby competition, tired of their own boring snoozefest .

If only we hadn't tried to crook out those Saffer sides they would still be part of our comps! Sob Sob!

BE
Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
25 Aug 2021, 14:55
#6
25 Aug 2021, 14:55#6

Ou redrooi will of course object as seeing his Welsh side getting walloped by the Mighty Boks on a regular basis would be so upsetting!

BE
becsPro4,378 posts
25 Aug 2021, 15:25
#7
25 Aug 2021, 15:25#7

It’s a stupid idea. 

We have enough boring matches already without your lot joining in ! 

MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
25 Aug 2021, 20:46
#8
25 Aug 2021, 20:46#8

I agree….it’s dumb. Well said on the boring games becs.

SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
25 Aug 2021, 21:11
#9
25 Aug 2021, 21:11#9
I’d rather the Boks have proper competition in the AB’s and Oz than average NH sides
BE
Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
25 Aug 2021, 21:40
#10
25 Aug 2021, 21:40#10

Think of the Boodle oaks, the boodle. Nice big fat pounds Pounds to pay our players and keep the best playing for SA teams.

Right now one pound = 20.593

Now please oaks let that sink in for a moment.  

Besides Oz is no better than England, Ireland or Wales in fact rugby is struggling there. That weird nz Goth woman Raylene almost finished the Aussies off!

 We could still hammer the wee abs once a year. Apart from the wee abs who else would we miss. 

Strategically its the right move. The only thing I am not clear about is the question of seasons. But we will know the answer to that soon enough.

Beeno the thought leader miles ahead of some oaks here Hahahahahhahahahahaha

The fact is we have never had a fair deal financially nor from the refs. Travel has also been a big problem. A change is as good as a holiday. 

We could soon have the wee abs begging us to return and promising to scrap the "get the Jarpie campaign". At which point we consider our options. Its all about the art of the deal oaks. Then we put the financial squeeze on the wee abs and show them who is boss! Hahahahahahahahaha 

Of course we let it be know to the 6 nations group that nz and oz are begging us to return and so on oaks.

Sigh, I have to explain everything to the plodders here!



SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
25 Aug 2021, 21:45
#11
25 Aug 2021, 21:45#11
One positive is that I could go watch the games live - so I would not be too upset if it happened
BE
becsPro4,378 posts
25 Aug 2021, 21:50
#12
25 Aug 2021, 21:50#12

Yeah, Saffex and I would be seen brawling in the stands 

BE
Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
25 Aug 2021, 21:56
#13
25 Aug 2021, 21:56#13

Becs isn't it time you replaced your bent and battered brolly? At least remove the blood stains Becs!

BE
becsPro4,378 posts
25 Aug 2021, 21:57
#14
25 Aug 2021, 21:57#14

I use my walking stick, Beeno ! 

AU
AugenöffnerPro6,974 posts
26 Aug 2021, 08:20
#15
26 Aug 2021, 08:20#15

I bet you beat Unteromlett up. A little rope a dope for two minutes and he is gased. 

AU
AugenöffnerPro6,974 posts
07 Sept 2021, 11:17
#17
07 Sept 2021, 11:17#17

At the moment we are unpopular, which has boosted New Zealand's stock - they never were very popular in Wallabong. 

TH
TheTraditionalistPro4,003 posts
07 Sept 2021, 12:49
#18
07 Sept 2021, 12:49#18

More globalistic schemes at work, brought by the same who claim they oppose globalization when in fact they only oppose globalization when not done theirs ways.


Dropping an African nation in the midst of a european competition ahead of other european nations that have been waiting for long in the antichamber of European rugby is globalization at its best.

Again, most players can speak no african language. Applying to a right of repatriation to the Netherlands (Afrikaneer is dutch spoken by people who read too much the bible) and from the Netherlands rugby, apply to a place in the 6 nations.

Still a globalistic scheme but at least one that maintains the six nations as a european competition.

DB
DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
07 Sept 2021, 13:02
#19
07 Sept 2021, 13:02#19

"  Applying to a right of repatriation to the Netherlands (Afrikaneer is dutch spoken by people who read too much the bible) and from the Netherlands rugby, apply to a place in the 6 nations."


WI TAF??? Are you an AI bot, programmed to p!ss people off or does it come naturally? You feigning ignorance to troll or are you just deliberately ignorant...you can read after all. 

TH
TheTraditionalistPro4,003 posts
07 Sept 2021, 13:26
#20
07 Sept 2021, 13:26#20

It came after reading another support to a globalistic scheme.

An african nation has no place in a European competition.

As to the rest, considering that most players fail to speak an african language, meaning they can not fit in an african internation team supposed to represent an african nation, considering that afrikanner is a declination of dutch, meaning that afrikaneer speaking players will fit better in the Netherlands team than they do in the South Africa team, considering that the Netherlands rugby has improved its efforts, the scheme, while still being globalistic will remove having a non european team in a european competition.

DB
DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
07 Sept 2021, 13:48
#21
07 Sept 2021, 13:48#21

It's Afrikaner and the Afrikaans language and it is more than just a declination of Dutch...and the Afrikaans players fit in perfectly well in the South African team, much better than they would fit into any Dutch team. We are as much Africans than our Nguni brothers...and the Koi San people, the actual first South Africans, all speak exclusively Afrikaans and  English to a much lesser extent...we are African, where we play rugby has got nothing to do with where we come from...and it's not "Globalist" if youre allowed to keep your unique identity. 

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becsPro4,378 posts
07 Sept 2021, 14:40
#22
07 Sept 2021, 14:40#22

The competition would lose its unique identity if you joined….

DB
DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
07 Sept 2021, 14:45
#23
07 Sept 2021, 14:45#23

I tend to agree Becs...I think a place for something slightly different can be found without replacing the 6N. 7 Nations is too big and its lopsided...number of teams, not the quality....quality is already lopsided. 

BE
becsPro4,378 posts
07 Sept 2021, 14:47
#24
07 Sept 2021, 14:47#24

Honestly, I think it’s the wrong place for you to play. 

AU
AugenöffnerPro6,974 posts
07 Sept 2021, 17:30
#25
07 Sept 2021, 17:30#25

In terms of quality, Josè has the Boks unfit for any competition. 

DB
DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
07 Sept 2021, 18:08
#26
07 Sept 2021, 18:08#26

"In terms of quality, Josè has the Boks unfit for any competition. "

Indeed, we totally got blown away in the previous couple of competitions we played in!...oh, wait...

AU
AugenöffnerPro6,974 posts
07 Sept 2021, 18:44
#27
07 Sept 2021, 18:44#27

Stone cold last for production. Biased reffing and wonky kicks nobody seems to be able to catch. What a great advertisement for the game of rugby. So poor, I could barely stomach analysing those games. 

TH
TheTraditionalistPro4,003 posts
07 Sept 2021, 19:37
#28
07 Sept 2021, 19:37#28

It's Afrikaner and the Afrikaans language and it is more than just a declination of Dutch...and the Afrikaans players fit in perfectly well in the South African team, much better than they would fit into any Dutch team.

Obviously not. Any afrikaner player would be immediately understood by dutsch players whereas if the few other SA players start to speak Xhosa or Zulu, they can not comprehend.

Denial has a long life to live.


..and the Koi San people, the actual first South Africans, all speak exclusively Afrikaans and  English to a much lesser extent...we are African, where we play rugby has got nothing to do with where we come from...and it's not "Globalist" if youre allowed to keep your unique identity.


How people manage to be so empty. It is puzzling.

By all means, Afrikaner is not the ancestral language of Koi San. Them speaking Afrikaner means their original african cultural language was erased. The erasure of it is the result of globalization.

Claiming to preserve unique identities while admitting outright the erasure of unique identities.

How fitting to a globalistic mindset.

DB
DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
07 Sept 2021, 19:53
#29
07 Sept 2021, 19:53#29

No it doesn't, you don't have the foggiest....stop trolling, maybe it will put a stop to your own bigotry...hate is always wrong, no matter the reason for it. Languages and traditions died out long before globalism...it's evolution, sometimes for the better, sometimes for worse, but ever evolving...South Africa has it's problems, thanks to intolerant bigots like you, luckily there are enough sensible people to make things work despite negative arseholes like you. You don't belong on a rugby forum, your whole presence is anti-rugby. You are a miserable failure, because you chose a goal bound for failure...rugby in South Africa is only getting stronger, despite all you and your ilk's negative BS...may you suffering never end!

AU
AugenöffnerPro6,974 posts
07 Sept 2021, 20:11
#30
07 Sept 2021, 20:11#30

Never ask or tell a troll to stop trolling...


TH
TheTraditionalistPro4,003 posts
07 Sept 2021, 20:40
#31
07 Sept 2021, 20:40#31

Trolling. As if the claim of a quota policy existence relied on something...

Many types of people. Quoting two:

One, people who think there has been a quota policy going on in SA rugby, despite simple arithmetics evidences on the non existence of a quota policy. They also think that SA rugby has a future.


Another, people who failed to see a quota policy in SA rugby after running numbers. They have also understood the time for SA rugby is over.

SA rugby has always been the sick man of rugby union. It cant be cured. Euthanasia is a merciful solution.

Terminate rugby in SA.



TH
TheTraditionalistPro4,003 posts
07 Sept 2021, 20:53
#32
07 Sept 2021, 20:53#32

It never misses. Failure to apply to oneself.

Languages and traditions die out. But this must not apply to Afrikaner nor SA rugby. How people manage to be so empty, it is puzzling. Words, no meaning. Only nothingness.

SA tugby has run its course. It is over. Call it evolution or whatever....

AH, yes, hate is neither correct or incorrect. Hate like love like fear like compassion and more are human feelings. Feelings that make human beings what they are.

Just as there are rightful causes to love somebody, there are rightful causes to hate people.

A father who rapes his daughter out of love has no correct reasons to love his daughter and provides her daughter with no correct reasons to be loved.

The daughter though has proper reasons to hate her father. She may not hate him but in the case she does, people who respect human kind and the nature of human beings do not provide her with empty pompous lack of lecture about how hate is always wrong.

Hate is nothing without its causes, only the causes are rightful or wrongful.

Indeed, this kind of obvious simpleness is not favoured in SA, considering the burden of the past.

Better to try to cripple people's humanity by forbiding them from hate even when the cause for them hating is rightful.

AU
AugenöffnerPro6,974 posts
07 Sept 2021, 21:07
#33
07 Sept 2021, 21:07#33

Just one question Herr Albie, do you wear that pink thong when adopting all of your aliases or only when you are Linda? 

DB
DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
07 Sept 2021, 21:21
#34
07 Sept 2021, 21:21#34

"Languages and traditions die out. But this must not apply to Afrikaner nor SA rugby. How people manage to be so empty, it is puzzling. Words, no meaning. Only nothingness."

Accepting something that happened in the past is one thing, wishing and working towards the demise of others quite another. Hate consumes the hater, but does nothing to the person being hated. Go on, hate away...if it was up to the haters, the Afrikaner would have disappeared long ago...we will be here a wile still...glad our presence on this earth pisses you of so much...makes it even more worthwhile to hang on a bit longer.

TH
TheTraditionalistPro4,003 posts
08 Sept 2021, 13:35
#35
08 Sept 2021, 13:35#35

Dismissal of responsibility, lack of accountability... How expected.

Everything is destined to belong to the past. Sooner than later, the termination of SA rugby is going to be in the past.

As to the extended presence, it is a heavy mistake and as often, a demonstration of inconsistency.

The call to terminate is considered the honourable action to deal with the SA rugby situation. Yet on the same time, it is admitted that SA rugby produces guns for hire. There is no honour in SA rugby. Only greed for money.

The pattern is not seen yet? Asking a solution that is known not to be accessible to people.

SA rugby can not terminate themselves. They lack the virtue for it. They will try to prolong as much as possible their agony.

Now the sight of death throes is differently enjoyed by people, people might revile the sight as they might enjoy it.

Up to the point they could consider a swift death spoils their enjoyment. On the contrary, they would prefer to see the dying to struggle up to the end, to keep up the suffering act.

SA rugby is a rugby that has no roots. It has no home. It belongs neither to the South nor the North.

Its end is near. It may be enjoyed as it goes.
DB
DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
08 Sept 2021, 18:27
#36
08 Sept 2021, 18:27#36

Waffle, waffle, BS....let the hate be with you...glad it burns like the stupid. Green monster needs constant feeding.

TH
TheTraditionalistPro4,003 posts
08 Sept 2021, 19:45
#37
08 Sept 2021, 19:45#37

The green eyed monster is jealousy.

DB
DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
08 Sept 2021, 20:26
#38
08 Sept 2021, 20:26#38

Yes, also goes by the name of Envy...at the root of the hate, you know, that other burning inside of you.

QS
Queensland SupporterClub Pro115 posts
09 Sept 2021, 09:44
#39
09 Sept 2021, 09:44#39

And what happens if the Springboks start losing on a regular basis in the 6 Nations

Will they start looking for a third option?

They don't have a good record in the UK (They have a poor record in Australia and NZ as well).     

AU
AugenöffnerPro6,974 posts
09 Sept 2021, 11:42
#40
09 Sept 2021, 11:42#40

Sadly, the Bok record against the NH sides the past few years has been poor. In some cases, such as Ireland, we haven't had any edge over them for nearly twenty years. Playing up north won't be as easy as they think. But this is typical arrogant Saffer behaviour. Like the buildup to the Japan test in 2015, when I predicted that Japan would be a tough opponent. Saffers carry little knowledge about the game, and lack basic understanding of Bok rugby. I correct these glaring errors every time I visit this site. Then when things go wrong, they want to bash every button until the problem goes away, like a panicking chimpanzee . 

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