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Slow witted journalist rethinks support for matfiled

Started by Beeno114 REPLIES236 VIEWS· 27 Feb 2015, 12:57
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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
27 Feb 2015, 12:57
#1
27 Feb 2015, 12:57#1

Ex Supersport


On several occasions last season I wrote positively about Springbok coach Heyneke Meyer’s decision to back Victor Matfield’s comeback by selecting him into the national squad (The egg has landed), but the end of year tour and the first few weeks of Super Rugby have conspired to make me rethink his candidacy for a starting role at the World Cup. (LEts hope the oaks realsies victor must eb dropped alltogether!!!!!!!!!!!!!)

Matfield was and is an amazing sportsman who deserves immense credit for what he has done to get not only back onto the rugby field but back into the Springbok team.(Nope Meyer blundered and victor desreves no credit whatsoever!!)

For someone pushing 40 and who spent two years away from the field during which time he did enough mountain biking for his body to be redesigned to the specifications of an endurance athlete, the success of his comeback ranks as freaky.(that anybody could call ita success is very FREAKY!!)

It is not his membership of a wider squad going to the World Cup that should be of concern, for on the levels of mentorship and providing extra lineout tactical expertise, Matfield can make a contribution in England later this year.(As a coach!!!!!!!!)

He does remain one of the finest lineout technicians in the game, and there is little you can fault Matfield for when it comes to work rate or energy REALLY!!). So there shouldn’t be a problem if he has to come on late in a game as a replacement, or play in an emergency.

It was noticeable during the Bok training camp in Stellenbosch last October how Matfield led from the front when it came to the fitness drills.

During the last end of year tour, however, it started to become apparent that there could be trouble brewing for the Boks if Meyer is seriously considering Matfield to be his first choice No 5.

During the games in Ireland, England, Italy and Wales it was debatable that Matfield was making the forceful physical impact outside of the lineouts that a member of the tight five should be expected to against the grinding eight man effort you encounter from northern hemisphere packs.(HE NEVER EVER HAS!!)

In a country where there isn’t a pipeline of talent coming through, maybe it would be excusable for the national coach to back Matfield as the first choice. But this is not a country where a coach who knows his oats and knows how to work with and develop talent should feel he is so short of raw material that he needs to take a step back into the past when making his selections.

And this feeling has started to gain momentum during Super Rugby, where both Ruan Botha and Pieter-Steph du Toit have started to cut formidable presences for their teams.

Du Toit is coming back from a long injury-enforced absence so it would be understandable if he made a slow start, yet he has already shown why he has been given such a high rap.

Botha is a huge digit who is impressive in the lineouts and contributes in a powerful, forceful way in the tight loose exchanges. His emergence at the Stormers has helped offset the loss at the start of 2014 of Andries Bekker, who is currently playing in Japan. Provided he stays fit, he should have shown himself to be of international class by the end of Super Rugby.

Now the supporters of Matfield and of Meyer’s decision are probably quite justifiably getting ready to fire off emails to remind me that both Botha and Du Toit were injured for significant periods of last year.(wILLEMSE, FLIP LOOD ETC)

But I didn’t have a problem with Meyer selecting Matfield when they were out. It was worth a try, and I sensed his initial plan was to bring Matfield in as a mentor and as a lineout coach, and not as someone he saw as a first choice No 5 option for the World Cup.(gAVIN IS TRYING TO WRIGGLE OUT OF HIS mATFLED SUPPORT - ITS OF COURSE VERY EMBARRASSING)

If that is still the plan, then good, for it is at the possibility that there has been a change in plan that my concern is directed.

For given that the contribution of the back five can be as important to a successful scrumming strategy as that of the front three, it may not be a coincidence that the Bok scrum battled last year when Matfield was present but not the season before that.(MAY NOT BE A COINCIDENCE - HAHAHAHAHHAHA)

The Bulls scrum is also struggling, and that does nothing to dispel the nagging feeling that two years of mountain biking isn’t good preparation for a forceful contribution in a scrum battle.

Regarding the Du Toit/Botha injuries, it is also the principle that matters, and not the individual cases. This is not Romania, it is South Africa, and there should be enough talent to nurture and bring through.

Failing that, and seeing Meyer is never reluctant to choose players from overseas, maybe we should be asking why Bekker hasn’t been re-engaged from Japan.

Bekker has reportedly been given a new lease of life now that he is playing in a league and a team where he is not constantly aggravating his gammy back by being driven into the ground each week.

He was rated second best No 5 lock in the world when he was serving his long apprenticeship behind Matfield and the reasons for bringing him back should be nearly as compelling as those for bringing back Fourie du Preez.(hE WASMILES BETTER TAHN MATFILED EVER WAS)

Well I hope Dr Moz will realise the game is up re matfield  - the biggest disaster ever to hit Bok rugby.


CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
27 Feb 2015, 14:08
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27 Feb 2015, 14:08#2
Beeno 
Mozart will never accept that Matfield is physically-deficient and consequently poor in Tight 5 play.   He realizes now that Matfield is not producing the goods in line out play that he used to produce - now he is suddenly agog about the number of tackles Matfield makes.   Never mind the quality of the tackles - that does not count in his books - it is the fact that Matfield does make tackles that counts with him.   
At this stage we have a Tight 4 combination when Matfield plays - and a four member loose forward combination - except that Matfield is no good in ball protection and recovery and merely is in Mozart's words a "process  tackler".    He uses that term to downplay the performances of players like Coetzee and Labuschagne - yet you will never see him using that term in the case of Matfield.
More and more people are coming forward with serious reservations about Matfield - but he is an ass creeper and very deep up - so one never knows whether Meyer will act constructively and get rid of the Matfield Handicap.
  
CL
CleanCutPro9,905 posts
27 Feb 2015, 14:42
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27 Feb 2015, 14:42#3
 
Whether he wants to accept Matfield's deficiencies or not doesn't change the fact that Victor's no longer test material.

Mozart's only criteria for a Bok team is age ... the older the better ... it's all designed to make him feel better about himself ... being an elderly fella and all ...

Meyer on the other hand counts caps first before making his selection ...

Both are delusional fools.

No way I'd take either seriously ...


 
CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
27 Feb 2015, 15:10
#4
27 Feb 2015, 15:10#4
 CC
I am older than Mozart,  but has not yet been gripped by the fear of change noticeable in some elderly people - some older people think that they are happy in familiar environment.   Any change presents problems for them and they will find all kinds of reasons to keep the present scenario in place.
In the case of Mozart - he constantly hark back to the time before and immediately after the 2007 WC and that makes his present player evaluation so flawed.   He would go back years to find fault with a younger player - but bugger-ups made by the older will never be mentioned.
So in essence we must be sympathetic about the way Mozart thinks - but when it comes to Meyer, there can never be an excuse for his donkey stupidity.        
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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
27 Feb 2015, 17:48
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27 Feb 2015, 17:48#5
 Every minute that VM plays in green and gold robs a young 5 of valuable experience. He should be backup on the bench at best, and I'm seriously doubting that that's prudent as well. I hope Vermeulen stays fit and continues to lead the Stormers well. If not, I see Victor at the helm for the RVC. That would be a disaster of note.
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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
28 Feb 2015, 12:36
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28 Feb 2015, 12:36#6
Will Meyer have the strength of character to make the changes is the question.
JW
Just_winCaptain18,570 posts
28 Feb 2015, 12:51
#7
28 Feb 2015, 12:51#7
Victor (who puts the Vic in Victory) is just warming up. An old timer like him plays himself into shape. My recommendation is to be patient with him I am sure Mozart would agree.
CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
28 Feb 2015, 13:01
#8
28 Feb 2015, 13:01#8
JW
The old-timers do not play themselves into shape - their form gets worse as the matches proceeds.   We have the Matfield problem -  New Zealand has the McCaw problem.  The latter was really sub-standard in the Chiefs game.   A retirement village for both will solve a lot of problems fo r their team.  
JW
Just_winCaptain18,570 posts
28 Feb 2015, 13:09
#9
28 Feb 2015, 13:09#9
 CleverMike: my comment about Matfield was tongue in cheek but in the  case McCaw last year he started slow but ended up with one of the highest tackle counts in Super rugby.
How are you doing in fantasy rugby?
CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
28 Feb 2015, 13:53
#10
28 Feb 2015, 13:53#10
 At the moment I think 50:50.   I thus far has had 6 players playing with 228  points scored.   What will happen in my case will be largely determined what happens in the two games still to be played.   
Sasue with 414 points is leading us all by a distance - he already has 414 points, but with only two players to play.  With later adjustments he is likely to score 500 plus points this round - but one never knows at this early stage what is going to happen.   
My opponent this week is 3ku1 - he has 260 points with 6 players to play - so I am at this stage unsure how that would end up.
It looks to me like quite a number of members will get over 400 points this week - so lets hold thumbs for all of them.       
JW
Just_winCaptain18,570 posts
28 Feb 2015, 14:35
#11
28 Feb 2015, 14:35#11
 I have  314 with 4 yet to play including my captain so I could make 400. If kriel has a big day at captain I should do ok. I think we are a competitive league and Black Power has yet to really emerge, he always does.
MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
28 Feb 2015, 22:19
#12
28 Feb 2015, 22:19#12
Classic. Perhaps he wants to rethink his rethink. I told you guys Victor is pacing himself, today he was the dominant tight forward on the field. 

Perhaps that crow would be better with a little drink.....waaaaaaahahaha.
CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
01 Mar 2015, 01:41
#13
01 Mar 2015, 01:41#13
Mozart
Absolute balls - Matfield was the most ineffective Tight forward on the field.  That is supported by the fact that he during the whole match only called for two line outs to go to him.   He took one line out ball on opposition throw as well, but also lose one line out throw on own throw.  That made him the worst line out jumper of all the locks today.
His only noteworthy show was when he grabbed the jersey of Bismarck from the wrong side of the ruck and got slapped really hard for that one.   That was his most obvious contribution to the match anyway.   
One wonders why he always seems to end up on the grass when he tried to do anything in line outs?   The old bugger is physically too weak to be competitive.
What else made him in your book effective - the process tackles he made was largely ineffective and he did not make any ball carries of note - so what mad e him in your book so effective?         
MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
01 Mar 2015, 05:34
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01 Mar 2015, 05:34#14
Mike you miss so much....look at Steps try who secured the ball? Huh? In case you missed it the Bools forwards won the game.  
CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
01 Mar 2015, 08:09
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01 Mar 2015, 08:09#15
 How did he secure the ball - by having it past to him and getting tackled going to ground straight and unlike another time when it happened not losing the ball in the process?  
Mozart one incident does not make a match - you have to watch a whole match.  The fact that Matfield is poor in Tight 5 play has escaped you completely - or you refused to recognize it at all - that really makes your praise-singing ridiculous in the extreme.    
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