Six Nations

It seems that the Six Nations will be ring fenced from 2026 so this puts paid to any chance of SA joining the competition. 

It’s a different competition. 

so this puts paid to any chance of SA joining the competition.

No.

The recent leaks only confirm that people in the North are concerned by the health of SA rugby and are  looking at ways to bail out SA rugby.

It is now a classical strategy.

People who are obsessed with saving SA rugby came up with the idea that SA rugby could be saved by joining the six nations.

Obviously, there was opposition to the proposition.

As by a classical move, people who want to save SA rugby could not take the opposition as a no and therefore divided the opposition by providing an alternative.

SA rugby joining the 6Ns has its drawbacks.

The global competition has its drawbacks.

The opposition is now divided between people who might support one or the other.

It can not be said that the 6Ns is saved as it depends of the balance of power between the now divided opposition.

Unless people in the North get their act in order and accept the collapse of SA, the six nations will be endangered.

The new offer of a global competition (designed to bring revenues to SA rugby) has huge drawbacks.

People will oppose it as well. Then the showdown and bitterness will ensue.

As long as people in the North are more concerned by the fate of SA rugby than they are by their own unions, that faction will keep endangering any northern rugby institutions as they deem them as a worthy sacrifice to save SA rugby.

Nothing is definitive at the moment.

Classical strategy: people can not take no as an answer (SA rugby must be saved at all costs) so they divide the opposition by making various offers. The opposition gets divided along various lines and it is all about screwing each other.

There is no room for SA rugby in the North: any attempt to bail them out of their misery will be performed at the expenses of Northern interests.

The six nations might go. It might not go then something else will have to go.

Seems like a bit of a chicken run by the 6 Nations. It’s rather unusual for club rugby to be played with a given nation while excluding it from internationals. Grand slam goodbye?

But even the NH club rugby is doing little for us….many of our players opt for Japan. The old Super 12 was the most entertaining and the best school for SA rugby. 

Failing that I’d far rather play the RC against WC winning nations than the second tier 6 Nations, despite all the hype about it being the best rugby tournament. It can’t be….for the last 20 years none of the participants have won a WC.

Nothing to do with a chicken run, more to do with tradition and a 7 team tournament is messy with by weeks and its more difficult, expensive and probably less safe for fans travel to South Africa.

The rugby championship might have stronger teams, though Australia seem pretty average a few years now but it gets pretty boring with New Zealand being clearly the strongest team and winning it most years. Its a bit like F1 when one team becomes too dominate.

’Less safe’ for fans to travel to South Africa…..shame who would want to be on Clifton Beach when you could be in Bunclody.

They’re just calling it a North vs South Grand Final at the moment. Don’t know if they’ll decide on something else though ! 

I've no idea why South African's keep bringing it up.

Money. SA rugby have nobody to play in theirs surroundings as they failed to develop rugby in Africa as they were mandated.

Failing that I’d far rather play the RC against WC winning nations than the second tier 6 Nations, despite all the hype about it being the best rugby tournament. It can’t be….for the last 20 years none of the participants have won a WC.

There would be a lot to tell from a sport perspective. Except it is about  moolah, SA rugby have nothing support from the local population, they are still that alien entity that is connected to and keep promoting a dreaded past.

People in the North are scared about the incoming collapse and are trying to throw life lines.

Resistance exists though.

We must never join the 6N the RC is far better for us.

If by better you mean we have a better chance of winning it, then yes. All time bad opposition and a Puma side that cannot find consistency are lesser adversaries than anything the 6Ns has to offer. 

Seems like a bit of a chicken run by the 6 Nations.

Unfortunately not. An inclusion of SA rugby will mean victories by SA rugby as the inclusion must be justified, even if it means scenarios like 1995 and the whistles going with them.

For the rest, the sane fear that must be when gazing at the nest of troubles that SA rugby are is probably not felt by all those in the North who made a mission of bailing out SA rugby.

Whatever prevents SA rugby from being included does not come from fear. Way too many people in charge used to operating with no accountability.

Chill M, the dick is trolling...

and a 7 team tournament is messy with by weeks

While correct, it can not be received by people who have made their mission to bail out SA rugby at the expense of the North.

They agree with the assessment and their solution is an 8 nations that would include GE.

If a 7Ns was to be, it would be short lived and quickly morphed into an 8 nations.

With IT picking up, it is not possible to kick them out to keep the 6Ns and its even week schedule. It was alluded to but rejected.

8Ns then.

Chill M, the dick is trolling...

Usually, people fail to define what they mean by trolling. Pointless notion.

Do you ever, I mean Fucking Ever, back up your Wild Assumptions with Concrete evidence??

That is asking for something that cannot be delivered.

As a reminder, an evidence is an element brought to scrutiny that carry over consequences.

Unless the element is validated by the said consequences, there is no evidence.

Example: suspicion of murder.

Elements: video footage, DNA, finger prints on the weapon, testimonies, confession of the alleged killer etc

Unless the person is convicted with murder, none of them constitutes an evidence.

It works in the other way.

Element: the alleged killer is believed to be on location when the murder happened.

If convicted, the element is made an evidence.

Evidences do not exist by themselves and depend on their validation.

Free of charges.

It may be because people are got used to dealing with quota people and their cancellation and therefore fail to accept the obvious.

Nevertheless, the situation is the following:

Most people in charge in the North are concerned with SA rugby situation, a rugby on the verge of collapsing.

People may think that saving SA rugby is the mission to carry out at all costs, including at the expense of the Northern rugbys' best interests.

People may think that actions must be taken to help SA rugby, it may not be at the expense of themselves as they represent themselves.

There is no unamity, no consensus over what must be done for SA rugby. There is a loose feeling that that the North must help SA rugby. That is all.

The negotiation or more exactly the dispute as the help to SA rugby is expressed at the costs of certain Northern best interests is certainly not like what could happen in SA when quota people are involved.

Feathers are ruffled and retaliation may ensue.

Skipping for the moment the long list of arguments to refuse to help SA rugby to focus on the list to bring them in.

What argument: none. Apart from the loose feeling that something must be done to help SA rugby, there is nothing.

SA rugby add no value, only liabilities.

Therefore, if SA rugby were to join an 8Ns, their victory must be ensured in order to justify their inclusion.

As they bring nothing to the table, at least, they must be winners of the competition.

The failure to accept that point probably comes from the habit of dealing with quota people and therefore non people whose best interests can be dismissed at will.

That is not the situation: there are various sides, sides that are powerful enough to retaliate when their best interests are compromized.

The inclusion of SA rugby would compromize interests.

SA rugby inclusion would bring nothing to the North and would express as liabilities.

One of the many arguments against inclusion.

SA rugby bring nothing but liabilities.

SA rugby offer nothing but violence and brutality.

While there is demand for that kind of content in the North, its expression may be costy.

At the moment, there is a growing movement by players who suffered concussions and who are seeking compensation, threatening legal action.

November tour, the game against FR was violent and brutal, with an impressive number of concussions.

This could happen year in, year out during an 8Ns.

Yeah, more concussions, more law suits pending, glory, glory. That is delusional.

Sadism is a thing and viewers may enjoy this kind of show. Nevertheless, when the bill is shown, opinions differ.

SA rugby bring nothing to the table that could benefit the North.

What a load of rubbish.

Come now, that’s a little harsh.

Failing that I’d far rather play the RC against WC winning nations than the second tier 6 Nations, despite all the hype about it being the best rugby tournament. It can’t be….for the last 20 years none of the participants have won a WC.

EN had.

It does not matter though as competition can not be summed up to the level of involved parties.

The competition terms matter as least as much as the involved parties and in rugby, in fact more.

Unless the proper terms of competition are provided, parties can not compete properly.

At the moment, the 6 Ns terms provide for a compact competition with little room for calculation. No matter the perception of the gap between the North and the South.

As to WCs, rugby is not football. Rugby is a confidential sport that is played by commonwealth nations plus a few permanent guests. And indeed with gaps between involved members.

The South will keep winning WCs as they have little apart from that. A South that would start no longer winning WCs will lead to a damaging shift in balance.

Rugby is not football. Football is characterized by a whole lot of major players that lose a WC without disturbance, a flock of middle and low ranked nations to cushion and dampen.

If ever the North were to win WCs on a regular basis, the imbalance would be such it could endanger South rugbys.

"What a load of rubbish."

You see, we can agree on some issues....

What a load of rubbish.

What a bland statement.

Part of the observations do not require approval.

An 8Ns tournament solves the issue of the odd week brought by a 7Ns. The whole question is to know whether it has been considered as a possible evolution to the 6 Ns. Various sources hint at it.

Now if the bit about evidences could be shown as load of rubbish, that would come as a relief. That would be appreciated.

Yet people these days are known to have nothing in store, they claim to have some  and when asked to show their hand are coerced to play the indifferent face.

Whoosh!!!